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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: Unless you have money, and want to open up your own laboratory DCLS is probably not the way to go. I would think about going MBA or Hospital Administration if you are thinking about becoming a Laboratory Manager/taking an administrative job in the hospital. You might also want to think about public health as I've heard there is the potential for high salary in that field. Also a specialty in blood bank is an excellent card to have on the table these days, because most techs flee the blood bank, and they are always looking for well credentialed people to take the captains chair in blood bank as either a supervisor, technical specialist, or if you are in a hospital system somebody that oversees all 15 blood banks in an area. There is big money in the blood banks right now. You might want to consider some of these options.

You will also get better at feeling out some of these options when you actaully enter the field, and you will see what positions are in demand yourself.

Diagnostics, another option to consider, and they will probably tell you a BS in CLS is enough education for them...

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

What sort of potential is at the blood bank salary wise? How would it differ from being a generalist? Also not a big fan of HSA or MBA when doctoral programs are more viable. There are lots of people with MBA's without jobs and public health won't get you too far besides teaching or working with the EPA.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York said: What sort of potential is at the blood bank salary wise? How would it differ from being a generalist? Also not a big fan of HSA or MBA when doctoral programs are more viable. There are lots of people with MBA's without jobs and public health won't get you too far besides teaching or working with the EPA.

In most cases if you are a blood banker at a trauma center you can expect to make $2-$5 an hour extra. Also the blood bank carries a higher weight than other departments. Not discrediting other departments entirely, because some can be extremely hectic (ie Chemistry, Urinalysis) and some require a high level of skill to be good at (Microbiology, Hematology), but in the general stat laboratory blood bankers are generally more garnished with respect. First off, a blood banker requires a certain mind. You must have the ability to deal with cranky doctors and nurses who demand blood products on a seconds notice even before you have got a specimen to start crossmatching compatible units. Blood bankers in trauma centers can do anything from spin around in their chairs on a night shift to be running all over the place thawing Fresh Frozen Plasma, releasing emergency RBCs, and issuing platelets. Antibody problems require a problem solver and a thinker. While the phone calls require a people person. As my boss says, not everybody will be a blood banker, and she is right. More hell generally = more pay. But only expect a slight pay increase in most states, and a slightly higher increase in California. Speciality in blood bank is in demand. There is generally a chain of command at most hospital blood banks. So a supervisor position is never hard to find at a general blood bank. Most blood bankers already overburdened with responsibility will occasionally shy away from taking more. Supervisors make $5 an hour more, and if you oversee the entire blood bank I would expect to make $10 an hour more in most

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

(continued) places. There is more potential if you become the head blood banker of an entire hospital system (those positions are probably more competed for). Also most blood banks (trauma center) will staff a QA person of some sorts who should also make $5 an hour more. This person will sniff out the errors made by other blood bankers in the bank. The police man/woman!

All in all, the blood bank is an exciting place, and if you don't want to be brain dead in 10 years it's not a bad place to end up... I encourage it Rohan...

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Also it should be noted when trying to find a new job, the first thing managers will ask you now is:

Do you have blood bank experience?

It's best to answer this question with a "yes".

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

WOWWW! Who knew there was so much TENSION in the lab. As a arch nemesis, aka nurse, i'm utterly appalled. I thought it was us AS and BSN nurses fighting over status rank and rights. I guess each profession has their qualms. I understand where both sides are coming from however. MTs are offended, and dislike it or not, a bit jealous that they aren't getting paid greater wages and the high esteem and respect they deserve. MTs basically have the same training but they honestly do have to pay more for their education and their course work requirements are more extensive! Their frustration is somewhat understandable. But i wouldn't place all the blame and slander on the MLT's!!! Blame the hospital not them. Take your picket line to those that can do something about it instead of "downing" fellow lab partners. Think of it like this: Why would administration change anything when they see you all simply occupied with keeping busy at each others throats and not theirs??? Lol. Complaining never solved a thing. But i will say in the MLT's defense, they are just as valuable and contribute greatly to the team, performing mostly the same tasks as MTs making lower wages. I'd rather an intelligent, competent, EXPERIENCED MLT perform the test and even report it to me than an MT who isn't. MLTs work just as hard to obtain their certification and get their butts whooped and kicked around too...most of them in my State end up only doing the dirty work which is mainly phlebotomy. MLT's are being slowly phased out and forced to return back to school and there are programs to help bridge them from MLT to CLS within a few short years. So stop trippin' people...you'll probably find once they're all phased out and become MT(ASCP)'s too your hourly salary won't even change!! Did you think the hospitals are actually going to let that happen when they know what your working for now?!?! So stop dogging each other out. Don't like your wages...switch careers or start a union.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

The problems run even deeper than you know. Most laboratories in the states have low requirments for technologists. Some technologists you talk to might not even have an education in CLS, but a bachelor in biology or something less. Legislators have mostly ignored the field, and even pathologists in the past have fought against legislation that would increase standards in the field which would help increase tech pay. This is because the pathologists were more like businessmen than anything else. After CLIA 88 was introduced a lot of this crap stopped, but still requirements to be CLS are still low, which unfortunately keeps our pay down. Personally I don't have a problem with MLTs because they are pretty much a dying breed these days. MLT schools are closing up faster than MT schools and we "DESPARATELY" need qualified techs more than ever that are young. There is a missing generation of workers Age 30-50 because a lot of techs in the 90s could not OBTAIN jobs because there were so many foreign techs that saturated the field in the 70s and 80s. That helps to further explain the shortage now. I could go on. Some of these people fighting the war between MLT/MT still don't understand the bigger problem that is heading our way down the bend. Soon all of this will be old news and forgotten discussion. The dark age is almost over, which will be followed by the age of HELL. That's what happens when 50% of your field will retire in the next decade. I'm just hoping a pay increase comes with the HELL!

:)

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

Sorry RN2ASCP but I'd much rather be a CLS than a nurse, actually I'd rather sell hotdogs at a stand than be a nurse for certain reasons, nothing personal to you but the only reason you guys are paid more than us is because of the loudmouth of a union you have. I really don't see any respect in nurses at all probably because they are waaay too low on a knowledgeable level. Alot of the nursing students that were in my school showed up to their rotation sites half drunk from the night before.

Most of the bright CLS's move onto higher ranks, it's the incompetent ones who remain in one position for the rest of their lives and vent their anger out to others. Anyway, this is becoming a growing profession and more of the newer generations are going to take up the lab in years to come. More and more BS CLS's are moving in, and were more educated in comparison to many of the other healthcare fields.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: That's what happens when 50% of your field will retire in the next decade. I'm just hoping a pay increase comes with the HELL!

:)

Definitely agree with you. But i think 50% is an exaggerated figure. I find it hard to believe that all these people the field claims will be retiring are actually going to. With the economy the way it is many people are indeed re-entering their fields or switching. I think the lack of MT(ASCP) is due to program cut-backs (this is one program that gets cut pretty quickly) and lack of advertisement. Yeah most hospitals are training MTs now, which is also a problem because they can only accept so many....if they want to increase numbers for this program, schools and hospitals really need to get the word out that this program exists. I know so many ppl that have no clue what an MT or MLT is and we deal with the lab everyday! :)

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

95% of the BS CLS's that are recently graduating are also going to get their doctorates in the profession as well once it becomes available in 2011, things will surely change in time.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

There is also no on the job training for certain states, the licensed ones, so I'm not sure which states your talking about that still does this.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York said: Sorry RN2ASCP but I'd much rather be a CLS than a nurse, actually I'd rather sell hotdogs at a stand than be a nurse for certain reasons, nothing personal to you but the only reason you guys are paid more than us is because of the loudmouth of a union you have. More and more BS CLS's are moving in, and were more educated in comparison to many of the other healthcare fields.

First off only state nurses truly have unions. Most nurses have no union. We get paid lower than we should in many jobs, you just don't hear about it. Try caring for 60 patients at $25/hr opposed to in the hospital with 5-8 patients making the same!

I never understood why ppl in the lab had such hatred towards nurses. I thought pure jealousy. But your attitude is why there is so much tension, and why you go unrecognized in silence. Our fields differ greatly but we all do significant work although we work on very different spectrums.

Nurses have to be just as knowledgeable and skilled to understand and interpret at best the readings that you call us with. We know what's wrong before we even call the doctor! And it is often the nurses that make "Recommendations" to the doc for treatments hence saving their hide most of the time from making the wrong medical decisions. We're the ones doing tasks like hanging the blood products and watching for reactions, hoping the lab didn't screw up. We first make the determination labs and cultures need to be drawn b/c the doctor isn't there and that takes much assessment skills. Nursing is a highly skilled and advanced profession - it's no longer the Florence Nightingale, fluff your pillow stuff. Yeah most nurses don't know or care about lab personnel b/c we never if rarely see them. When you finally find your way out the hole up to ground level then you decide when you want to put down on my other profession. So in the meantime, kindly keep your head low and screwed to a microscope:

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

...and i do mean that nicely Lol :)

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York said: There is also no on the job training for certain states, the licensed ones, so I'm not sure which states your talking about that still does this.

I'm speaking of hospital based programs that train BS majors to get their MT(ASCP). That's just one way into the profession since there are not many BS MT programs out there.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York said: 95% of the BS CLS's that are recently graduating are also going to get their doctorates in the profession as well once it becomes available in 2011, things will surely change in time.

BTW...i don't think that'll change much. Come on! How many MTs at their salary are going to want to go back to school for a Doctorate and for what?! Everybody can't be the head boss. I'd demand the hospital show me how high my salary would jump before i invested in something that would only get me a bench salary.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

That's the difference between you and I, it's not about "Going back to school" or making more money.

Also, you have many faulty assumptions here. I hear all the time the lab being blamed for most of the occurrences however every one of my CLS professors and even my program director who has more experience than you must have anyhow tells us how much of that blame is falsely accused because you guys can't man up to your own mistakes or have no other direction to point your fingers at.

You honestly can't have me to believe that the majority of your scoopers are actually intelligent enough to assess a patient thoroughly for diagnosis. Hey most of the people in my senior class probably know more about assessing patients than your average nurse, sorry but 2 years of schooling isn't going to make you a genius. What was the down-syndrome curriculum again, not even real A&P..more like A&P for nusing students or Intro to organic for nursing students..? ;) j/k I do mean that nicely.

You also seem to have the notion that nurses are "Commanding" labs to do tests for you, there's no authority at all. It is rarely ever the lab's fault for a mistake that occurred on a patient, in which either the doctor or nurse is too shy fess up on. Blood hemolyzed? Go draw another tube, and you guys will ask what hemolysis even means? I won't joke with you, but many of the nurses I spoke with didn't know what the difference between what serum and plasma was....come on really?

Stop over-glorifying your profession, you guys are just down there with us and the rest of the allied health professions. You will never be as respected/paid and treated like a doctor or a pharmacist, sorry I meant "We". I'm still a senior and only 21 without much experience but I feel as if I've exposed myself to a lot of what happens in the health care industry already in all sides of the hospital setting.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Nurses have less science courses than MTs, and if you had an ounce of intelligence you would realize that the same thing is happening in the MT field that happened twenty years ago in the RN field. Lack of respect and recognition from those that don't understand. Nurses have less science courses than MTs and their focus is on patient care. There are also places where MTs are unionized, but for the most part this is California where MT pay is on par with nursing salary. You have a degrading attitude towards the field, but you aren't recognizing that the profession takes skill. It's an artform. Without the qualified personel everything from a UA result to a hematology differential will be effected.

We had computer downtime one day, and some nurses and clerical staff came down in the laboratory to help us fax results. They admitted they had a different perception of the laboratory before they came to help out. I'm not really looking to change your mind, but remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

Raising credentials is also NEVER a bad thing, instead of spending money on useless garbage that are short term, care to spend it on more education for yourself? What you learn and know can never be taken away from you above all other things.

Staying with only a bachelors these days is low balling and frankly not enough at least to my standards.

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Todd BS MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas

60 months ago

RN2ASCP, AS RN have little so few science courses. Do you take Organic 1 ? Organic 2? Calculus in a associate level program?

Give me a break, my mom was a nurse and hated every day of her job. Patients falling, charting, the rooms smell like sh@t, isolation warnings, WHO WANTS THAT??

I would retire as a lab tech if the field paid better, I DO NOT LIKE PATIENT CONTACT, patients coughing in my face, throwing up, peeing everywhere.. I did morning draws on my phelb rotation, I know what these rooms are like....NO THANKS!!

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

LPN's/RN's are simply not the same caliber as a NP or even a PA, which is why bedside nursing is probably the most common and useful task for a nurse to do and many of them hate it. You'll find that alot of other healthcare professionals who wanted to switch over to being a CLS couldn't because they had no idea what they were getting into. Our curriculum is rigorous for the weak minded. We don't have courses on how to change diapers when necessary, theres minimal patient care. It's all HARD sciences, facts and assessments. Without our results, doctors would be put to shame and contribute much of anything. 85% of our assessments affect every prescription being filled out.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

The truth of the matter is that there might be an over supply of nurses soon. Everybody is trying to get into that field where nobody knows about the MLS field due to lack of exposure. Nursing schools are opening up everyday! A nurse told me not to get into my field before I graduated saying a bunch of mean old ladies work in the laboratory... It's not for you Jake. I disagree with her now. I have to think that this negative advertising has had an effect on the field. Maybe people don't want to get into this job, because it's tough, it's down and dirty, and you gotta deal with a lot of poop (literally and figuratively), but man... I do a great job. There are only 2 twenty year olds at my work place, we have 2 handfuls of fifty year olds, and 3 dozen 60 year olds. I have a skill few young people have. Nurses? Dime a dozen now... The shortage will be vanquished in the next decade due to overexposure of the field, and the massive amount of training programs created to help deal with the shortage. You will not see your RN pay drop, but don't expect the raises to be as consistent. Expect them to go out to the staff that's hard and rare to find. Wait for the mass exodus of this field, and that's where the $$$ signs are at. In the mean time I will take close to my $30 an hour and unlimited overtime oppurtunities. I'm doing better than most my age.

Remember a scientist can spot a trend... A nurse is better at "fluffing pillows"... LOL

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

The best part about nurses is they really don't get it. I don't want to nail the whole field, because I know and work with some excellent nurses! But you get these half-witted banshee nuts who are on a crazed mission to let off all their steam and anxiety on a few techs on a forum. They have a know it all attitude and they are on a mission to search and destroy.

They are so cursed in their profession they carry it with them everywhere. You hear the pain in their words! Forget nursing, forget ranting on these forums... Your destiny is HOLLYWOOD! :)

Jake the MT gives you an A+ for acting, but I'm just a MT. I suck at life! BWAHAHAHAHA!

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Todd BS MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas

60 months ago

Yea one of our phelbs just graduated from a community college nursing program. She told me that she did not get a sign on bonus because of all the new grads, and she had to work med surge since there was so few slots in the areas like ER, ICU..

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Todd BS MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas said: Yea one of our phelbs just graduated from a community college nursing program. She told me that she did not get a sign on bonus because of all the new grads, and she had to work med surge since there was so few slots in the areas like ER, ICU..

Yup yup... And since it's one of the few good professions right now expect even more kids to try to get into it. It is also an overexposed profession. I bet you the same thing will happen that happened to lawyers. A wave of kids will enter the profession driving the wages down. Don't lose any sleep yet MR or MRS nurse the day is still yours in terms of salary, but again you have an underexposed field running straight for a massive shortage. Just going to play the odds here...

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

Ever visited a nursing home before for the elderly? It's insane how drop down depressing that place is and how they hate their jobs. In hospitals it's the same thing, they're running around changing diapers all day and touching IV lines without gloves on lolz.

People who go into nursing school, if they really think they're a know it all and have more scientific knowledge than all of us, then why not goto med school? The extra 4 years is not an excuse either. PA school is only a bachelors/masters as well so why not go there atleast?

It's obvious most of these kids are looking for the easier way out in things, 2 years associates = 80k out of school for nursing as well as what is known as one of the easiest curriculum in the allied health professions since they don't touch on the complex sciences at all or theory behind things. This kind of perception is what constitutes the majority of their minds.

We may have to analyze feces, but that's well contained. Alot better than having to deal with it face front or scooping it up on the nursing floors.

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ANGRYWOLF in Jackson, Tennessee

60 months ago

RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan said: LOL...now that's a bold-faced lie! You need to quit. Just admit it's just because you don't want to get off your lazy duff and do anything else! Some MTs go on to become pathologist, researchers, or go into management, etc. You just don't want to put the time in to do anything else. There is much room for advancement. Like any loop hole, find it!

As for some other negative commenters - the gig is up. Most MTs are so afraid their job pool and overtime is going to shrink to nothing that their nervous as all get out, so they look to push as many newcomers and MLTs out the boat as much as they can. You'll always be needed in the hospital so get over the woe it's me attitude! The MLTs are the ones that aren't. Your job is pretty safe and secure so stop whining.

Not a lie joker.

I'm much older than you.

Way too old to go back to school and do anything else.Has nothing to do with laziness.

The number of people who start out as MTs and go back to school to become pathologist is a pretty low number.
You really want to be a lab manager these days ?
Most people that have those jobs hold on to them and they literally have to die for an opening to come up.
Reseachers don't make that much money.Heck reseachers make less money than hospital lab techs. A lot of the pharmaceutical companies are consolidating/scaling back anyway.If you read the phamaceutical news like I do you would know that.

shrugs.
If you like the job fine.
Some of us don't and we have a right to say so and point out flaws and deficiencies in the field.

Maybe someday when you have worked a life time in the field like I have you will understand.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Mr ANGRYWOLF, my hospital the managers come in every 2-5 years and leave, it's like a revolving door! It's nuts---in and out!

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

I still understand why you are pissed ANGRYWOLF, this can be a rough field, and I don't think the salary is up to par compared to other fields. I think this is to blame on the fact that so many states have fought hard against licensure and standards in the field. Even I found out in Illinois that rich pathologists were fighting licensure in the past to keep costs down in the laboratory to make more money. This is an evil practice. They were screwing the very people that were helping them making tons of money in the golden age of pathology that occurred in the 80s. Now there is a bimodal population of medical technologists at most hospitals, the young and the old. I just don't know what the handful of young techs are going to do once the older techs retire in the next 0-10 years.

We literally don't have any qualified replacements. I hope that this is not another chances for standards to fall even lower in the laboratory. We need educated techs more than ever now. :(

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

The only good news is that there will be such a shortage for qualified professionals that salary SHOULD go up. Hospitals will be pitted against each other to compete for qualified technologists.

The bad news will be we will be running even more skeletal crews than we already are. There will be oppurtunities for managers to consider hiring less qualified workers, and chances are with all the hours that are tossed our ways we will have no lives!

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ANGRYWOLF in Knoxville, Tennessee

60 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: Mr ANGRYWOLF, my hospital the managers come in every 2-5 years and leave, it's like a revolving door! It's nuts---in and out!

That RN person made me mad.

They haven't been an MT and they act like they know what the field is like.They're just plain ignorant.

shrugs.

Yes there are exceptions.A pathologist or a hospital admin gets mad at the lab manager and they're gone.
Of course that happens.So does the other extreme...the lab maanager is there until they croak or retire.

I've seen more of the latter than I have the former.

Maybe I was too general in my comments.

I wouldn't be a hospital lab manager if they tripled my salary.Too many ways to slip up. Too many regulations you have to keep track of, from CLIA to JCAHO to CAP and state and other federal regs.

I don't see salaries going up because there's pressure on hospitals to keep prices and costs down.So they are more likely to cut staff...and try to use automation to get more done with fewer people.
Even reference labs will try to automate more and I expect the equipment manufacturers will be offering more deals to assist them with the costs of reagents and other supplies.
I expect even public health labs, which are the worst funded of the three major types will seek to go to more automation although they'll need federal grants to help with the transition.

There are people clamoring and complaining on the unemployed forum about not getting jobs and the recent report that employers are not hiring the unemployed but prefer to hire people away from jobs they have.I don't understand that rationale, but it shows how silly it would be for me or anyone else who is disssatisfied to just quit my job and go back to school when the economy is so bad..if I could afford to do so.I can't but wouldn't if I could It's too risky.

So RN needs to keep his or her mouth shut.

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Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois

60 months ago

Yes, well RN thinks she or he has the answers to all the problems in the world. She can crap on our field all she wants, but again she will never understand or really know what we do everyday. She won't know the good of what happens in the laboratory. From every first blast cell seen, to every antibody caught, to antibiotic susceptibilities that are carefully run and read. She will never know how fast and hard we work to get blood to bleeders---instead she will sit in her workstation and #^%*$ about the laboratory. She will blame everybody for a few bad occurrences in the laboratory. She is short sighted, and dumber than a rock. Hopefully she has big soccer kittens so she can attract a doctor. Other than that she should keep taking orders from doctors, and med techs alike... Can't draw blood? Not my fault go back to school. Stop hemolyzing THE SPECIMENS with your crappy draw techniques!

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

Angrywolf why are you so angry, you almost make some of us new grads feel just as horrible. Positive attitude is important to succeed in whatever it may be. Be glad we don't work fast food, there are people who have it a lot worst.

Like i said there are many negatives on being a nurse as well. Money really doesn't solve anything if your stressed daily and overworked physically/mentally.

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Todd MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas

60 months ago

Rohan, he indicated in a post before that his salary was low and he had to work two jobs. This is the problem with our field, no standards, except for cali (for now till the start using MLTs and reducing wages)

So I will jump on the cali bandwagen if I can get my cali license....they have to change their requirements for MT graduating from other states...if they want to keep standards high, and filling these vacent spots with MT...they have to accept educations for ALL NAACLS ACRED SCHOOLS IN THE US...otherwise they will start to use MLTs in the lab and increase their role...

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CLS48 in California

60 months ago

Todd MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas said: Rohan, he indicated in a post before that his salary was low and he had to work two jobs. This is the problem with our field, no standards, except for cali (for now till the start using MLTs and reducing wages)

So I will jump on the cali bandwagen if I can get my cali license....they have to change their requirements for MT graduating from other states...if they want to keep standards high, and filling these vacent spots with MT...they have to accept educations for ALL NAACLS ACRED SCHOOLS IN THE US...otherwise they will start to use MLTs in the lab and increase their role...


Yes it is kind of sad. Both you and Jake are trying to get CA CLS licenses but can't just because of the internship issue, yet you come from NAACLS programs. I hope they change that requirement soon. I know many middle eastern and filipinio med techs who were easily able to get a CA CLS license due to their education from their countries. It's kind of sad that they can't do the same for the US trained med techs.

There are a lot of vacant CLS spots in CA that need to be filled. Hopefully, they will continue to be filled so that the shortage here does not get too drastic to the point where MLTs gain more power.In any event, even if that does happen, I don't see the MLTs role changing much for the next 10 years since CA is so slow to make changes, and is too worried about its economy.

I'll tell you one thing though. Jerry Brown, the democrat for governor, once lobbied to make only a certificate out of high school the thing needed to work in the lab and release results, not a BS degree. This is simply ridiculous. He also has sued 6 labs in CA for billing practices as attorney general. I hope Meg Whitman beats him in November, or else he might jack up the lab industry as governor.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: Yes, well RN thinks she or he has the answers to all the problems in the world. She can crap on our field all she wants, but again she will never understand or really know what we do everyday. QUOTE]

I do have the answers to all the problems in the forum of this board. Shut up, stop complaining and as i said do something about it! Many of you are paid better than nurses are and don't even have to put up with the same crap and yet you complain like whining children! If you all were so intelligent then go figure out a way to solve your problems instead of spewing meaningless garbage and arguing

Obviously many of you are oblivious about what nurses do completely. Just like nurses don't quite know the lab you don't know our side so stop trying to act like you do. We do have authority that you don't and if we want to have more authority we can go on to become NP's and actually order most labs! Nurses do not need to know the depths of hemolysis or the difference btwn serum and plasma. Secondly idiots, i can tell what hemolysis looks like by signs and symptoms my patient exhibits. Nurses do more of what you can't and are not skilled enough to do. Most MTs have never had A/P and Pathophysiology and probably wouldn't know what presenting signs and symptoms would be if it was to save their own life!! Like it's not completely important to know certain details of nurses work then they don't need to know yours. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Sadly I can tell you all are some miserable people. All you do is complain, dog ppl out, get paid pretty darn well and yet you expect more than some of you are probably worth! Someone on here said it best, grow up! Just because your old as fart doesn't make you wise, judging by some of the stupidity and jealousy on this board.

MT's are respected and those that do the job well we commend you but get over the power trip already.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

We took ANP1&2 as well as path, are you joking me? Don't start compare your pathetic curriculum to ours. It's a well known fact you guys dont even take real ANP, more like "ANP for nursing students" the dumbed down version of organic chemistry and all sorts. We actually sit in class with pharmacy/pa/pre-med students when we took our pre-reqs.

I'd also like to see most nurses go on to become a NP because the truth is that's like saying oh med tech's can go on to become a pathologist or infact ANY higher medical profession because our career is a great stepping stone since we cover ALL basis of core/life sciences unlike you do. Sounds like your just mad a BSN MT knows much more than your average overglorified crap scooper, no offense. Don't try to start anything here, others might take the crap you guys feed towards lab professionals but I certainly won't stand for it and you'll honestly never win this argument with me neither. Btw, if your so smart why didn't you become something better than being a nurse in the first place? Certainly you weren't fit enough to be a doctor instead.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

ANGRYWOLF in Knoxville, Tennessee said: That RN person made me mad.
So RN needs to keep his or her mouth shut.

LMBO!!!! LOL. Now your hilarious. Hence by your name you stay Angry and you probably act like a Wolf at that. Let's get it straight grandpa, since your so much older than me...so you so easily assume! I am not someone who is disinterested in the lab and what goes on there. I am not some disturbed nurse who came on here looking to argue but just found such negativity spewing as soon as i clicked on the link and among them was your idiotic comments!

I may not be as old and from Einstein's era like yourself but like all people it takes time to learn. You weren't born with the knowledge you have so stop acting as though your God's gift to the lab. You can screw up as easily as anybody regardless of age, intelligence or years of experience. And you probably have at one time or another. Just because you've mastered what we call "repetition and memorization" doesn't make you a genius Lol. Any fool should know and have already mastered how to correctly recognize blood cells/microbes under a microscope, identify critical reference ranges, run a plethora of tests (through analyzers and manually), troubleshoot analyzers according to a manual and tests with repetition over 5-20+ years. How in the world is that rocket science. The pathologist is the one who has to do more inductive research into the matter. As a nurse and soon to be MLT to MT(ASCP) i know the bench is mainly analyzers doing the work, repetition, and yeah some critical thinking but technology has greatly changed the way MTs work nowadays. Quit your complaining or just go on and retire since you have so many issues with the field. Oh yeah BTW, once i'm done with my training as an MT i'll probably be sharper than you anyways b/c at least i'll know MORE indepthly of the internal and external manifestations of disease since i deal them and you don't.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York said: We took ANP1&2 as well as path, are you joking me? QUOTE]

Your so young and wet behind the ears it stinks lol. For someone that isn't even an MT yet you sure have a lot to say as though you already really know. I'm not here to win arguements but all the blatant disrespect towards my "other" field is uncalled for. Most MTs are whimps and wouldn't dare say half of what is said here to a nurses face. You have no clue what nursing is and although it can be a crappy job like the lab at times, it has its rewards. To show how misinformed you are...nurses these days rarely "scoop up poop"...that's what we have "nursing assistant's" for. Just like MLTs are MT assistants they are ours. Sounds like you need to go to the floor and see what a real nurse does instead of this hokey pokey stuff your family and others tell you. Your clueless young man.

I like nursing and the positive things it can do if you have a nurse that is hardworking and willing to care. And i like the lab and the fact it helps us get our job done for patients in ways that you can't see. Because i'll have been on both sides of the spectrum as a nurse and MLT/MT i won't complain about the field so much like you all do but will appreciate my work knowing what it produces on ground level. Nurses and doctors can't help their patients heal without knowing what's going on internally most of the time. So be proud of what your work produces even if you don't see the end result, the fact your not being hit with malpractice suits up the waazoo like nurses and doctors, pulling your hair out since your work is so super stressful, and be content with your position and wages and stop complaining like brats. We're all working for so called 'labor of love' salaries.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

By the way, Rohan, most MTs DO NOT take A/P and Patho. Most hospital based programs which are becoming more prevalent do not offer these courses. Maybe at your school, and that's good for you, but not everywhere is this happening. I never understood why MTs were not required to take these courses and at my university it isn't required either! My ex-husband is an MT(ASCP)and although highly intelligent, he had no clue of presenting signs and symptoms of disease and couldn't tell me about the systems of the body and recall a simple question of how many bones and what where in the human body if it were to save his life. Dude didn't even know there are cells in the body that naturally produce small amounts of heparin and he looks at them everyday under a microscope! And lets not ask him anything pharmacology-related, i would probably flunk all of you in toxicology.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

You keep putting nurses and doctors in the same category as if they're almost equal, they hardly are. It's just the doctor who analyzes the results, and btw who would be able to read most of those lab results in greater depth the doc or the med tech? Your very contradicting.

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Todd MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas

60 months ago

RN2ASCP you are living in a fantasy world, trying to compare your classes from a COMMUNITY COLLEGE to UNIVERSITY LEVEL classes....

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

Nope, I took pharmacology, analytical toxicology+lab,pharmacogenomics, etc too many to mention. Not all lab personnel are similar when it comes to education level but there's always a standard minimum. However it's an apparent fact nursing curriculum is easy as pie if you've lived through a rigorous program like mine or any basic general science major such as bio etc. I don't know what hospital based programs your speaking of, but in NYC everyone takes these courses as well as California because we are licensed states.

The reality is, nurses don't assess patients. Doctors do and they can only take your opinion on the matter, what they do with that opinion is entirely based on them and honestly why would they need yours when they're much more knowledgeable in the sense. I've seen way too many dumbfounded nurses but hardly any doctors who are in the same fashion so quit glorifying your old profession for some odd reason.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

If what he's saying is true about nursing courses in a community college, oh lord. Please go away with that trash out that way.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

You have no idea how difficult my program is in my university compared to nursing in a community college, it is laughable to even compare.

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Jake C. in Chicago, Illinois said: Hopefully she has big soccer kittens so she can attract a doctor. !

...LOL thankfully i was blessed with a nice set of soccer kittens. However i'm not the kind of chick that hunts doctors. Most nurses can make more than doctors anyways. Doctors are my kryptonite. I can't stand most of the them now and certainly wouldn't dream of having to put up with one of them once i got off from work everyday! Yuck! Some reason the lab geeks are my vice. :)

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Todd you have no clue about nursing. How can either you or Rohan compare nursing to the lab?!?! Of course nurses don't have to know as much as you do on many fronts but they should know enough to know if something is wrong and help the doc pinpoint what it is! Nurses do assess and by law if they don't we'd all be in jail! That's the first step in the nursing process. You all are so jealous of nurses because we shine most of the time and you don't...lose the self-pity. I'm joining your ranks in a few short years going from the top to the very bottom but that doesn't make me feel any less significant. You all want to turn this into some MT vs. RN battle to feed your egos which obviously must be small if you must keep pointing out how very smart you are. Those are some deep seeded issues no one can help you with but a therapist!

BTW ROHAN do some research on university programs and compare them to your university. I go to a prestigious university and their courses DO NOT require Pharm/Patho/A&P/etc, and their success rate on the ASCP exam and job performance would knock your socks off. I think it is wise for an MLT/MT to take those courses regardless if they are offered or not. But all you have is a bunch of book smarts but don't know how to use it because the job doesn't require all that. So i hope your willing to go higher than MT(ASCP).

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

60 months ago

May I ask why your changing from being an RN to an MT?

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RN2ASCP in Riverview, Michigan

60 months ago

Sure Rohan. I'm doing it mainly for a lot of personal career reasons. It's a field that leads to many possibilities. I want to do research and I believe it will make me a well-rounded practitioner. Both as an MT and a nurse. It is vital to have razor sharp assessment skills as a nurse. Being an MT for me would mean knowing not only what is physically wrong with a patient but give me more indepth understanding of what is happening physiologically. Nursing is becoming so extensively advanced...soon we'll be required to know even more than what we are required to know now especially on the laboratory end. Nursing research is huge and many nurses are already conducting genetic/ stem cell research and helping find cures for many ailments. Nurses are doing procedures more and more these days also that require laboratory/radiographic knowledge. We're like ants...we're everywhere. Move aside world...We're taking over!!! LOL j/k :)

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Jake C. in Plainfield, Illinois

60 months ago

LOL RN is going nuts again, but AT LEAST we confirmed she has nice soccer kittens!

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Jake C. in Plainfield, Illinois

60 months ago

can we have a link to your facebook page?

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