Chiropractor VS. Spa - Which do you work at and why?

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XrossKore.com in Oak Park, Michigan

52 months ago

Hello Kris,
What type of office are you in or looking to create? ie Chiro, stand alone practice, spa..... How many mt's are you looking to bring in? whats your marketing plan? Also will you offer your clients/patients? Thank you looking forward to assisting you. Mark

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sonia in Cabot, Arkansas

52 months ago

If I were you I would call Massage Advantage. You will gain a wealth of information in a short time from the owner. He is super easy to talk to and will be able to give you details that i'm not qualified to offer. good luck. Sonia

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sonia in Cabot, Arkansas

52 months ago

JayJ1964 in Encino, California said: That's what I was wondering, like why would a Chiropractic office do that if they aren't making a profit some way. But I do see alot of massage rooms for rent out of spas & chiropractors, so I just assumed that it was just a way for them to get some money off of their rent. I understand that if you are doing this that you can't bill insurance through the chiro, but do massage therapists bill their own, or do they typically not even bother with insurance companies because it's difficult to get payment from them, for massage I mean. (atleast that's what most of the post's sounded like) I would love to rent a place out of somewhere but just trying to figure out how people do it. Because just starting off in massage would be too difficult to just start up your own practice, so I thought renting a room out of a spa/clinic would be ta good way to start, all legally, own name, taxes, payments, etc. etc. Let me know what anyone thinks or comments. I've also asked that in the past, as far as having your own business name, but located in a clinic/another spa, don't see how you'd do that really.... unless your name is only used in business forms, taxes, cards etc, just not located anywhere on the outside of the building? lol

If I were you I would call Massage Advantage. You will gain a wealth of information in a short time from the owner. He is super easy to talk to and will be able to give you details that i'm not qualified to offer. good luck. Sonia

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aprild in Murfreesboro, Tennessee

52 months ago

I am having an interview with a Chiropractic office and would like to know some questions to ask. I know already its and independent contracting job and massages are booked by 1..1 1/2hr...so what would be a good price to start out at?

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Ankur in Edison, New Jersey

52 months ago

I am an independant contractor at a Chiro office and she is amazing! I get 75% which comes out to $45/hr and some tips. The best thing is that there is a steady stream of clientale and I am not overworked with deep tissue massages. I have also introduced some of the clientale to Reiki and chakra clearing and started to help them emotionally and physically. Do your research and don't be afraid to ask questions. If you are a good therapist and love what you do, take the initiative to ask for what you deserve instead of settling for $15/hr!

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JayJ1964 in Charlotte, North Carolina

51 months ago

Ankur in Edison, New Jersey said: I am an independant contractor at a Chiro office and she is amazing! I get 75% which comes out to $45/hr and some tips. The best thing is that there is a steady stream of clientale and I am not overworked with deep tissue massages. I have also introduced some of the clientale to Reiki and chakra clearing and started to help them emotionally and physically. Do your research and don't be afraid to ask questions. If you are a good therapist and love what you do, take the initiative to ask for what you deserve instead of settling for $15/hr!

Hi! If you're an independent contractor, you pay your own taxes? I thought when you're an IC & not an employee that you do your own billing legally & the office you're working in cant make money off of your services i.e. get a portion of your profits etc. Isn't that what alot of these forums are saying. I'm not starting anything, I'm strictly just asking to clear up the differences with certain job types. I thought when you're an employee is when they can give you a percentage & they pay your taxes etc. etc. Let me know, thanks for the info!

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Ankur in Edison, New Jersey

51 months ago

I get paid directly by the clients and my rent is 25% of each massage. I pay my own taxes as well.

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JayJ1964 in Charlotte, North Carolina

51 months ago

Ankur in Edison, New Jersey said: I get paid directly by the clients and my rent is 25% of each massage. I pay my own taxes as well.

Oh Okay, that sounds good. Do you guys accept insurance there? If you do & you do your own billing, is it hard dealing with the insurance companies & getting paid etc...

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Ankur in Edison, New Jersey

51 months ago

I don't accept insurance, but I do give them a receipt if they want to submit to their insurance company for reimbursement.

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Ankur in Edison, New Jersey

51 months ago

I don't accept insurance, but some of the clients take a receipt and submit to their insurance company for reimbursement

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Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas

51 months ago

Press Release from the desk of the CEO of Massage Advantage. Massage Advantage is beta testing a “new” program carved out for Therapist who suffer from the same discontent we read here. This is one of the most exciting programs ever rereleased to the independent therapist looking for assistance in building their massage business. In today’s ultra competitive massage market if you wanting help with Social Media, Marketing, Branding, along Professional Advice Massage Advantage might have your answers. Being your own boss can be one of the most lucrative and rewarding events your life, but also one of the most stressful and challenging. You will have the opportunity to learn from the best how to build your business, and your income. No more splitting your labor 60/40 with the house, simply more client leads, professional marketing designed to you improve your client base, easy to sell programs with the latest technology for tracking client sale, redemptions, and contact information. The majority of your business work is done by professionals for you. We are only accepting 10 Therapist as part of the beta testing program. If you’re interested in learning more please email coporate@massageadvantage.com.

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Tony in Beaverton, Oregon

51 months ago

Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas said: Press Release from the desk of the CEO of Massage Advantage. Massage Advantage is beta testing a “new” program carved out for Therapist who suffer from the same discontent we read here. This is one of the most exciting programs ever rereleased to the independent therapist looking for assistance in building their massage business. In today’s ultra competitive massage market if you wanting help with Social Media, Marketing, Branding, along Professional Advice Massage Advantage might have your answers. Being your own boss can be one of the most lucrative and rewarding events your life, but also one of the most stressful and challenging. You will have the opportunity to learn from the best how to build your business, and your income. No more splitting your labor 60/40 with the house, simply more client leads, professional marketing designed to you improve your client base, easy to sell programs with the latest technology for tracking client sale, redemptions, and contact information. The majority of your business work is done by professionals for you. We are only accepting 10 Therapist as part of the beta testing program. If you’re interested in learning more please email coporate@massageadvantage.com.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would a corporation whose job it is to maximize bottom line be so interested in helping other therapists be their own bosses? If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

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Day Dream Believer in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

51 months ago

Tony in Beaverton, Oregon said: That doesn't make any sense. Why would a corporation whose job it is to maximize bottom line be so interested in helping other therapists be their own bosses? If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

Very good points.

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Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas

51 months ago

Tony in Beaverton, Oregon said: That doesn't make any sense. Why would a corporation whose job it is to maximize bottom line be so interested in helping other therapists be their own bosses? If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

This is a very fair question and the answer is even simpler. Because Massage Advantage’s massages are front loaded. Other words clients purchase massages thru Massage Advantage and they can earn a small return from each massage provided to their clients. What’s the value to a therapist who is trying to establish a business who can work a pre built program with clients ready and waiting to receive what you offer? Most current/former ME employees all speak of the low pay, lack of benefits, and over loaded work schedules. Well guess what you will earn double to quadruple what you have been earning and still be your own boss. Everyone who has ever built a business understands the sizable expense and learning curve involved. In this case you have most of the work done for you and your out of pocket is next to nothing! Want to know more just send them and email corporate@massageadvantage.com

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Tony in Beaverton, Oregon

51 months ago

You didn't really answer the question, Amy. "A small return from each massage" does not maximize profits for a large corporation like Massage Advantage. You again focused on the advantages to the therapist. A small return would not even cover the franchise fees much less rent and other overhead.

This sets off all my SCAM alarms full blast.

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Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas

51 months ago

Tony in Beaverton, Oregon said: You didn't really answer the question, Amy. "A small return from each massage" does not maximize profits for a large corporation like Massage Advantage. You again focused on the advantages to the therapist. A small return would not even cover the franchise fees much less rent and other overhead.

This sets off all my SCAM alarms full blast.

Tony,

I believe you’re not understanding the Massage Advantage structure. They are NOT a franchise, although most likely you will see this program develop into one. But if and when that happens think about this, were not talking about a company that rolls into town and demands “ YOU MUST look like this, you MUST have this and that” those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is NOT the market Massage Advantage is going to fill. A franchise can cost as little as $1 all the way into millions, but this is in part based off the required time and cost to set up the franchise. This is also how they screen the average franchisee out. Why do you think most franchise owners are not MT’s? Cause most MT’s don’t have the resources to purchase a costly franchise. Think about this opportunity like you would the Starbucks kiosk you find at the mall or in a hotel lobby. They are not a full blown Starbucks, but rather a sublet support by brand and marketing from the parent company. Are they successful? Absolutely they are! Does it fill a void in the market, and do people invest in these smaller operations? Obviously! So do they have a place in the market? I bet you have even purchased from operations like these with great pleasure? Are these opportunities scams? Of course not. Massage Advantage has a plan and program in place to help thousands and thousands of MT’s meet there career goals. Also remember a lot of MT’s already have a place to practice their trade and simply need assistance in being competitive and profitable. Massage Advantage just filled the void! Please keep the

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StacyMay71 in Denver, Colorado

51 months ago

Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas said: Tony,

I believe you’re not understanding the Massage Advantage structure. They are NOT a franchise, although most likely you will see this program develop into one. But if and when that happens think about this, were not talking about a company that rolls into town and demands “ YOU MUST look like this, you MUST have this and that” those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is NOT the market Massage Advantage is going to fill. A franchise can cost as little as $1 all the way into millions, but this is in part based off the required time and cost to set up the franchise. This is also how they screen the average franchisee out. Why do you think most franchise owners are not MT’s? Cause most MT’s don’t have the resources to purchase a costly franchise. Think about this opportunity like you would the Starbucks kiosk you find at the mall or in a hotel lobby. They are not a full blown Starbucks, but rather a sublet support by brand and marketing from the parent company. Are they successful? Absolutely they are! Does it fill a void in the market, and do people invest in these smaller operations? Obviously! So do they have a place in the market? I bet you have even purchased from operations like these with great pleasure? Are these opportunities scams? Of course not. Massage Advantage has a plan and program in place to help thousands and thousands of MT’s meet there career goals. Also remember a lot of MT’s already have a place to practice their trade and simply need assistance in being competitive and profitable. Massage Advantage just filled the void! Please keep the

Thanks for the helpful insight. It’s about time someone comes up with a way to help. I think a lot of the negative comments toward helpful suggestions comes from Envy franchise owners looking to squash any ray of hope that Therapist can survive without them. They need us like rats in a cage to make their machines work, so if I can f

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MicBen in Little Rock, Arkansas

51 months ago

Amy Dunaway in Little Rock, Arkansas said: Want to know more just send them and email corporate@massageadvantage.com

The email address does not work.

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StacyMay71 in Denver, Colorado

51 months ago

MicBen in Little Rock, Arkansas said: The email address does not work.

I emailed them at Corporate@masssageadvantage.com and got a responce in 20 min.

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MA Scam in Saint Paul, Minnesota

50 months ago

Massage Advantage is a very huge scam. The sit there and tell you they are going to do all the marketing for you and work with social media. All they do is run GROUPONS and LIVING SOCIAL for their clinic locations. The only difference is THEY keep the money so instead of you getting paid for vouchers that aren't redeemed, they do!

If you want direct mailers, online marketing, etc. Guess who is responsible for that expense? You!

It is one of the biggest scams I have ever seen. Stay away.

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MA Scam in Saint Paul, Minnesota

50 months ago

MA Scam in Saint Paul, Minnesota said: Massage Advantage is a very huge scam. The sit there and tell you they are going to do all the marketing for you and work with social media. All they do is run GROUPONS and LIVING SOCIAL for their clinic locations. The only difference is THEY keep the money so instead of you getting paid for vouchers that aren't redeemed, they do!

If you want direct mailers, online marketing, etc. Guess who is responsible for that expense? You!

It is one of the biggest scams I have ever seen. Stay away.

Go ahead and google "massage advantage groupon" or "massage advantage living social" and see what comes up.

If you are looking for discount coupon shoppers to build your practice you can do that yourself by running a groupon or living social deal, don't pay someone else to do that for you.

Just looking out for the MT's who already have enough problems trying to run their businesses and don't need another scammer taking advantage of them.

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DCnMN in Maple Grove, Minnesota

50 months ago

I’m a DC in MN that uses Massage Advantage. If you think this is all they do you must be a FRAUD yourself. I tried and tried to get listed with Groupon and Living Social and they kept telling me I was on "the list". Well after almost a year I gave up. Within weeks of joining Massage Advantage both of my MT's and my office were filled with new clients and patients. They never told me they did all the marketing. As a matter of fact they design all the marketing materials and I do pay for them, but that’s the same with every other business I own. My wife who owns a franchise even is required to spend a percentage of her gross revenues on adverting and at least they allow me to set my own budget. They also do all the online marketing for me and I receive new clients every week from their online shopping cart. Since this is a program offered in clinic at MY expense I don't see your point in saying "your looking out for the MT's"? You must not be a DC or MT, just some loose cannon with a competitor who is most likely is a competator getting their teeth knocked in from a better program. Like a Envious Envy owner??

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DCnMN in Maple Grove, Minnesota

50 months ago

MA Scam in Saint Paul, Minnesota said: Go ahead and google "massage advantage groupon" or "massage advantage living social" and see what comes up.

If you are looking for discount coupon shoppers to build your practice you can do that yourself by running a groupon or living social deal, don't pay someone else to do that for you.

Just looking out for the MT's who already have enough problems trying to run their businesses and don't need another scammer taking advantage of them.

I’m a DC in MN that uses Massage Advantage. If you think this is all they do you must be a FRAUD yourself. I tried and tried to get listed with Groupon and Living Social and they kept telling me I was on "the list". Well after almost a year I gave up. Within weeks of joining Massage Advantage both of my MT's and my office were filled with new clients and patients. They never told me they did all the marketing. As a matter of fact they design all the marketing materials and I do pay for them, but that’s the same with every other business I own. My wife who owns a franchise even is required to spend a percentage of her gross revenues on adverting and at least they allow me to set my own budget. They also do all the online marketing for me and I receive new clients every week from their online shopping cart. Since this is a program offered in clinic at MY expense I don't see your point in saying "your looking out for the MT's"? You must not be a DC or MT, just some loose cannon with a competitor who is most likely is a competator getting their teeth knocked in from a better program. Like a Envious Envy owner??

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Massage Mom in Hurst, Texas

50 months ago

If anyone thinks getting listed with Living Social and Groupon is easy your crazy! I wanted to run them for my staff but we couldn't afford to take the hit. I called today and spoke to the folks at Massage Advantage on how they can make this work without the MT only earning $15 or less for a massage? After they told me how they do it I can see why they promoting so heavily on coupon media. Excellent concept and if I were not commited to another 2 year lease I would work at one of their centers. If your and MT looking to get started they have a very fair compensation schedule compared to alot of other massage offices. Turns out you really dont work for Massage Advantage you work for the clinic that uses Massage Advantage's programs.

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melita in Lehigh Acres, Florida

49 months ago

Melissa said: Work for chiro.In the past we have had unloyal massage therapist trying to take patients out of practice and offering them cheaper rates. We want to grow a loyal team of employees and create a system which benefits the pateient with great care and results from treatment. Would like to hear from MT as to what would be your dream pay and what would keep you loyal as a tema member to a pracvtice and grow together ????

What would work is a positive work environment where each person gets along professionally and are friendly with each other. The place of employment should pay a decent wage,and not take advantage of the massage therpaist which happens everywhere it seems. 10 to 15 an hour is not enough for the kind of work a massage therapist does, especially one that cares about their patients welfare. Treat the therapist decently with respect. Massage therapist aren't robots they need breaks like anyone else. That is it

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ChiroLMT in Sarasota, Florida

49 months ago

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Would like to hear from MT as to what would be your dream pay and what would keep you loyal as a tema member to a pracvtice and grow together ????
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- Pay me regardless of what I'm doing. In between patients, I'm still busting my butt for you, whether it's making the clinic presentable, charting, or returning phone calls. My time is definitely worth something.
- Pay me a decent rate. $15 when I'm doing marketing or front desk, at LEAST $20 when I'm doing massage work (and that's low).
- Offer me bonuses based on MY performance, as well as the overall performance.
- Reimburse me at least 50% on any CEUs I take that benefit my work in the clinic and make me a better employee; give me incentive to continue my education and be a better worker. (This would be a huge incentive to me as an LMT yet cost the employer little while benefiting greatly from it.)
- Major holidays off, paid. My birthday off, paid, or a day close to it if it's a weekend.
- One week of vacation in the first year after 90 days, two weeks a year from years 2-4, and three weeks or more after 5 years.
- Supply what I need to do my job. If I want to use other tools/sheets/etc. I can do so at my own expense, or you can buy it if you think I have a strong enough reason. Allow me to bring in and use my own tools to make my job easier.
- You can dictate what the goals of the treatment program are and how I'm allowed to get there. (IE: Increase range of motion abduction by X% using manual therapy for 1 unit.) Allow ME to determine what techniques to use and what muscles to treat.
- Tell me specifically when raises come, how they're determined, etc.
- Listen to my limitations. X/time massage/day with X break between to change over the room and X break for self-care between X sessions.
- ASK ME before you change when you need me at the office. Don't assume I'm available if I was supposed to be off (unless I knew I was "on call" at that time)

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ChiroLMT in Sarasota, Florida

49 months ago

Also:

Realize that I am a service provider. I do NOT make any money when I'm not actually working. Yet at the same time, I have a highly physical job that has a a high burnout rate. I NEED to be able to care for myself both mentally and physically. I need to be able to take time off when I'm sick, to take vacations, and time for things like doctor's appointments and such. I either need some paid time off OR I need to be paid enough when I am on the clock to make up for it.

Treat me like a human being. Let me know what's on your mind (I can't read it). If I do something wrong, please tell me *specifically* what I did, what you want instead, and what your reasoning is. If I can figure out the madness behind the method, I'm likely to make a much better choice in the future.

Keep the office a positive and uplifted place. Offer support and encourage employees to support each other especially on crazy days. Have inside jokes. Laugh. I spend more time with my coworkers than I do with my family; there are ways to keep every day positive and fun. Patients will notice the difference too!

Offer training. If you want something done a certain way, let's practice it. Let's go over it. As a team. Make sure everyone is on the same page. Practice it together. And again. Praise between patients when things go right, especially new things that we've been working on!

Don't make one person the janitor. Realize it's a TEAM. Everyone should be responsible for the appearance of the office. Take turns with chores like trash, vacuuming, etc. Take turns checking the patient bathroom to make sure it's stocked. Have a rotating schedule or an arrangement (one person's area of responsibility is X this week) and make sure employees are following it. NO ONE ENJOYS doing these things; more hands make lighter work.

Owners/managers need someone OUTSIDE of work to vent to. Venting to staff brings down morale. A LOT. Especially about money. That's what friends are for.

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Rosie in Santa Monica, California

49 months ago

I've been a massage therapist in California for almost 20 years. 20 years ago, the first chiropractic office I worked for paid me $25.00 per hour. Since then I've made anywhere between $25 to $60 per hour in either a chiropractic or physical therapy office. I was very fortunate to have worked with sports medicine doctors that appreciated their massage therapists and believed strongly that soft/deep tissue therapy was one of the most important treatments for their patients. There are chiropractors out there that pay minimal..., I know I've interviewed at these offices and I feel a little insulted when I've been offered so little; for example $15-$20 per hour. If you're lucky enough to work for a clinic that pays at least $30 plus an hour I think it's very fair. The patients at clinics can tip from anywhere from $5.00 to $20.00. The doctors usually have steady schedules for massage if they themselves are great doctors. I feel like clinics have a stable amount of appointments but tip very little. I've worked at spas that pay from $18.00 to $45.00 per hour but the tips are much better $10.00 to $40.00 per massage. You'll get the few that tip $5.00. You get tipped more but I've experienced more cancellations in spa environment. Work somewhere that is reputable, doctors that work with athletes and can train you advance techniques on soft tissue therapy and stretching. Educate yourself and take ongoing classes. Take advance anatomy classes in college, it will help you understand the body and become a better therapist. Patients/clients can tell how much you know after their first session with you. I've been offered a raise because patients rescheduled for months in advance. This industry requires trust built between therapist and patient. Better paying jobs are out there but if you temporarily have to work somewhere for less..., work at a place where you can learn and has a reputable name(build your resume and experience).

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Frogie 3 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

49 months ago

I am taking my test in a couple of weeks. I am going to be looking for work soon as a licensed Massage Therapist, I need to know what to expect in an interview ( questions, pay rate etc.... ) I will be applying at Spas, Chiro Offices, Hospitals, we had to do 200 massages in order to graduate. Please let me know what is the best way to go. Thanks

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Beachie Girl in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

47 months ago

Hi I am new to this discussion board, I went to school in order to become a licensed massage therapist, I passed my test, sent all my paperwork for the national and state license, I had some background trouble almost 8 years ago I was denied license for the national. I had to file an appeal for them and I won the appeal. I sent everything to Florida board and was informed today that I fall under a law that was passed on July 1st 2009, and they said that Oct 21st 2011 that my case would go in front of the board, that it was a formallity, that I am going to be denied a license to work because of this law, they said that I could take it to Circuit court of appeals but I probably wont win. I need to know if anyone else has had to do this and what was the outcome, is the any type of work I can do with my massage experience so my training doesn't go to waste???? Please reply I dont know where to turn right now. Thanks Beachie Girl

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Ms. V in Lancaster, California

47 months ago

Hi There!!

I just want to let know that i've been MT for 4 yrs on my own and it's been hard. So I'm now planning to intro myself in a Hair Salon with a 10min Chair Massage, but i haven't checked if i need license for this in da Antelope Valley...so does any 1 know if it's nesse for da license?....Thanks!!

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Michelle

47 months ago

If with a group of therapist ask them what they think should be the code (rules) for them and make sure everyone on that team has the right to even question the boss about the code. So If the boss is not following the code the others will not either.
have loads of info. to share and will be able to share more if you would like.
Mark

Hi Mark, would love to talk to you about your business model. Have been a massage therapist for 15 yrs and worked with various docs but would love to set up something like your business. I am already incorporated and have my NPI#, trying to get provider numbers for the individual insurance companies now, have done insurance billing in Florida and have actually found a company to do electronic billing for me for $20 a month, or $29 for unlimited filing. Anyway, please let me know how I can get in touch with you to talk about your business model so I can see if it is what I would like to incorporate into my business. Set up in a chiro's office now but would love to offer services to different chiros in the area that don't have a massage therapist. Thanks for any help you can offer. Shell

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XrossKore in Lapeer, Michigan

47 months ago

Michelle said: If with a group of therapist ask them what they think should be the code (rules) for them and make sure everyone on that team has the right to even question the boss about the code. So If the boss is not following the code the others will not either.
have loads of info. to share and will be able to share more if you would like.
Mark

Hi Mark, would love to talk to you about your business model. Have been a massage therapist for 15 yrs and worked with various docs but would love to set up something like your business. I am already incorporated and have my NPI#, trying to get provider numbers for the individual insurance companies now, have done insurance billing in Florida and have actually found a company to do electronic billing for me for $20 a month, or $29 for unlimited filing. Anyway, please let me know how I can get in touch with you to talk about your business model so I can see if it is what I would like to incorporate into my business. Set up in a chiro's office now but would love to offer services to different chiros in the area that don't have a massage therapist. Thanks for any help you can offer. Shell

Hello Shell
XrossKore.com is the email addy. Would love to find out more about what you are looking for.
Thank you Mark

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XrossKore in Lapeer, Michigan

47 months ago

JayJ1964 in Wilmington, Delaware said: Hi Mark, Do you accept insurance in your offices & handle the billing with insurance companies or do you not use insurance, I mean the patience insurance, not liability. Also do the therapists that work for you work as a seperate independent contractor through you or are they an employee of yours, if so how do you handle paying them, do they get a percentage? I'm really interested in the route you took. Thank's for any info!

Yes I do Innsurance and have a biller that works with me. Yes the MT's work with me and they get paid per massage as an Independent contractor.
Also get a % of what is done for the week and set up profit sharing per quarter. If we exceed our goals then another % paid from that. We do set up non paid chair events and they are designed to promote all the therapist. If you don't get your hands on people they don't know who or what you do. It takes the risk out of the customer coming to see you.
Hope this helps.

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XrossKore in Lapeer, Michigan

47 months ago

Kris in Fox River Grove, Illinois said: Hi Mark,

I am definitely interested in your "process". I am located in the Chicagoland area, and am looking to create a business where I have therapists working for me. Any info you can provide would be appreciated. -Kris

Hello Kris,
I would love to share some info with you. Please send me an email to
XrossKore@gmail.com and I can help. Let me know what you are looking for so I can assist you.
Thank you Mark

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Rhoda in Niagara Falls, Ontario

46 months ago

Elizabeth in Castries, Saint Lucia said: Hello to all massage therapist.I did my training 5 yrs ago with National School of Technology in Miami Florida.I must say that was one of the best thing I ever did for my self. I relocate to the beautiful Saint Lucia, where I open my massage clinic, so far the money is flowing nicely and my clientele is growing pretty well.I help many people who were suffering with muscles pain, especially lower back pain. I have a reputation is good out there, my work speak for it self.I put my all to it and it pays.

Thanks to National School of Technology who makes a difference in my life.
My advise to massage therapist out there,don't give up on your dreams, it will be hard in the beginning weather you work on your own or with someone else, love what you do be the best that you can be and you will see the benefits at the end.

You are right about not giving up your dreams. I just got my licence in Ontario and i opened my own business where i go to people's homes. It is really slow building the clientele. So I work part time with a chiropractor, she pays me $55.50 / hour. I will have to advertise in many places to get my own clients.

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Meredith in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida

45 months ago

Katie,
I am a new massage therapist in South Florida. I am looking to work at a high end spa that will hire me as a salaried therapist. What would you say the hourly pay for service would be down here? (a basic one hour swedish is $130) Thanks! :)

Katie in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: Shannon-
I am in S.FLA and working in a high end spa doing
massage and body treatments as an independant contractor
making 40-45% (body tx less). Before working here and
looking I would take into consideration the facicities
prices. If they are charging less than $80 for a traditional
sweedish massage I would say more like %40. As far as
an hourly rate, I would suggest $10-$15 hr when you are
not massaging, especially if they have a smaller faciclity,
and hope that you will help out with daily chores. Also
make sure you inspect the facility very well for cleanliness
and quality of products, sheets and towels. Another thing to
take into consideration is clientele tipping? Good, bad, or
non existant?

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Rhoda in Niagara Falls, Ontario

45 months ago

How much is 1 Hr massage at the high end spa where you work?

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Rhoda in Niagara Falls, Ontario

45 months ago

How much is 1Hr massage at the high end spa where u work?

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Claire in Joliet, Illinois

45 months ago

therapistinga in Atlanta, Georgia said: A chiropractor will treat you well if you have confidence in your work. They tend to think they are godlike but if you find one you like well enough it's a good way to really learn how to be a therapeutic practitioner addressing peoples pain instead of a "feel good" therapist. Both are great ...just depends on you

Why in the world would a chiro have a godlike impression of them selves? LOL Im not saying I doubt you at all, as I've never worked for a chiro, but do they realize that most people in mainstream society think chiro's are quacks and unethical?

I can see a doctor or surgeon having a godlike complexes but a chiro??? They need a reality check...

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Claire in Joliet, Illinois

45 months ago

jaime hanisch, lmt,nctmb in Morgantown, West Virginia said: i work for a chiro and get paid $6.oo per unit, so i am only getting paid for work performed, i am required to be there from open to close during business hours. he holds mandatory meetings that we ( the massage therapists) do not get paid for but get repremanded if late arriving to them, and he also does helth fairs and bridal shows that he mandates our time for and will not pay us, im still trying to figure out if that is legal. i like the fact that he gives us cients and takes care of everything but i donot enjoy voulunteering my time for mandatory functions of his bisness.

You will be treated as poorly as you allow yourself to be treated. You know your getting taken advantage of, I dont think you need validation from people on the internet. Instead of volunteering your time and energy into meetings and and health fairs to "build a team" to make someone else a profit.....put that time and energy into making your own profits. Go to the health fair, but go their promoting a business for yourself. You can get very cheap flyers and business cards from Vistaprint. It doesn't cost much to rent office space. Or even partner up with one other massage therapist and split the cost and agree to work the health fairs together. You can build your own clientele.

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wrightlizj@ymail.com in Bend, Oregon

44 months ago

I have been a massage therapist over 20 years. I have worked for Chiropractors,Spas and on my own. As far as my chiropractic experience it really depends on how busy the doctor is. Sometimes I ended up doing 30 spinal massages in one day.. including, ultrasound treatments, setting patients up to cervical and pelvic traction units, working with all other sorts of Physical Therapy modalities. After 13 years experience in this one office, I was a trained physical therapist way under-paid. Spas- one particular golf resort-spa in Carefree, AZ. started me out at 45.00 per massage plus tips..excellent pay! somedays 8 clients..60-90min. to some clients 2 hour massages..hard on the body..and there is the seasonal factor..Feast and Famon! So it is true! Save your money! new therapist..be good to your own body! Get massages yourselves and excersie, heat healthy! Practice what we Preach! I started in my 30's now I am in my 50's..and I need this career to survive! It is hands on loving energy so take care of you so you can take care of your clients for a long time! God Bless You All for Your Blesse Craft!

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wrightlizj@ymail.com in Bend, Oregon

44 months ago

I have been a massage therapist over 20 years. I have worked for Chiropractors,Spas and on my own. As far as my chiropractic experience it really depends on how busy the doctor is. Sometimes I ended up doing 30 spinal massages in one day.. including, ultrasound treatments, setting patients up to cervical and pelvic traction units, working with all other sorts of Physical Therapy modalities. After 13 years experience in this one office, I was a trained physical therapist way under-paid. Spas- one particular golf resort-spa in Carefree, AZ. started me out at 45.00 per massage plus tips..excellent pay! somedays 8 clients..60-90min. to some clients 2 hour massages..hard on the body..and there is the seasonal factor..Feast or Famon! So it is true! Save your money! new therapist..be good to your own body! Get massages yourselves and excersie, heat healthy! Practice what we Preach! I started in my 30's now I am in my 50's..and I need this career to survive! It is hands on loving energy so take care of you so you can take care of your clients for a long time! God Bless You All for Your Blessed Craft!

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JOJO in Spring Hill, Florida

44 months ago

I was just let go from a chiropractors office for telling clients that I did in home massage and massage and facial parties outside of that job. No non-compete paper had never been signed nor was there ever any conversation of what was expected of me. I was told the position was open by a young chiropractor that had just started there, and for whom I had worked filling in as a fill in massage therapist. He liked me and my work ethics as far as always being available for him. However, the office he worked in prior also did 1 hour relaxation massages for $40, of which I got $24 (and on rare occations a tip). I did not share what my other endevours with those clients. Anyhow, the practice that he was now working at, did not do relaxation massage. As a matter of fact the were about 98% PIP cases. Maybe I should have asked the office manager if it was ok to talk about my other endevoirs, but it was'nt like I was giving out my phone number or cards! It really is to bad, I did like the Doctors they treated me with respect and really talked to me about the client care plan. But if the office manager does'nt like you and is married to the Doctor you are in trouble.

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myHolisticServices.com in Austin, Texas

44 months ago

I would say no to SPAs and no to Chiropractors. The best is to work on your own and create a reputation. Our website (www.myHolisticServices.com) is enabeling massage therapists to create a profile, bid on massage auctions in their area, receive testimonials, get promoted for free if they are active and receive good reviews. Be your own boss and get the money your worth in full, not just 20%-30% of it.

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Choonks in Minneapolis, Minnesota

42 months ago

Hi Elizabeth, I really need some assistance in relocating to St.Lucia to practice massage. I have been contacting schools and programs but it has been a bit difficult in getting all the information needed as to what qualifications are needed to practice. Hopefully you can help me with some of my questions. I will wait to here back from before bombarding you with questions right away. lol

Thanks

Elizabeth in Castries, Saint Lucia said: Hello to all massage therapist.I did my training 5 yrs ago with National School of Technology in Miami Florida.I must say that was one of the best thing I ever did for my self. I relocate to the beautiful Saint Lucia, where I open my massage clinic, so far the money is flowing nicely and my clientele is growing pretty well.I help many people who were suffering with muscles pain, especially lower back pain. I have a reputation is good out there, my work speak for it self.I put my all to it and it pays.

Thanks to National School of Technology who makes a difference in my life.
My advise to massage therapist out there,don't give up on your dreams, it will be hard in the beginning weather you work on your own or with someone else, love what you do be the best that you can be and you will see the benefits at the end.

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Slade in Seattle, Washington

42 months ago

Hello. I'm thinking about getting my license as an MT in Seattle, WA. There are a couple of schools here locally; does anybody know about which ones are reputable and offer a wide range of styles/methodologies? I'm currently debating between Cortiva and Everest, but if there are any others nearby I'm missing or if there's anything I should know about one of those, I'm all ears.

Thanks, and it's been great reading this thread and getting an idea of life in the trenches, as it were. :)

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Lanay in Huntington Park, California

41 months ago

jaime hanisch, lmt,nctmb in Morgantown, West Virginia said: i work for a chiro and get paid $6.oo per unit, so i am only getting paid for work performed, i am required to be there from open to close during business hours. he holds mandatory meetings that we ( the massage therapists) do not get paid for but get repremanded if late arriving to them, and he also does helth fairs and bridal shows that he mandates our time for and will not pay us, im still trying to figure out if that is legal. i like the fact that he gives us cients and takes care of everything but i donot enjoy voulunteering my time for mandatory functions of his bisness.

I am just out of Massage School. I went on an interview and the Chiropractor offered me a 2 day trial period before he would possibly hire me. He said he only pays massage therapists $10 an hour. During the trial period he said on $20 for the entire day. He had me work a 10 hour shift with only 1 lunch and no bathroom or water breaks. I ended up getting injured. My arm was swollen and sharp piercing pain in my lower back. I asked my director of program I graduated from and he says nobody no massage therapist should work a 10 hour shift. He said right out of school 4 hours max 6 and that is pushing it. I had to call out of my second trial day. I never got to talk to the doctor. I e-mailed him and left him a message. He never called to see if I was even ok. On top of this he had files all over the floor, not alphabetized, papers rabdomly everywhere. He got upset with me because i was unable to find files quick enough. Was I wrong not to go back. Some people say I should have stayed others agreed with me that I should not work in those conditions. Any advise would help. Also my program director said the dr should have known better than to work me 10 hours.

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JOJO in Spring Hill, Florida

41 months ago

Unfortunately we let the chiropractors get away with this behavior. Usually, in a busy chiropractors office, our work not only pays our wages, but more often than not the entire office staffs wages. And what about the money the chiropractor is bringing in? Well thats easy, IT'S ALL HIS!

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Karma06 in Ohio

40 months ago

Hi everyone!

I am looking for some advice! I am an LMT working for a chiropractors office. I have 5 years experience. At the moment I am an IC. They provide all the supplies, advertising, etc. I make 50% commission which is $13/30min and $27/60min. I work about 15 hours a week. Sometimes I am booked solid and sometimes I only have 1 appt. The chiropractor I work for presented me with a full-time employee position (40 hours/week) where I would just make a flat hourly rate doing massage along with office duties, helping in PT, etc. He wants me to present an hourly rate to him that I would want to make for doing this. Does anyone have any suggestions for what a fair hourly rate would be? The only reason I want to do this is to make more money, not work more hours for hardly any extra income....

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