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anna009 in Quezon City, Philippines

45 months ago

i guess it would be fine to live in a small town, i mean how bad is that? i think you guys are lucky to be already there, living in the states.

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

45 months ago

You could also try Rite Aid, but they are usually very busy and poorly staffed. Lots of over stressed pharmacy staff there. But maybe it's better these days.

Problem is that the USA pharmacist shortage is largely over, especially in retail. This problem will only worsen over the next year or two as schools are pumping out too many pharmacist. Texas seems to have more jobs from what I can see. Canada also might be a good spot to look. Canadians are a good bunch of people too.

Good luck!

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

45 months ago

Tuff decision. But I can tell you that I have driven up to 2 hours from my house for work as a pharmacist. The amount of work available has really changed for the worse.

If you choose pharmacy, a double major in Business would be helpful to get work for a pharmaceutical company. BE REALLY CAREFUL NOT TO GRADUATE WITH TOO MUCH DEBT. It sounds like you may already have some student loans to worry about. It maybe harder to find work in either field than you think. ARNP, PA-C are better choices in my opinion.

I also believe pharmacist pay will be decreasing very soon. I have even taken work that pays 10% less than it did 2 years ago. That is if you are even able to find work.

Hospital pharmacy is a possible bright spot in the moment- but that really depends on your work experience and where you apply.

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matot in Philippines

45 months ago

I am a Registered Pharmacist here in the Philippines working for more than seven years in a retail drugstore. I want to apply in Singapore for a change and for a higher salary.Anybody who can guide me or give some details in applying in Singapore? Anybody who knows an agency who is hiring ?
thank you .....

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FarmInc in Paramus, New Jersey

45 months ago

Yes, saturated market. Been a hospital RPh for over 15 years, but need p/t with benefits! Anyone have experience in NY city (I remember reading comments about how VERY stressful it is to work in a NYcity hospital vs. Florida)? I have a license in NJ, but is it worth it to get a licence in NY--I frequently see listings (if, in fact, they are accurate) for NYC? Crossing the bridge can be difficult at times w/ traffic. Anyone with ideas or comments? Reading about Retail is quite depressing...sounds like you are treated like a fast-food chain.

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yardleyed

45 months ago

Pharmacy--bad but getting much worse! The effect of all the new graduates has not yet been fully felt!

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20 years in Miami Beach, Florida

44 months ago

FarmInc in Paramus, New Jersey said: Yes, saturated market. Been a hospital RPh for over 15 years, but need p/t with benefits! Anyone have experience in NY city (I remember reading comments about how VERY stressful it is to work in a NYcity hospital vs. Florida)? I have a license in NJ, but is it worth it to get a licence in NY--I frequently see listings (if, in fact, they are accurate) for NYC? Crossing the bridge can be difficult at times w/ traffic. Anyone with ideas or comments? Reading about Retail is quite depressing...sounds like you are treated like a fast-food chain.

I'm the ex-NYC hospital pharmacist who resides in FL now. I just spoke with 2 NYC hospital pharmacist friends (ex-coworkers) ~ 3 months ago and they told me 2 large hospitals recently closed in NYC and for the first time there is no retail chain opening in NYC!!! One hospital I use to work for, St. Vincent's (900 beds).

Do you have any contacts with pharmacist associations in NYC; they're a good source for jobs. I wish you lots of luck.

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retailiskillinme in Westminster, Maryland

44 months ago

purple76 in Dover, Delaware said: I graduated pharmacy school in 2005 and has worked for the same retail chain since. I am miserable at my job and so frustrated with the way things are. Because of the economy I am forced to stay put. I know one thing for sure, there is no way I can stay in this field for 30 years. I simple won't make it. I owe $120,000 in student loans just to lick and stick and be nothing more than a customer service representative. That is the entire focus of my company: customer service index and of course getting prescription ready in 10mins. It seems like because we are paid well in retail,they expect us to be super human. How can I work for 12 hrs, no schedule lunch or break, 1 or 2 untrained help, high volume rx, phones ringing off the hoke, drive thru, counceling,free advice to anyone who calls or walks in,10min wait time, insurance issue, rude customers, and the list goes on. There is no more respect for the pharmacist any longer. This is so sad.

I couldn't agree more- it seems the harder you work the more the companies want. Obviously those in management haven't practiced pharmacy lately and if they tried they'd be swallowed alive. How can we be "the most trusted profession" the one every patient asks for advice and yet still no respect.
If truck drivers can't drive more than 8 hrs without a break- why should we be forced to work 12 hours despensing potentially dangerous medicine without a break.
We need to stage a pharmacy walkout/protest techs included,they work extra hard for a mere $8-10/hr.

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purple76 in Dover, Delaware

44 months ago

Exactly my point. But no one will dare walk out because they got their mortgage to pay. Debt will keep many traped and silent. Some will take things into their own hand. For example, many of my friends are opening their own pharmacies and leaving the corporate pharmacies. That's what needs to happen. We need to take our profession back.

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

44 months ago

Consider speaking to a local union representitive. Starting or joining a union is a good option. Just keep your activities quiet until there is some leveragable organization behind you. Do a google/bing search on the subject for some initial information.

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burned out in Franklin, Tennessee

44 months ago

Irene,

Disappointment is with the way companies treat pharmacists and regard the profession, rather than pay!!! Less pay with a little respect and job satisfaction go much farther than top salaries alone.

Lovely Irene Garcia in Davao, Philippines said: You shouldn’t be disappointed because according to an article I read the pharmacist pay rate based on experience ranges from:

YEARS OF EXPERIENCE SALARY RANGE
Less than 1 year $67,659 – $99,926
1-4 years $68,613 - $101,073
5-9 years $83,439 – $101,601
10-19 years $87,746 – $109,413
20 years and above $93,475 – $118,965

Now the top 3 cities that give high paying rate to pharmacist are
• Houston
• Dallas
• Los angeles

With regards to different state, the top 3 highest are the following
• Texas
• Illinois
• Florida

You should check your State Department of Labor for job opportunities and if there are none, may be it's time to leave home and go somewhere else to establish a career.

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purple76 in Dover, Delaware

44 months ago

High salary can not replace job satisfaction and respect. You will enjoy that salary for a while but very soon you will begin to feel stress and unhappy, and you will question your quality of life. Be careful when you only consider the dollar sign.

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

44 months ago

I agree completely.

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yardleyed in Morrisville, Pennsylvania

44 months ago

Definitely so! Most pharmacists will take a terrible work environment and grin and bear it for a few bucks!-This is a fact! Now that there is no more shortage, it will get worse since employers have the upper hand. Pharmacists are the Rodney Dangerfield of health care professions. They will be jumping through higher hoops for less money, while the ivory tower academics make more money roping kids into 6 years of college for what? They use grandiose terms for the future of the profession with no real hard facts to back it up!

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basssriff in Auckland, New Zealand

44 months ago

I share the same sad career story as a pharmacist, 5 years study, 2 years experience, then quit to be a musician. Pharmacist is a horrible job, i hated it. Good luck to everyone. Peace.

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purple76 in Smyrna, Delaware

44 months ago

basssriff,I understand what you went thru. It is a killer going somewhere you don't enjoy on a daily basis. You are one of the brave one's. I truely believe that this is not only about pharmacy. This is also about living the life that you were meant to live, doing what makes you happy and at peace. I encourage more pharmacist to begin to look within and find what will make you get up with a smile. If that is a change in profession so be it. Now is the time. Let's think outside of the box. Anything is possible.

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FarmInc in Paramus, New Jersey

44 months ago

What are some professions/work where you can use your experience as a pharmacist (but not work as an RPh)? Does anyone know of an RPh in this circumstance who has changed his or her career?

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modell23 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

44 months ago

OMG there are countless such career options with a PharmD, not sure about B.SC. Pharm. To name a few, Clinical Research Associate, Regulatory Affairs, Drug Safety, Medication Safety Officer, Clinical Science Liaison, Drug Reps(aka Community Pharmacy Liaison), Drug Info Specialist. I know these because I've been unable to find a position in the Tri-State area as a RPh. I had better luck with Liaison and Drug info. If you are bilingual, you would also be more marketable in these two areas.

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modell23 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

44 months ago

basssriff in Auckland, New Zealand said: I share the same sad career story as a pharmacist, 5 years study, 2 years experience, then quit to be a musician. Pharmacist is a horrible job, i hated it. Good luck to everyone. Peace.

You're a brave soul. I admire you pursuing your passion and dropping your career as a Pharmacist "like it's hot!".

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FarmInc in Paramus, New Jersey

44 months ago

How did you research the areas of practice? Look under company names or those particular titles? I've been in hospital for so long and am not familiar with anything else! Wouldn't mind a job that is different from staff Rph--less immediate stress of trying to clarify orders, getting them out in a timely manner, dealing with nurses who (understably) need their meds "now", not much teamwork etc...

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lost&depressed in Seattle, Washington

44 months ago

How realistic is it for a fresh PharmD graduate without hospital or community pharmacy experience to get one of those non-traditional positions modell23 mentioned? (ie Clinical Research Associate, Regulatory Affairs, Drug Safety, Medication Safety Officer, Clinical Science Liaison, Drug Reps, Drug Info Specialist?)

I am not done with my PharmD studies (I am in my last year) and I can't say I enjoy the typical pharmacists roles... I suppose I could work as a community pharmacist, but it just doesn't suit me well (that and there are accounts of job shortage/pharmacist oversupply as indicated in this forum)

I feel like I have wasted my time, money and effort getting this degree. Can't help but to feel sad and lost.

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

44 months ago

I am also curious about where to find some of these non-traditional roles. If someone has any specific advice where to look that would be great!

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lost&depressed in Seattle, Washington

44 months ago

Omo, are you a pharmacist in Bothell? Are you in the retail business? Can you comment on the overall job availability for pharmacists in the area? As you know, WA State only as 2 pharmacy schools - just curious what the pharmacist demand is with this relative low annual supply of fresh graduates.

Thanks!

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

44 months ago

Availability in Washington state is very low in retail. I follow multiple job boards from various companies and almost always see nothing. I mostly look in the surrounding Seattle area(100 mile radius approximately)however I also look on occasion in eastern Washington with the same result.

There are hospital jobs as long as the applicant has hospital training. There are usually several hospital positions, but really not that many compared to the past. Expect to commute if you get a hospital position.

One job I applied to had 20 plus pharmacist apply. I don't know if they were all unemployed or just upgrading from there current job.

If anyone has gotten into a non-traditional pharmacy role, it would be great if they would share there insight on the message boards.

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Omo in Bothell, Washington

44 months ago

lost&depressed in Seattle, Washington said: How realistic is it for a fresh PharmD graduate without hospital or community pharmacy experience to get one of those non-traditional positions modell23 mentioned? (ie Clinical Research Associate, Regulatory Affairs, Drug Safety, Medication Safety Officer, Clinical Science Liaison, Drug Reps, Drug Info Specialist?)

I am not done with my PharmD studies (I am in my last year) and I can't say I enjoy the typical pharmacists roles... I suppose I could work as a community pharmacist, but it just doesn't suit me well (that and there are accounts of job shortage/pharmacist oversupply as indicated in this forum)

I feel like I have wasted my time, money and effort getting this degree. Can't help but to feel sad and lost.

Two places to look are Harborview Medical center, and Regence of Washington(insurance). Both places might accept new graduates and also residencies. Retail is not a good choice. Very little career development and skills get rusty real quick! Your going to have to put some thought and big effort into your job search. Start with your school advisors to help craft a path you might enjoy. Working for an insurance company might be a great place to start.

Good luck! Remember, the harder you work the luckier you get!(usually)

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megandupe in Golden, Colorado

43 months ago

This thread has been saddening, last week I was beaming that I got an interview from Temple's pharmacy school and now i'm thinking indifferently. I want to pursue pharmacy bc i want to do clinical research. I intend on furthering my education with a phd too, and have absolutely no intention of working in retail pharmacy- I hate needy, greedy people. I'm not in this for the $$, but definitely the job, pharmaceutical research is endearing, and especially with all the disease suffrage and medicinal development, I feel like I have a shot in the career. Plus I want to work overseas.

Anyone feel like i have a chance at my goals??
And how much of this job crisis do you think is attributed to the current economic situation?

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rxtech in Auburn, Alabama

43 months ago

Farm Girl in Manchester, Iowa said: Hi!
I'm a senior in high school. I will be a certified Pharmacy Tech this spring after high school graduation. I will be attending a four year college this fall. I'm considering a degree in marketing/business with the plan to work part time at a pharmacy near college, and then at graduation to get a job in pharmacy sales. My question is this: Is this a good career path? With college costing so much I want to make sure I'm making the best choice. Thanks for any input!

P.S. I'm also ranked nationally in speech and business speech

I know that sales representatives do not make as much as they should and there are many people in search of these jobs so it is competitive. Not only that they have recently limited the number of positions that are available. You seem like a very intelligent individual, are you not interested in being an actual pharmacist for some reason? There are more jobs available and the pay is significantly larger than in sales. It is very competitive to get into pharmacy school...but like I said you seem intelligent enough to do it. I'm not sure if my reply has helped you any but i sure hope so. Have a great day!
from one pharmacy tech to another

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rxtech in Auburn, Alabama

43 months ago

Farm Girl in Manchester, Iowa said: Hi!
I'm a senior in high school. I will be a certified Pharmacy Tech this spring after high school graduation. I will be attending a four year college this fall. I'm considering a degree in marketing/business with the plan to work part time at a pharmacy near college, and then at graduation to get a job in pharmacy sales. My question is this: Is this a good career path? With college costing so much I want to make sure I'm making the best choice. Thanks for any input!

P.S. I'm also ranked nationally in speech and business speech

I know that sales representatives do not make as much as they should and there are many people in search of these jobs so it is competitive. Not only that they have recently limited the number of positions that are available. You seem like a very intelligent individual, are you not interested in being an actual pharmacist for some reason? There are more jobs available and the pay is significantly larger than in sales. It is very competitive to get into pharmacy school...but like I said you seem intelligent enough to do it. I'm not sure if my reply has helped you any but i sure hope so. Have a great day!
from one pharmacy tech to another

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rxtech in Auburn, Alabama

43 months ago

asdf in Lincolnton, North Carolina said: All I care about is the money and job security. Do Pharmacist make good money?

I've also heard that Pharmacist is a very secure job from a lot of people. I've even heard from Pharmacist themselves saying that they can move anywhere within the US and find a job as a Pharmacist.

I have thought about majoring in Computer Science. Would Computer Science be better than Pharmacy?

I have also thought about being a psychologist but my parents won't pay for my college if I become a psychologist because they don't beleave they get paid good for what they do.

So, I thought about going into Pharmacy, Save up and get either a masters or phD in Psychology and then later on become a Psychiatrist because I would already have experience in Psychology and know some things about drugs therefore, Psychology + Pharmacy = Psychiatrist!

Hi! I am in your exact same shoes...therefore, I am going to become a pharmacist first. Then if I am still interested in the Psychology field I will be making enough money to pay to go back to school myself. You're parents are (in a way) right... It is difficult to find a job in psychology because there are so few available yet so many people interested in the field. I believe you would make more money as a pharmacist tho. Good luck with your decision.

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sorry for anonymity in Wisconsin

43 months ago

Thank you all for your professionalism and not turning this blog into a rant.
Thank you also for sharing your situations, observations and beliefs that are very similar to mine. I felt an uncomfortable sense of validation in reading these. Attempts to explain to friends and family fall on deaf ears. Their only response is “Yeah. But the money”.
My story. 30 year pharmacy career in all aspects (hospital, retail, SNF/LTCF, relief).
Type A performer with “slight attitudinal disorder”. Well-liked. My Goal=right drug, right dose, right patient, right time. Tried to become management to address problems. Not successful. In retrospect, perhaps I should have done more in pharmacy organizations dedicated to advancing and protecting the profession.
Earlier this year I had had enough. Went looking for alternative career/job. Hundreds of job applications, hours on computer job sites, phone calls and letters yielded 2 interviews and several rude dismissals. Bottom line; six years of pharmacy school does not impress anyone and one cannot get past the suspicion of the HR person if you are trying to get away from pharmacy. There must be something fundamentally wrong with you. Other evidence to this point is that I do not know a single pharmacist that has successfully gotten out of the “profession”.
In desperation went to truck driving school. Obtained CDL but I am not good at it. Took a job working in a warehouse for $10 an hour.
The future? I do not know. Even if I can go back to pharmacy (which is in some doubt) can I make it the next 20 years? Medical treatment has done little to stem the anxiety I get from the animosity of general public, seeming cruelty of non-pharmacist managers and indifference of some colleagues and co-workers. You are all in my prayers.

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purple76 in Smyrna, Delaware

42 months ago

This is a reply to 'sorry for anonymity'. I am touched and saddened by your message. Wow. I am speechless but I understand.... I understand the frustration and lack of respect that comes with this profession. How sad.

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Lore2400 in Mooresville, North Carolina

42 months ago

This is also in reply to "sorry for anonymity." I am sorry you have experienced such frustration and anxiety in both your professional and your personal life as well. I understand much of what you are describing-people think there is something wrong with you if you want to do something different. I have not been in the profession long at all, and I feel I need to get out also. After dealing with some medical issues, it is just so hard for me to retain the knowledge required of a pharmacist, and I don't feel comfortable with the responsibility I hold working as a pharmacist. If there are any pointers you have for me, I would appreciate it. I feel as if I am in this alone-family/friends do not understand how much responsibility we have, how much we have to remember, and how falling behind just a little or having a mental issue can mean you may not need to be in the field. Actually, I'm guessing that's what it means. I'm not sure. I'm asking anyone out there with experience to let me know. Since we're professionals I guess I can share the medical issues. I have dealt w/ tx resistant depression for the last 10 years, but made it through undergrad and pharm school with flying colors. I have tried almost every antidepressant, and even ECT. More recently I have struggled with migraines. They were bad enough that I agreed to take Topamax 100 bid, which has impaired my memory, ability to retain information, and word-finding ability. It is driving me crazy, and it seems like it is taking forever for it to go away. Migraines are miserable though, and when they are almost daily, you cannot work. Even with this med, I still get them 3 times a month. Nobody in my life really understands these issues either, which compounds the whole situation further. And by the way, I am looking for a job currently-not in the field, working. So, I'm asking advice from anyone who has been in this/a similar situation or has known someone dealing with something similar. I don't know what to do.

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sorry for anonymity in Wisconsin

42 months ago

During your day did you ever notice the "reward" for truly helping a patient was to get behind on your workload and incur the wrath of every patient (and manager) thereafter? (Please smile at this.) I felt compelled to answer this right away but I am leary about giving advice. Because I haven't figured it out yet either. I will just take your statements in turn. As for the responsibility. It is a balancing-act. You are right to take it seriously. But not too seriously. Make sense? Perhaps difficult to achieve. But this first step may help you in the short term. Might have helped me. I am guessing that you are a fairly new grad and so the added pressure of sticking with it after all the schooling is high. Second. The medical issues are definitely a huge factor for you. And I apologize. In my younger years I would have been a co-worker that was not always understanding. With age comes compassion. I understand more now how you feel. Try to find a colleague that can help and then help them, too. We go it alone too much. Third is "treatment resistant" depression. Two kinds of depression. Exogenous (situational) and endogenous. Mine has also been treatment resistant. Which has lead me to believe it is situational. (my opinion). (Just one medical "rule-out" you may want to pursue for the migraines if you are female, hormonal therapy. Either stopping or starting. I really have seen this be a huge factor and at times more successful than neuroleptics). Job search. I am trying to answer the question "what do I want to do?" with a naive hope that if I start there, plan and act, I will achieve. Goal for me now is not so much being happy, but being right with myself. Sorry. Wish this were better advice.

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modell23 in Brooklyn, New York

42 months ago

modell23 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: Unfortunately i never trained postgraduate in a hospital. I'm not going back to retail......slaved it out for 7 years. I will do temp positions in any setting until I get a hospital gig. That's a promise.

Update: Networking paid off big time for me. I finally got a hospital job with 7 years retail background utilizing my pharmacists networks. With most hospitals seeking two years inpatient experience in the quad-state area (including PA), I had to get creative and try another job seeking route. Please join a professional pharmacy association affiliated with the branch of pharmacy you want to work in. To future pharmacists, consider retail your last option IF you desire making pharmacy your long-term profession. My new position at a reputable hospital commences next week and I am excited. I know each pharmacy setting has its pros and cons but I am starting off with a clean slate and attitude. After being in the job hunt for a year, I choose to have to NO negative preconceptions about the hospital setting. I choose to be humble in all professional interactions. I can certainly use some words of wisdom from my fellow colleagues in this forum with more years of experience than me. Please tell me what the ultimate key to success in this setting is cause I plan on being there long term. Thanks!

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Lore2400 in Mooresville, North Carolina

42 months ago

Thanks so much for your advice. Even though you haven't figured it out yet, you have more experience than I do. You are correct to guess I am a relatively new grad-I graduated in 2008. I believe I know what you mean about not taking the responsibility too seriously. When I was interning, we had a new grad who would not verify anything until she consulted her reference books and Palm. She was driving herself crazy along with everybody else, not to mention creating a long wait time. You have to get to a point where you trust yourself. With the medical issues I'm facing, however, I don't even know if I can cut it with the basics, and I'm scared to death to find out the hard way...by being fired or by making a mistake. With many pharmacists looking for positions right now, it is very easy for employers to hire a more experienced RPh over me. With student loans, the pressure to stick with this is very high, just like you said. Although I am only in my 20's, I will mention hormone therapy to my neurologist next time for the migraines, or maybe looking at my OC which I mentioned to her before. Topamax is awful. I don't think the depression is situational. I have dealt with it (and anxiety) since late high school. I really enjoyed my undergrad, but not my pharm school (too much politics), yet I was depressed the whole time, even in undergrad. I'm "happily married" to a wonderful guy now, but I'm still depressed. I have seen many psychiatrists, none have suggested situational, and around 4 (including a top Emory psychiatrist specializing in refractory depression, who I saw for at least a year) plus my therapist (who has known me for 10 years) had strongly recommended the ECT txs. I had 2 series of txs: 2007 and 2008. They helped short term, but memory loss was too big of an issue to do maintenance txs. Pharmacy probably made the depression worse, but it's not the cause. I'm also drowsy all the time. Job search...think I need to figure out what I can handle. Thanks again.

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sorry for anonymity in Wisconsin

42 months ago

You have a lot going for you. Good insight, gratitude, goals...And you're right. Pharmacy didn't cause my depression either. Just really doesn't help. You sound like a neat person. Day at a time. I wish you all the best.

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wbnc in Tacoma, Washington

42 months ago

I have been a retail pharmacist for over 20 years and I will be unemployed for one year on the 16th of this month. Finding a pharmacy job is next to impossible and something not pharmacy related, well they will not give me the time of day. This thread has been very informative. frustration as set in big time....

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HV64 in San Diego, California

42 months ago

Health care is really bad to get into right. I have been looking at forums from radiation therapy, radiology techs, pharmacy, nuclear medicine, and even nursing all saying the same thing: that the market is flooded. I regret ever from going into the medical field.

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ironhorse in Phoenix, Arizona

42 months ago

I have got my licence since august 2009 I stayed home due to family matter now I am looking for job I can't find any every one asking for experience I don't what to do to get this experience any recommendation or help

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wbnc in Tacoma, Washington

42 months ago

ironhorse in Phoenix, Arizona said: I have got my licence since august 2009 I stayed home due to family matter now I am looking for job I can't find any every one asking for experience I don't what to do to get this experience any recommendation or help

kind of in the same boat here. since i am unemployed for over a year now, my "experience" or lack there of is killing my chances. I am looking at other fields. the only advice that i can give is to keep applying for jobs since that is what i am doing.

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ironhorse in Phoenix, Arizona

42 months ago

thank for the comment but what is the other fields the pharmacist could find or work for other than to be a pharmacist
you know I am thinking if i could be certified as nuclear pharmacist or any thing else may be I can find some training or getting some experience,but also I am facing that I should be working pharmacist at least for 2 years to be certified

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wbnc in Tacoma, Washington

42 months ago

ironhorse in Phoenix, Arizona said: thank for the comment but what is the other fields the pharmacist could find or work for other than to be a pharmacist
you know I am thinking if i could be certified as nuclear pharmacist or any thing else may be I can find some training or getting some experience,but also I am facing that I should be working pharmacist at least for 2 years to be certified

other fields means anything outside of pharmacy. i have thought about Nuclear but right now I just need some sort of income.

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mapuche in Los Angeles, California

42 months ago

I agree that pharmacists are mistreated, not respected and expected to perform like machines. However, I also lay the blame on ourselves for allowing this to happen to us. There is little to no cohesion in this profession, no unity and apparently a lack of self respect. While working as a traveling pharmacist I have refused to return to certain clients and have insisted on at least cushioned padding on concrete floors. This caused one director to tell my agency not to send me back. How utterly disrespectful. I have seen more than my share of DMs with their own personal agendas to impose their will and demonstrate their power over others, hospital pharmacy managers with personality disorders who are allowed to reign terror unchecked and more pharmacists that I care to count that allow themselves to be berated and abused by nurses, patients and store managers, to have chairs removed so they can't sit down, that do not stand up for themselves or insist that they be treated with dignity. It is shameful that not one pharmaceutical agency stands up for the professional treatment of pharmacists. Until not to long ago, the first option when calling the California Board of Pharmacy was to press "1" if you have a complaint about a pharmacy or pharmacist. What kind of nonesense is this? If I am dismissed because I insist on being treated as a professional, forget professional, as a human with physical limitations that do not allow me to perform like a machine, then so be it. It will be an affirmation that I will be leaving this profession not a day too soon. And so right about your experience amounting to nothing. 30+ years in home infusion, hospital, in-patient, out-patient, long term care, chain, you name it and Spanish spieaking, and they pay me about the same as a brand new grad. Disgusting. I wish I had changed careers before I had a family.

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purple76 in Dover, Delaware

42 months ago

In response to Mapuche. You are absolutely right. I have been saying this for the longest time. We are treated very disrespectfully and it seems like as a profession, we are weak and scared. Sometimes, I can't believe I got a Dr. of pharmacy degree to be treated like this. I have been treated so badly that I too thought about leaving the profession. Long hours without sitting or having a lunch break and I could go on and on. The last thing my chain came up with is to have priscription ready in 15 min... now they have turned our profession into fast food. I am disgusted.

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Robert RPH in Dallas, Texas

41 months ago

SO MAPUCHE QUIT, I AM SURE SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE YOUR 100K SALARY AND ALL THE DISRESPECT...

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xyz in Irvine, California

41 months ago

We have no one to blame but ourselves. When I was in pharmacy school, I took on many leadership positions and tried to motivate others to participate in community projects or activities that further our profession. It was very difficult to get others to join. There were those very few who were gung-ho about most projects and did their best. Others would just passively let those opportunities pass them by.

It is true that Pharm.Ds have more options (clinical roles and other pharmaceutical related opportunities). However, new schools supply more pharmacists than there are job openings. I graduated in 2007 and haven't found a steady job. I too get very depressed about the job prospects and where our profession is going.

What I find useful is joining a local pharmacist association or professional meetings (APhA etc). There you meet others who can be very inspirational. In addition, it's a great way to network and that is how you might find a job. Please do all that you can to further (or save) our profession, whether by joining a local chapter or motivating the right kind of people to enter the profession of pharmacy.

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xyz in Irvine, California

41 months ago

We have no one to blame but ourselves. When I was in pharmacy school, I took on many leadership positions and tried to motivate others to participate in community projects or activities that further our profession. It was very difficult to get others to join. There were those very few who were gung-ho about most projects and did their best. Others would just passively let those opportunities pass them by.

It is true that Pharm.Ds have more options (clinical roles and other pharmaceutical related opportunities). However, new schools supply more pharmacists than there are job openings. I graduated in 2007 and haven't found a steady job. I too get very depressed about the job prospects and where our profession is going.

What I find useful is joining a local pharmacist association or professional meetings (APhA etc). There you meet others who can be very inspirational. In addition, it's a great way to network and that is how you might find a job. Please do all that you can to further (or save) our profession, whether by joining a local chapter or motivating the right kind of people to enter the profession of pharmacy.

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chancery in Atlanta, Georgia

40 months ago

After 34 yrs. in pharmacy, I can not get a job. I have had my resume out there for over a year and the market is flooded. Thank God I saved money and am very close to social security or it would be worse. For all you perspective pharmacists, be very cautious of what the Rx schools tell you about job growth and availability. As others have mentioned, these people are in the business of selling you a seat for 5 yrs. no more and nothing else. I am hearing horror stories in the Atlanta area about the glut in this area.There is also a is a lot of grumbling from the soon to be graduates about jobs. There is another downside about today's market. You may be a great or good pharmacist and get sacked for someone who will work for less. Happens daily. Remember, the bottom line is all that businesses and schools look at and a lot of people are ground up and thrown away for them to achieve it. I do think it is good that there is a semi resurgence of independents now. The chains made enough people mad for them to finally say to Hell with you. A good independent can and will kick chain butt. Another writer said to become a GP. Good advice!

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chancery in Atlanta, Georgia

40 months ago

The sad thing that most young people do not know, is that a plumber or electrician, and certainly HVAC specialist make more than a pharmacist. If I was a young man, I would start me a trade company and be my own boss, without all the gov. intrusion that pharmacy and medicine endure. It will be a long time before there are government paid plumbers!Some of you are laughing, but to prove a point. Let me tell you something I saw someone report on. It was a plumbers convention down by the seaside. As the camera panned out over the parking lot, you would have thought that it was a physicians convention because there was not a low-end car in the lot. Some big bellied plumber said that he though it was foolish to get a degree and have no job, when plumbers needed new people. He lamented the lack of interest in the trades and said that people who went into them made a great living and were there own bosses. The Mercedes he was getting into was his!

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wbnc in Tacoma, Washington

40 months ago

currently working a $9/hr job while I look for a pharmacist position. tough to find a job outside of pharmacy as i am either over qualified or they think that i will not hang around if i find a pharmacist position and there is some truth to that.

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