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Simple Me in Los Angeles, California

67 months ago

At our hospital the phlebotomists get awards all the time and get to go on the big stage. Whoopee thank God I don't stick any longer like in the old days. They are visible and they are rewarded.

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CLS48 in California

67 months ago

Larry in Richardson, Texas said: I thought all the MT ASCP's just sat back and verified the MLT's results, took all the credit and drank lattes. Maybe nurses make more than MT's after all.

Larry, that's pretty much all we do and our range of pay is $30 to $46 depending on experience. However, they don't let us drink lattes in the lab, that's done on break. I usually enjoy reading a magazine. Nurses start at $30 and make all the way to $50 with specialization and so forth.

So no, nurses really don't get more than us where I'm at.

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LazaroRGonzalez in Miami, Florida

67 months ago

I think California is the state who pay better to the MT but out side of there no body pass from $30/hour and this is the top of the banana and fron there you will not received more salary increase. They give to you a bonus and this bonus is optinal. If you sneze at the lab you will lost your bonuses.
I am to old but I recomend to all you if you want respect you have to fight for it and if you want money ... The lab is not the place because is the sicker part of the hospital.
The Laboratorians have to make a Union or other Organization to represent them. I fell sorry for the Lab people who is resignate to they fate. Good loock.

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vincent in New York, New York

67 months ago

Larry in Richardson, Texas said: I thought all the MT ASCP's just sat back and verified the MLT's results, took all the credit and drank lattes. Maybe nurses make more than MT's after all.

MT have to perform alot of all, and drinking and eating are not allow in LAB >___<

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arif in New Delhi, India

67 months ago

The MT jobs are really dignity based work but we MT's are not treated as important part of medical feild as given 2 a Doctor & Nurses.

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kavithasaravanan in Kennesaw, Georgia

67 months ago

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I have my masters degree in biochemistry from india and 3 years work experience as a MLT from my place.I got my MEDICAL TECHNOLOGIST certification from AMT IN FEB.Will this be enough to get a job in U.S or do i need anything else?

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Dr. Kulkarni in Bradenton, Florida

67 months ago

Yes that should be enough, but you should check with your license board. Good Luck.

kavithasaravanan in Kennesaw, Georgia said: I HAVE A QUESTION.

I have my masters degree in biochemistry from india and 3 years work experience as a MLT from my place.I got my MEDICAL TECHNOLOGIST certification from AMT IN FEB.Will this be enough to get a job in U.S or do i need anything else?

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Daphne in Miami, Florida

67 months ago

I'm about to start the MT program in august. After reading all these i am really worried. Is it really that bad? I have an AA degree and tranfering to the program i thought was a great move. Now i don't know what to do.

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Lazaro R Gonzalez Mino. in Miami, Florida

67 months ago

Well every thing depending of what you want. I the United States te science never paid unless you are Bombrown or Einstain. If you want to be respect and apreciate $$$$ to be a MT is not the answer. The carrer who give $atisfaction are the carrer relacionate to the money Finacing, Acountan, etc. If you want to do something amusing the arts is the answer but you have to have talent to be an actor, designer, producer, painter, sculptor, etc.
If you want bought by politician is the field.
We live in the same city if you want more information e-mail me.
Profesor LazaroRGonzalez@msn.com

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kavithasaravanan in Kennesaw, Georgia

67 months ago

Thank you Dr.kulkarni.License is not required in the state of georgia.

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future MT in Syracuse, New York

65 months ago

I was wondering if Medical Technologists are offered overtime like in most nursing specialties & how much usually? I'd be willing to work at least 12 to 20 hrs overtime. And if not, do any of you guys take on a second job (part time or full time if crazy enough lol), I'm thinking it would be easy to since most hospitals offer all 3 shifts and there are a ton of jobs out there. You shouldn't just look at these kinda websites like indeed or monster, just about every hospital in major cities have openings for med technologists. And it seems that yes the pay is kinda lousy, but it's def worth it if you got your degree at a state university with out having so much student loan debt. You guys shouldn't compare this to nursing, try comparing it to staff biologists or industrial chemists jobs. The pay is about the same or less than for entry level medical technologists.

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Leslie in Boston, Massachusetts

63 months ago

okay, here's the deal. Med Techs do not get paid as well as RNs for two reasons:

one: there is no patient contact per se so therefore the job is less demanding in that respect. We get the "luxury" of not having to deal with cranky, sick, smelly people so that definitely has an impact on pay.

two: as long as MLTs are allowed to work side by side with MTs, our salaries will be lower. There has to be a point where hospitals will only accept highly skilled, well-trained MTs whose degrees come from a Medical Laboratory Science program offering a BS. Hospitals are willing to let anyone work in the lab as long as they have a few "real" techs to oversee the hacks. Anyone with any type of science degree can go and work as a tech in a hospital and if they are willing to train you in three areas of the clinical lab you can now sit for the certification exam. So if have management that will vouch that you are trained in certain areas, and you can study for the exam, well now you can sit for the specialist exam and voila- you are now paid the same as someone who studied what amounts to pre-med for four years and has the theory behind her. Herein is our biggest obstacle. I see it all the time. We have to stop letting anyone and everyone into our profession. Get the specialized education like I did!

Oh yeah, a union would be helpful too. as well as national licensure. In Mass, you don't have to be licensed to be a analyze patient samples in a clincal lab but if you want to be a hairdresser, the state requries you to be liseced.

that's my take.

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Leslie in Boston, Massachusetts

63 months ago

oh one more thing- we have to start demanding higher salaries. I was recently offered a job for $25.00 an hour and turned it down. Luckily I am not completely desperate. That's chump change for my skills and talent as far as I'm concerned. I get compensated into the mid thirties with 11 years experience. If we all drew a line in the sand then employers would have no choice. Which leads me back to my second point in the above post. As long as underskilled and undereducated people are allowed to pose as MTs, we won't have much recourse.

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MassTek66 in Massachusetts

63 months ago

We absolutely need a UNION to bring us all together; we can't fight as individuals and we shouldn't be fighting and denigrating each other. We are all in this mess together. The hospital I used to work in had a union vote and it was voted down by a slim margin; what a disappointment! we were bought out and ripped apart and re-offered jobs at low-balled wages. Between that and mergers, I'm shocked I'm still a Med Tech. My current hospital is unhealthy...too much $$$ for nurses and bigwigs; and they have the balls to come to us and say "what can the LAB do to cut back??" HUH? the lab MAKES MONEY, you IDIOTS! Why don't you just kill the goose who's laying your golden eggs? I'm sick of it but I'm too old to leave the field and start something new. All I can do is hang on till I've paid off bills and then go per diem and work when I damn well please.

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Usnom BS MT ASCP CLS NCA in Athens, Georgia

63 months ago

This field has NO VOICE, it is run by the PATHOLOGIST, that will NEVER ADVOCIATE for the lab. I have been trying to get the hell out ever since I graduated from my MT program.

I just need a good PCAT score, then I am going into pharmacy, were the pharmacist control the profession, not the MD's, hence the 50/hour salary.

This will forever be a STEPPING STONE, all the bright minds leaving this profession for profession not run by MD's, pharmacy, physical therapy.

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lisa in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

I don't have a problem with RN's making more than me. They have to work with patients, which is something I simply can not do. It's not that I don't like people, but that I can't distance myself from their pain and fear. It gnaws at me to the point where I just want to go sob for a few hours in a dark closet. I know this because I did a lot of clinical contact volunteering when I thought I wanted to be an M.D. I'm glad I took the time to do it and learned before I committed to the expense of the MCAT, applications fees, and had I been accepted, the staggering cost of tuition.

I don't have a problem with the current rate of pay for MT's in my state--it's about 10% higher than what I made in academic research as a technician. I'm happy with a decent rate of pay for doing something I like to do a lot (be at the bench). I like machines, I like data entry, I like wet bench work, I like molecular work...I can't even tell you, now that I'm in a CLS program, which specialty I like best.

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amanda in Chicago, Illinois

63 months ago

Hi I am doing a career project in school on being a medical technologist..? You are one correct? I was wondering,if you have any time could I interview you about your career? I would have to do this within a week. Please email me:amandaquinn20@yahoo.com with your decision thank you sincerely, Amanda Quinn

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CLS48 in California

63 months ago

lisa in Las Vegas, Nevada said: I don't have a problem with RN's making more than me. They have to work with patients, which is something I simply can not do. It's not that I don't like people, but that I can't distance myself from their pain and fear.

I make the same amount as a staff RN which is not specialized. I don't agree with the above argument. CLSs should make more because we have a higher education and more knowledge. Without our results, doctors and nurses would be irrelevant to patients. RNs just have a larger lobby and many are unionized so that's why their pay is higher.

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ifwishwerehorses in Centereach, New York

63 months ago

CLS48 in California said: I make the same amount as a staff RN which is not specialized. I don't agree with the above argument. CLSs should make more because we have a higher education and more knowledge. Without our results, doctors and nurses would be irrelevant to patients. RNs just have a larger lobby and many are unionized so that's why their pay is higher.

u are the only poster i pretty much listen to. you offer fair insights, and place facts over more opinionated thoughts. you also possess a vast knowledge of the profession. i think you are capable of starting a www.clsforum.com or something similar!

and your right - Did Nurses have to take Biochemistry with medical students!

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CLS48 in California

63 months ago

Thanks. I actually thought about starting a CLS forum, but I'd have to have my own server and it costs alot of money.

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ifwishwerehorses in Centereach, New York

63 months ago

CLS48 in California said: Thanks. I actually thought about starting a CLS forum, but I'd have to have my own server and it costs alot of money.

lol true, and with varied cls salaries, there won't be much donations from users! but really, i didn't know u needed to purchase a server.

by the way, how much do technicans generally make around the bay area? i am from new york, and plan to move around there with my fiance soon. i plan to be cls, but if not accepted i might just finish with a technican degree.

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Kevin in Arlington, Texas

63 months ago

This field is not regulated at all. Here is Texas it varies hospital to hospital. One hospital I worked at in Austin, MLT's could not work by themselves, there had to be one MT working at all times.

A couple of hours down the road in Dallas, MLT can work by themselves.

The only thing have seen is that MLT cannot be a department supervisor or lab director.

But this state has no regulation at all hence the 20-25/hour salary of MT with 5-10 year experience, if you ask for more they think your crazy.

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Tommy Nguyen in Houston, Texas

62 months ago

I'm currently an ASCP Certified MLT. I recently got back from Iraq in late August. I have roughly less than a year of experience under my belt before I deployed for 2 deployments back to back. I moved to Houston to go to school--working towards my BSMT-- and thinking I would easily find a job as a lab tech... Well, 2 months passed, several resumes submitted and only one interview... and no job. I have been living on my savings from my deployment and I have a few more months left before I go broke. It really is sucking...

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ANGRYWOLF in Jackson, Tennessee

62 months ago

Tommy Nguyen in Houston, Texas said: I'm currently an ASCP Certified MLT. I recently got back from Iraq in late August. I have roughly less than a year of experience under my belt before I deployed for 2 deployments back to back. I moved to Houston to go to school--working towards my BSMT-- and thinking I would easily find a job as a lab tech... Well, 2 months passed, several resumes submitted and only one interview... and no job. I have been living on my savings from my deployment and I have a few more months left before I go broke. It really is sucking...

You may have to relocate.

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Penelope in San Francisco, California

59 months ago

Larry in Richardson, Texas said: You're a professor?
Why, just because of education alone, would you think the lab should be paid as well as nurses? They had to come up with something for the 3 year degree and those courses seemed the most technical.

Oh my! Aren't you ignorant!!
The following paragraph is part of an article in the WSJ.com (Mar 13, 2009) by Laura Landro
STAFF SHORTAGES IN LABS MAY PUT PATIENTS AT RISK
"Toiling in Obscurity"
Lab workers toil in obscurity deep in the bowels of most hospitals, and most people don't know much about the field, says Carol Wells, director of the clinical laboratory sciences program at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. "Everyone knows what a nurse does, but no one sees the workers in the laboratory, who are highly trained and execute the tests that are responsible for about 70% to 80% of all diagnostic and treatment decisions made by physicians," Dr. Wells says. "If we disappeared for a day or two, health care would grind to a halt."

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Ariana in Gibsonton, Florida

59 months ago

I would just like to point out, because it seems that some of you don't understand, that the equivalent of a MLT in the nursing world is a LPN (even though LPN's only have to have one year of schooling). The equivalent of a MT is a RN. So, for all of you that think that MLT's are driving down wages, just remember that LPN's don't drive down wages. They make less than RN's do, but work side by side. The lab directors simply don't care to pay you what you think you are worth (which is more than you are actually worth).

Do not compare MT's to RN's. MT's don't have any of the stress that RN's have to deal with on a daily basis. Lab work isn't stressful. Sure, you might have to work quickly, but you're not running from patient to patient constantly because you were given too many patients. You're not staying an hour or more after your shift to finish charting your patients. You also don't have to deal with family members. That's one of the most stressful, heinous parts of a RN's job. You are DELUSIONAL if you think you should make as much as a RN. You're mostly punching buttons at a machine. The only life and death area in the lab would be blood bank(even this is mostly punching buttons or dropping drops), and I'm sure most of you don't work it.

I would also like to point out the fact that LPN's and RN's take two different tests just like MLT's and MT's do. The test is based on the skill level of the taker. This is why LPN's earn LESS than RN's(even though they basically do the same job), and MLT's earn less than MT's. Yeah, so I hope that clarifies it for those that think a MLT and a MT should take the same test. Ludicrous.

You should just be glad you have a job and stop whining about your current salary. There are many people running around out there with Bachelor's degrees that CAN'T find a job in this economy. Stop trying to be snobby because you spent four years in college. Do you know how many people did the same thing???

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Joe, MLS(ASCP)SM in Tulsa, Oklahoma

59 months ago

You are delusional if you think you should make as much as a RN??? How about equal compensation for equal contribution. I’m often curious why nurses tend to find offense in the notion of MTs being compensated appropriately. After all, we should both be looking at pharmacists, they are pulling in 100K+ for “counting pills.”

The truth is, MTs have a different kind of stress. Laboratorians handle the stress of satisfying simultaneous demands for accuracy and speed. MTs and MLTs must function every day at peak mental fitness and altertness in order to avoid fatal mistakes, oversights or "sentinal events." If our work is anything less than flawless, doctors and nurses could end up pursuing the wrong course of treatment. A mismatched blood product, misidentified blood or CSF culture isolate, abberant susceptibility, or unrecognized specimen hemolysis are all "sentinal events" that may result in the death of a patient. Unlike other departments, the laboratory has no other party to misplace blame onto as medical errors by physicians and nurses are often placed on the laboratory since the lab isn't there at the patient’s bedside to defend itself. But the entire healthcare system still looks to the laboratory for the final answer. You can't have a foggy or off day as an MT, come in to work, and trivialize the diagnostic process. The results produced by medical technologists are responsible for 70 to 80% of medical decisions. Patients can't be admitted, diagnosed, treated, relocated, and finally released without the supporting evidence from the laboratory.

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Joe, MLS(ASCP)SM in Tulsa, Oklahoma

59 months ago

The views expressed by the previous poster represent the biggest misconceptions about this field. First, since there is a growing shortage of laboratorians, most MTs do put in a significant amount of overtime to compensate for staffing shortages. Also, we DO deal with patients and families directly. MTs that work in small doctor's office stat labs often act as phlebotomists are well. MTs in microbiology often collect PNP, nasal, and throat specimens on outpatients sent by doctor‘s offices. And, patients and families often call the laboratory (they are listed in the phone book) for results when physicians refuse to go into specifics with them. As the laboratory cannot give results to anyone but a clinician, this often results in irate patients or families and sometimes even death threats.

I would rather not stoop this low, but this simply is the best way to express this: If MTs simply “push buttons” then nurses do nothing but “wipe asses.” In reality, both are a far cry from the truth. It is so easy to underestimate the complexity and stress involved in another line of work. The only department where MTs even do a lot of “button pushing” is chemistry, and even here there is a lot more than meets the eye. Microbiologists are probably the best example. These MTs use a wealth of knowledge, critical thinking, and a complex set of manual (non-automated) methods and techniques to identify pathogenic bacteria, fungi, mycobacteria, parasites, and viruses. Microbiologists have to be familiar with 1000s of pathogenic and non-pathogenic, commensal microorganisms and be able to determine what in a mixed culture of multiple organisms is significant considering the specimen source, patient’s immune status, and underlying conditions. This doesn’t even include susceptibility testing, drugs of choice, antibiograms, and epidemiological issues or agents of bioterrorism that must be recognized before they are even identified.

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Joe, MLS(ASCP)SM in Tulsa, Oklahoma

59 months ago

If this is what you call “button pushing” then that is one complex button. We may be behind the scenes, but we work just as hard as nurses, physicians, and other members of the divided healthcare “team” to improve patients’ health and quality of life. This phenomenon is not unique to healthcare. Directors, producers, cameramen and other filmmakers work diligently behind the scenes to produce movies such as Avatar only to have others take the spotlight. But in the end, what would the film have been without the brains behind the scenes?

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SH in Fredericksburg, Virginia

59 months ago

LazaroRGonzalez in Miami, Florida said: I read several of your comments. I want to answer to you directly.
1) When a man is hiden under a ficticius name is less than a roach.
My name is Profesor Lazaro R Gonzalez and my e-mail is LazaroRGonzalez@msn.com
Will you dare to place your real name and e-mail?

You're a professor?? You can't even make a complete sentence, and my 4th grade teacher made sure our class could at least write correctly and finish a proper thought. Professor of what? Where? Lord help us, if you're a professor.

If you are, then next time you consider posting on the internet, please remove your oven mitts. Also, as you make substantive claims, particularly when you reference a hospital's fiscal position, support your position with real data and information we can reference...hospitals don't make Zillions...

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Mitch, MLS

58 months ago

This forum is really interesting but it seems a lot of you guys just complain and nothing else. What ahve you done recently to improve teh profession or to raise the status of MLS/MLT in your lab??? If you are not part of teh solution my friends you definitely are part of the problem. Plain and simple.

There is a great blog on ADVACE website. Y'all should visit and add your comments. Plus the level of discussion is definitely higher there than it is on here.

community.advanceweb.com/blogs/mt_2/default.aspx

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CLS48 in California

58 months ago

Advance is a good site, but the comments provide a rosy view of the laboratory. This forum, because of its anonymity, allows laboratorians to really express how they feel including their thoughts on salary and standards in the lab. I'd prefer to see the reality of things rather than a view that might not be as true.

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Todd BS MT (ASCP) in Lewisville, Texas

58 months ago

Mitch advance is ok, mainly you are promted to respond based on the article, you cannot create your topic like you can do on this site.

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MLS in Gulfport, Mississippi

56 months ago

Ariana in Gibsonton, Florida

with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. Check out an MT curriculum and see how it compares to your own. Also,our job is extremely stressful, so you are wrong there too. You, like most others, have no idea what this career entails. Have you ever heard of Microbiology? Can you identify bacterial cultures by genus and species at a glance and based on biochemical results? How about fungal cultures? Have you heard of hematology? Can you identify blood cells at different stages of the red and white cell lineage. Try looking at a bone marrow and differentiated the cells. Have you heard of Chemistry? You see, whe you "put things on the machine" you have to understand why you are doing what you are doing, because guess what, everyday hundreds of samples are abnormal and WE have to figure out why based on our knowledge of the testing theory and body chemistry. Have you heard of immunology? Do you know what kind of skill it takes to perform a Western Blot, Souther Blot, Antinuclear antibodies and many other tests? Oh yes, and you comment about blood banK, LOL. Do you really think that we can trust a machine to perform ABO's, RH,antibody screens, antibody id's, Fetal screen, ANTOBODY PANELS?????? Are you kidding me? Automation in blood bank is PURELY confirmational. Your attitude simply conveys your ignorance and its the reason why many MLS's feel the way they do. You should really educate yourself before making such a passionate comment on a subject you know nothing about.

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jojo in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

56 months ago

really tho MT job isn't that stressful. I'm currently finishing my rotations and for most labs except for hem and bloodbank, things get really slow after awhile. Mind you, I'm in a large hospital in Philadelphia. It's only busy on monthly QC days really. I guess bloodbank is more stressful because it has the most impact on the patient, just a little bit of unmatched blood during transfusion is enough to kill. But anyways, MLS, nursing, as well as just about all allied health care jobs are pretty easy in my opinion, all of which don't really need a bachelors degree since it can easily be taught with 6 months of on the job training. Of course our education system is in it for the money, which is why they have 4 year degrees for something that can be taught in half a year or less.

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jojo in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

56 months ago

MLS in Gulfport, Mississippi said: Ariana in Gibsonton, Florida

western blot, southern blot?? LOOL those things are the easiest things to do. I did them myself. The hard part is what the PI has to do (the big picture), not the techs. You can train a monkey to do those things. This is why things are getting automated.

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

56 months ago

[QUOTE who="But anyways, MLS, nursing, as well as just about all allied health care jobs are pretty easy in my opinion, all of which don't really need a bachelors degree since it can easily be taught with 6 months of on the job training. Of course our education system is in it for the money, which is why they have 4 year degrees for something that can be taught in half a year or less.

JoJo,

It is that kind of attitude that will force every other health care professional to deem the CLS role in healthcare to be somewhat unimportant and expendable. Hospitals will agree with your statements, and if left to their own devices might even lay-off CLSs so that they can hire some average JOE off the street without a 4 year BS degree and give them 6 months on the job training.

I mean c'mon, seriously, can you run this country as President, and make executive decisions regarding our military, economic, political, and global standing with your advisory cabinet and commitee to support, guide and provide you with only 6 months of on the job training?! of course! But as a US CITIZEN would you want to have a President representing you to the rest of the world who only has a high school diploma or an Associates degree. PROBABLY NOT. OR I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU DO NOT WANT THAT.

It is the same thing in the laboratory community. We should all want our CLSs to be educated with at least a BS degree or even prefer them to hold MS degrees as well. They or YOU or I, when I finish, will be representing the profession and its importance. So I think that higher education should be mandated.

Lastly, our education system maybe in it for they money, but there is soemthing to be said when countries all over the world send their children and their representatives HERE to study and obtain doctoral degrees so that they can return that knowledge to better their home nations.

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jojo in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

55 months ago

"I mean c'mon, seriously, can you run this country as President, and make executive decisions regarding our military, economic, political, and global standing with your advisory cabinet and commitee to support, guide and provide you with only 6 months of on the job training?! of course! But as a US CITIZEN would you want to have a President representing you to the rest of the world who only has a high school diploma or an Associates degree."

CLS hopeful,

I don't equate what degree you got for level of competence. Book smarts doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Many people who work in the lab didn't even go to school for CLS. Many states don't require it as long as you have a bachelors in something with some science background. But here lies the point, that science background is rarely useful for diagnostic laboratory subjects. I learn more from my clinical rotations than I did from class work. I'm not trying to belittle the CLS profession. Sure I believe there's alot to learn, but I don't think it requires a bachelors degree and in my opinion i don't think it's all that difficult. Similarly I don't see why Med School requires so many years, 4 yrs plus residency when you compare it to Physician Assistant that only needs 2 yrs, but a PA or NP is usually the one you see when seeing your family "doctor". And most people see only their family doctor not a specialist. I wish programs were more specialized, "liberal" education really doesn't amount to much. So what you take a class in western civ, when will you use that as a Medical Technologist? You know what I mean? People think that just because they have a higher degree they're entitled to a higher salary. I don't think so. As long as you are competent enough, pass the boards, you should be able to work in that profession regardless of going to college or not. With the internet age people can teach themselves if they aspire too.

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Tim S. in Chicago, Illinois

55 months ago

LOL-This could be the best post I have ever read! From your logic we should just give a new pilot a guide book to a 747, he can skim it, and we will throw him up in a jetliner tomorrow with let's just say 150 people? Well at least, you aren't working a job where people's lives are in jeapordy, it's just the medical field!!.... Wait a minute.

No, but I had a great laugh. Don't kill anybody. No but seriously, I hope your copilot is a good teacher. The truth of the matter is a lot of people can be techs. I know a high school educated one. I asked her in my early days as a tech if this was a RBC cast, she looked at me and said "Tim, it doesn't matter what it is.", and walked away. It's the things you don't see, and it's the stories that aren't told that will eventually catch up with the hospitals. There has to be a line, and an education is a good starting place.

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CLS-HOPEFUL in California

55 months ago

JoJo,

I do see some of your point. You ask, what is the point of spending a semester or quarter learning about how a plant has a cell wall and an animal cell does not. Is that what you mean? I suppose, in your perspective, if you can "skip" all the unnecessary academic "fluff," you can basically just finish your career training in 2 years instead of 4. Is that right? Because You mentioned that "book smarts does not mean you know what you are doing." THAT IS TRUE. I believe you. BUT it does show that you have proven that you can LEARN WHAT YOU WILL BE LEARNING.

You see JoJO,it seems you have missed the whole point of earning your undergraduate degree. When I graduated, the speaker during the commencement speech told us that the most fundamental lesson absorbed from the last 4 years is that you went to college to "learn to learn." You spend the first 2 years taking classes like western civilization and basic biology to help you find your niche, trigger a passion, discover a major that to you is WORTH studying. That is why they call it taking your GEs or General Education.

Honestly though, if you took a regular high school senior, an average 18 year old, then told him he/her is going straight to PA school, finish in 2 years, and hit the ground running diagnosing patients, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT HE OR SHE WILL SURVIVE THOSE 2 YEARS? Unless the kid is Doogie Howser, which can happen but is extremely rare, an 18 year old kid will not last in Medical School straight out of high school, even if you had it cut down to only 3 years of study. I mean some people take general biology or chem 101 and wash out. Why? Because some are just not ready to spend the time studying it and others do not even want to try because their passions lie elsewhere. My point is that there is more to just taking random, pointless classes during someone's undergraduate career. It is not a waste of 4 years of your time.

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Sam Kaiserblade in Venice, Florida

55 months ago

A lot of what JoJO is saying makes sense. Colleges just wanna keep people in school to make money. You should already know "how to learn" before you go to college. I found a lot of college to be repetition of many things I learned in high school. It's too expensive to be requiring students to take "fluff" classes.

I laugh when I see some of the professions that now are requiring PHD. 6 years to be a pharmacist, please. They just wanna create a shortage to drive salary up and its a good deal for the universities to keep students in longer so everyone wins.

We need an education system much more specialized that allows people to get into the work force faster, especially now with so many people needing to reinvent themselves.

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BB in San Mateo, California

55 months ago

Sam Kaiserblade in Venice, Florida said: A lot of what JoJO is saying makes sense. Colleges just wanna keep people in school to make money. You should already know "how to learn" before you go to college. I found a lot of college to be repetition of many things I learned in high school. It's too expensive to be requiring students to take "fluff" classes.

I laugh when I see some of the professions that now are requiring PHD. 6 years to be a pharmacist, please. They just wanna create a shortage to drive salary up and its a good deal for the universities to keep students in longer so everyone wins.

We need an education system much more specialized that allows people to get into the work force faster, especially now with so many people needing to reinvent themselves.

The purpose of those "fluff classes" is to have a well-rounded education. If you want specialized education then go to a private technical "school" and get your "bachelors" in two years.

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Rohan in Fresh Meadows, New York

55 months ago

Frankly I never found any of the core/fluff classes useful and only an annoyance when I had to deal with my major science courses..

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KM, MS MB(ASCP) in Clayton, North Carolina

55 months ago

I didn't mind taking the core science classes. Actually I think they are necessary so that you have the knowledge to build on once you get to the more advanced classes and more difficult concepts. I certainly felt like I benefited from taking the intro level science classes. However, taking the general studies classes, like "women's studies" or "intro to theater" was a total waste of my time, and did nothing to help me become a better scientist. In my home country (one of the Scandinavian countries), general studies program is not included in the college curriculum, and you only take the classes directly related to your major. Also, a bachelor's degree is non-existent, and after 4 years the students earn a Master's degree.

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Jennifer in Hillsboro, Oregon

55 months ago

nicole in Norfolk, Virginia said: That's the problem...We, as MTs, don't have a union. I think organizing a union would be a great idea.

Nicole, I am with ya! Now... where do we begin?

I have absolutely no idea how unions work, but it really does seem to be our only option. I just reviewed my Hospitals policy on differentials. MT's DO NOT get weekend differentials, short notice differentials, or extra shift differentials. RN's, LPN's, CNA's, Unit Secretaries, and Nursing Aids ALL GET THESE DIFFERENTIALS. We lost our short notice differential last year due to the hospital being in the red.. but no one else lost the short notice differential. MT's salaries were also frozen, while RN's and those mentioned above got their yearly + cost of living raises.

I once had a manager inform me that MT's do not create unions because we are professionals and there are sick people to consider. If we went on strike, people could die. hmm.. When RN's go on strike, people don't die because the hospital is forced to give them what they want/need.

RN's have a very difficult job, they do deserve everything they have fought for. I am hoping someday MT's will also get everything we WILL fight for.

I see no ethical problem in a MT union, does anyone else?

Ariana in Gibsonton, Florida.. Are you a MT?? Do you work in an unstressful lab? (impossible - FYI).. You should reconsider posting on forums, forever. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Tim S. in Chicago, Illinois

55 months ago

Jennifer in Hillsboro, Oregon said: Nicole, I am with ya! Now... where do we begin?

I have absolutely no idea how unions work, but it really does seem to be our only option. I just reviewed my Hospitals policy on differentials. MT's DO NOT get weekend differentials, short notice differentials, or extra shift differentials. RN's, LPN's, CNA's, Unit Secretaries, and Nursing Aids ALL GET THESE DIFFERENTIALS. We lost our short notice differential last year due to the hospital being in the red.. but no one else lost the short notice differential. MT's salaries were also frozen, while RN's and those mentioned above got their yearly + cost of living raises.

I once had a manager inform me that MT's do not create unions because we are professionals and there are sick people to consider. If we went on strike, people could die. hmm.. When RN's go on strike, people don't die because the hospital is forced to give them what they want/need.

RN's have a very difficult job, they do deserve everything they have fought for. I am hoping someday MT's will also get everything we WILL fight for.

I see no ethical problem in a MT union, does anyone else?

Ariana in Gibsonton, Florida.. Are you a MT?? Do you work in an unstressful lab? (impossible - FYI).. You should reconsider posting on forums, forever. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

No, I don't but implementation, and organization are a whole different issue. I would be for it, but how? Most techs are just trying to finish up their last 5-10 years that I know. Can't unite people to a cause when they are about ready to hit the fire exit-Know what I'm saying?

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aquarius34

55 months ago

Hey guys there is some truth in these posts, but Lord, some of you are so negative. Do something to better your life to better the profession. Life is what you make it. Read this post

community.advanceweb.com/blogs/mt_2/archive/2010/06/05/a-screw-in-your-tire.aspx

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ANGRYWOLF in Knoxville, Tennessee

55 months ago

That's a silly stement aquarius.People have already discussed on other threads how to improve the profession.

A union would be nice, not controlled by pathologists.

State laws governing the roles of med techs and technicians so the hospitals would be forced to pay the techs more and not subsitute technicians for medical technologists.

It has been said before.Unfortunately MDs control our profession.

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daffy0383 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

55 months ago

Thank you!!! I've really enjoyed that little post. You are so positive. We need more people like you on this site

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JD in Sioux City, Iowa

54 months ago

I find this forum to be extremely interesting and informative, with some very thoughtful arguments.

To aquarius and others who see this forum as "negative, whiny, or snobby", please go make lemonade elsewhere. We are not children needing little lessons on positivity.

It is a privilege that we have such technology that enables us to connect by profession...voicing our concerns and debating current issues.

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