Employers -- How do you look at degrees from Devry, University of Phoenix, and other similar schools?

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Heather in Coppell, Texas

63 months ago

Hoapres, I had this same exact question. Will my credits transfer to another university if I wanted to do a B.S. in HIM? I called University of Cincinnati and spoke to an admissions advisor/rep. To get into their program you need to have an associates degree in HIT. It does not matter where as long as it is CAHIIM accredited. They will accept all of your classes, for profit or not.

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Debbie in Branford, Connecticut

63 months ago

I think a lot of people get their AAS from schools like DeVry then when they get a job in their field they continue on their education with other schools for their BA. A lot of companies offer tuition reimbursement only for the field they are employed in so this helps solve a big dilemma for people that need the tuition assistance. This allows them to have a better paying job and still continue their education.

I actually had to interview several people so far that have HIT/HIM careers in the field and the president of the NJHIMA was a lady that started her career later in life as well. She went to a CC but when she got out with her AAS she started in the file room at a big well known hospital. She worked hard and moved up the ladder and look where she is now. But hence she still had to start at the bottom even though she went to a brick and mortar school. I also interviewed the Coordinator for Audit and Quality Monitoring and oversees the manager for the release of information department and neither of them not once made me feel my education or I was ever inferior because I was attending DeVry. You will always see "education snobs” that feel their degree is better no matter even if you got it at a brick and mortar school. But trust me there are people out there that are in positions were you want to work that understand that people come from all walks of life and education and might have had to obtain their degrees later in life like so many people are. They also know how hard it is to attend classes while holding down and job and family and see people that are willing to do that to education people that are hard workers and can balance workloads successfully. If you are working a full-time job, raising a family and still don’t care if it takes you 4 years or more to get AA,S then that is great. The HIT/HIM online programs whether DeVry or online CC’s have to be CAHIMA approved, which means either program has to pass the same standards.

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Bean counter in San Jose, California

63 months ago

It's very sad but read many of these bad schools' graduates actually decided to omit their graduate degree on their resume due to the prevalent discrimination from employers. I remember the first time (20+ years ago) I actually heard about UoP was when an engineering manager commented to me that how embarrassing it was to have only 1 degree and that's from UoP! Subsequently I heard and read so much negative and horrible experience the students suffered after obtaining their only degree and graduate degree -- that not only they couldn't compete in the job market but got stuck with the stigma and student loan.

I completely understand the employers' negative view of these type of schools -- poor quality on both the schools and students who are perceived as lazy .... just want a quickie diploma which is really equivalent to one that you can buy online for a small fee. My colleague is a instructor at UoP and honestly, she's a joke in our dept and it's pathetic she's allowed to teach the same subject matter that she clearly is not qualified for....

UoP's aggressive and harmful recruiting (student) tactics is well publicized, they know the slim job prospects for their graduates and their questionable ability to pay off their loans -- which resulted in taxpayers forking over our hard-earned money to enrich UoP executives.

I was 40, divorced with a child and worked full time when I graduated from california state, I could have grab my degree from UoP but my common sense would not allow me to even consider it for one second. It took me 8 years but I sure glad I did it the legit way.

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Tracy B in Malvern, Ohio

44 months ago

Debbie in Madison, Connecticut said: Employers -- How do you look at degrees from Devry, University of Phoenix, and other similar schools? I am wondering how employers look at these online schools verses a degree from a brick and mortar school, community college , or four-year college? I want to get my AAS in Health Information Technology and am torn between a community college's online program versus Devry.

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Debbie I graduated with my Associates in Health Information Technology from DeVry in March 2013, my school loans came to an outstanding 41,000 dollars, and that was wihout taking the certification from AHIMA. The good thing is Devry pays for your first exam through AHIMA.Secondly, I haven't been able to find a job in my field in Ohio. All jobs for Medical Billing and Coding require the certification and a BA in Health Information Technology. Good luck. I start classes again this Fall for a BA in HIT Administration, and it will cost another 47,000 dollars. Seems like 88,000 dollars is alot for only making 32,000 dollars a year before taxes??

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Johnny Bulky in Phoenix, Arizona

30 months ago

II would like to offer readers the benefit of having over 10 years-experience with Online education as an Instructor and Course Designer. Anyone who wants to challenge my comments, please have the guts to tell us your credentials prior to making your challenge.
Let me be blunt, do not, I say again do not attend any for profit school (online or on campus). As more and more traditional Colleges and Universities develop Online programs, there are many, many options for people who can only attend college online. I have heard scores of stories from my own former students who could not get a job in their chosen field because they attended a “for profit” College/University. Some of the "for profits" are in real trouble with the Government and a number are in danger of losing both their accreditation as well as their access to student loan programs. There are many, many problems with the “for profits”; chief among these is getting employers to consider them “real schools”. For example, one of the largest "for profits" is infamous for continuing to pull money out of student loan accounts after students have withdrawn from their school. The end-result is the student incurs more debt for classes they never took. Check postings on the internet BEFORE you even contact the school. The "for profits" are no longer about education, they are about revenue generation. They donate MASSIVE amounts of money to political causes and that's why the industry has not been policed better. Look at their graduation rates too...if it is below 65 %, don't even bother with them. Here's is very simple way to determine if an Online school is legit and attending will help your career; find out if their students take exams. Exams are the single most important method to measure learning and if a school does not give students exams, despite any of their claims, it is almost impossible to measure if real learning has take place...employers know this fact and your resume will be tossed out.

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joey66215 in Gulfport, Mississippi

24 months ago

Ryan in Friendswood, Texas said: Stay away from the for profits like DeVry, ITT, Herzing, WGU. All these folks want is your $ and do not care about quality of education . There are cc going to total online programs. Check www.CAHIIM.org in your state and select yes for distance education.

Folks tell me what school is not for profit? Go in and ask to take a free class.. Every school wants money.. You have schools that are subsidized by the state/city and or county governments then they also get Title IV funding or students pay out. Private schools - Get funding from Title IV or out of pocket cost.
This whole "for profits" thing is silly.

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RHIA in Saint Petersburg, Florida

24 months ago

Ryan in Friendswood, Texas said: Stay away from the for profits like DeVry, ITT, Herzing, WGU. All these folks want is your $ and do not care about quality of education . There are cc going to total online programs. Check www.CAHIIM.org in your state and select yes for distance education.

Western Governors University (WGU) is not a "for profit" university like the others you listed.

It is, in fact, a highly respected school. Their RHIA in health information management/health informatics is one of the best in the country. It is regionally and CAHIIM accredited to teach an RHIA program. Their graduates have a 100% pass rate on the RHIA exam and also graduate with an AHIMA coding certification and a number of Microsoft computer programming certifications.

It is very low cost and can be completed in less time than a bachelor's at other universities because it is self-paced.

The only negative is that they do not accept everyone and you have to actually learn all the material, because they are competency-based. It is a lot more work than at most colleges, but that is why their graduates pass the RHIA. They get great jobs in informatics, data analytics, and other new HIM fields, too.

(Just fyi, the pass rate on the RHIA for graduates of other colleges is less than 50%. WGU is 100%.)

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xboxer in Cactus, Arizona

24 months ago

joey66215 in Gulfport, Mississippi said: Folks tell me what school is not for profit? Go in and ask to take a free class.. Every school wants money.. You have schools that are subsidized by the state/ city and or county governments then they also get Title IV funding or students pay out. Private schools - Get funding from Title IV or out of pocket cost.
This whole "for profits" thing is silly.

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I agree.
They just want you to think they don't get anything out of pushing you into an already-saturated field.

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Decemberist in Killeen, Texas

23 months ago

Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

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RHIA in Saint Petersburg, Florida

23 months ago

You could consider the RHIA in Informatics from Western Governors University. It would only take you about 2-1/2 years and 10 or 12k. It is not a diploma mill or for-profit. Their pass rate on the RHIA is 100%, I think. You could then get a remote job in coding.

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Cosmogal in Leesburg, Florida

19 months ago

Bean counter in San Jose, California said: Stay away from these schools, for a long time now, employers despise them, many companies refuse to include them in their education reimbursement program... one VP of my brother's company once angrily commented "why are we getting all these resumes from applicants with U of Phoenix degree?!?"

Their nasty recruiting tactics resulted in the wasting taxpayers' money -- because many of their students defaulted on their student loans and we, the taxpayers end up paying... while the filthy rich founder of U. of Phoenix and his son bought mansions in Malibu...

You cannot default on students loans! You cannot even put them in bankruptcy! If they are government backed student loans they are not allowed in bankruptcy and they will apply liens on homes, bank accts and take any tax return where there is a refund.

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Christine in Sumter, South Carolina

13 months ago

I am a working person and find it very hard to get a quality education in the traditional non-profit school as they require in school testing at unreasonable hours. I also have been very challenged by Keller School of Management with my online courses. I am definitely not a lazy person in the least. I always give a 150%, therefore I think employers will look at this as a positive thing that I am trying to improve myself professionally and personally.

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leah in Las Vegas, Nevada

10 months ago

Tracy B in Malvern, Ohio said: Debbie I graduated with my Associates in Health Information Technology from DeVry in March 2013, my school loans came to an outstanding 41,000 dollars, and that was wihout taking the certification from AHIMA. The good thing is Devry pays for your first exam through AHIMA.Secondly, I haven't been able to find a job in my field in Ohio. All jobs for Medical Billing and Coding require the certification and a BA in Health Information Technology. Good luck. I start classes again this Fall for a BA in HIT Administration , and it will cost another 47,000 dollars. Seems like 88,000 dollars is alot for only making 32,000 dollars a year before taxes??

If you graduate with a BA and are still only making 32k then something is wrong. I have seen jobs offering way more then that.

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rstargazer in Lake Villa, Illinois

10 months ago

AMEN!!!

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rstargazer in Lake Villa, Illinois

10 months ago

All schools want money!!! Devry doesn't just let anyone in!

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msdoppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

10 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

Please be extremely careful. For-profits specifically take advantage of working adults or those who face logistical challenges in attending traditional, non-profit higher education. I've heard stories of fly by night tech and vocational for-profits absconding with grant and student's money. Students are left to find a note on the door saying the school is closed when they arrive for class. Also, if for some reason you ever need to transfer to another school or want to earn a post grad degree, a lot of regionally accredited schools will not accept transfer credits from nationally accredited for-profits.

Since it seems that you're specifically interested in a Bachelor's, more regionally accredited, non-profit colleges and universities are adding online programs. Check to see if any of the state/public schools in TX have online programs so that you can take advantage of in-state tuition.

Hope this point you in the right general direction at the least and best of luck

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GabbyGary in Yorktown Heights, New York

6 months ago

Divorce?

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GabbyGary in Yorktown Heights, New York

6 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

Divorce?

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Hughes in Yorktown Heights, New York

6 months ago

I knew an accounting "professor" who taught (or, perhaps, still teaches) at a diploma mill college in the Bronx. I noticed he was visibly agitated one day and I asked what was wrong. He angrily explained that the feds wanted to withhold future eligibility to student aid funding money being funneled to his "school" until it was demonstrated to their satisfaction that the school's graduating students had a reasonable shot at gainful employment that would enable them to re-pay their debt to society.

He said it was gonna cost his institution millions.

I said, "So, they're gonna invest in raising the school's standards?"

His reply, "No, the millions of dollars will be directed towards lobbying to discourage the new mandate's enactment."

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Ecw in Tampa, Florida

6 months ago

leah in Las Vegas, Nevada said: If you graduate with a BA and are still only making 32k then something is wrong. I have seen jobs offering way more then that.

Just curious, what state do you live in? What jobs are you referring to? Of course there are jobs that pay more than that.It doesn't mean there are enough of them. The job field also plays a huge factor on the salary. Unfortunately this is not a one size fits all scenario.The median income in the US is less than 60,000. Millions of people make less than 60,000 dollars a year. Yes, something is wrong.

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sfbmod in Waco, Texas

5 months ago

As a technology expert with over 20 years of experience and being a student of both public and private schools, I could not disagree with this assessment more.

I found public schools are unfortunately very behind the technology curve compared with private industry, and can provide many details if asked.

During my frustrations with having to bring my public school professors up-to-speed with current technology standards, I naturally looked for better schools. I was actually surprised to learn that one of the most respected and knowledgeable engineers at one of my places of employment had been a DeVry University graduate. I began researching and asking questions about this school around 2007 with as many professionals as I could, including our chief HR Executive about her opinions of schools such as DeVry. I'll never forget her immediate response, "If a company rejects a resume because an applicant went to a private school such as DeVry, that's probably not a very good company to work for." And I was sold.

I graduated from DeVry in 2011. Every professor I had was not only very knowledgeable but were also very accomplished in their given fields of study. My IT Infrastructure professor for example was the chief IT Administrator of the Kennedy Space Center, working part time as an adjunct professor for DeVry university. The professor for one of my first introductory classes for my degree had retired from NASA with over 40 years of experience. I could provide other examples.

I've been a coder all my life, first teaching myself BASIC as a 10 year old in the 1980s. The professors at DeVry make you work for your grade. I've had friends whom I tried to help through several classes whom could not keep up, and had to take failing grades despite every effort I and our professors could provide. I always read comments with great skepticism when I hear how DeVry professors allegedly "give the answers to tests away."

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SDP in Cincinnati, Ohio

2 months ago

Devry is one of the best schools in my opinion. I teach for them currently and have been promoted twice, thus far. The organizational culture is SO supportive. They really do care about student success and have been so supportive of me as an instructor. As this person, above pointed out, instructors are credentialed, have industry experience, and are selected from a pool of many qualified applicants. Devry wants to make sure the instructor are friendly, knowledgeable, responsive, and more. I will take calls from students 24-7 and help them with their career goals and more. Earlier today, I coached two by phone and I will make short videos for them to help the class, too.

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sean2339 in Tucson, Arizona

1 month ago

msdoppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: Please be extremely careful. For-profits specifically take advantage of working adults or those who face logistical challenges in attending traditional, non-profit higher education . I've heard stories of fly by night tech and vocational for-profits absconding with grant and student's money. Students are left to find a note on the door saying the school is closed when they arrive for class. Also, if for some reason you ever need to transfer to another school or want to earn a post grad degree, a lot of regionally accredited schools will not accept transfer credits from nationally accredited for-profits.

Since it seems that you're specifically interested in a Bachelor's, more regionally accredited, non-profit colleges and universities are adding online programs. Check to see if any of the state/public schools in TX have online programs so that you can take advantage of in-state tuition.

Hope this point you in the right general direction at the least and best of luck

Your wording is very problematic. For profit vs non-profit vs governmental are tax statuses that have no impact the accreditation. The University of Phoenix is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission, the same commission that accredits The University of Arizona and the University of Chicago. My friend who has a undergrad from the U of P was accepted into a Harvard graduate program and has since graduated with a Master's in IT from the University of Boston, which was ranked #1 in IT when he went there. He is now director of IT at an aerospace/defense company. Also, most online public schools are unstructured afterthoughts. It may look better to an employer, but your education will suffer. If you actually want to learn the subject online, you should favor a college that has an emphasis on online education if you care about learning.

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yftrght6r in San Francisco, California

1 month ago

In general for-profit schools, units do not transfer to other universities, and they state that in thier advertisement. ALso they have highly aggrssive recruiting tactics, and is even more expensive than traditional schooling as well. Most employees will disregard for-profit diplomas anyways. becauase you payed for such an "Easy education"

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