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Kari in Sandy, Utah

37 months ago

The pharmacist job market IS getting worse....myself and 3 other pharmacists were just laid off from a long-term care pharmacy, where the market is supposed to be GROWING with oncoming baby-boomers in 10 years. It has been 8 weeks since I was laid-off and I still don't have a job on the horizon. Too many people applying for too few jobs in this State. Just curious....how is it in other states? Thanks.

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Lore2400 in Mooresville, North Carolina

37 months ago

For Amherst Healthcare or anyone else, is there a program to fast track to NP (or RN or mastor's for admin.) or PA? I have a B.S. in Biology and PharmD, both from very good schools. I've posted on another forum and have been without work (pharmacist) for quite a while now. It's nearly impossible to keep up your skills and knowledge, and now I don't want to go back into a profession where my confidence level is down and we're disrespected. I would honestly be happier in a different field. I started off in undergrad as a nursing major, with the goal of being an NP.

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flip in Burlington, Iowa

37 months ago

No fast track. It's as if you had no PharmD at all.

I think pharmacy schools should create one. PharmD training is an excellent background for clinical diagnosis and prescribing.

NOT DISPENSING.

Let's turn pharmacy's sad story around.

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Amherst Healthcare in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

37 months ago

If you already have a PharmD and are looking to pursue a different field, I would recommend contacting the schools that you are interested in, and find out if there is any credit for the degree that you currently have and the courses that you have already taken. It might cut off a few years of study, but I can't be sure. I think that it might be easier to continue in your field and simply specialize. Why put all of that education to waste?

Who knows, by the time you complete your degree in that new field, it might be on a downturn and pharmacy might be on the upswing. If you like pharmacy and you are already licensed, look to specialize in an area that excites you. Just do a bit of homework first to make sure that there are openings in that area and that there will be growth as well before you take the plunge.

After saying that, I have an openings for Clinical Pharmacists near Charlotte, NC. Residency preferred, but strong hospital pharmacy experience will be considered. Also looking for hospital experienced pharmacy manager there as well. Need multiple DOPs in Texas.

Very hot position for Specialty Pharmacy Technician with Management experience and PBM background. Position is in Long Island and the pay is Fantastic! If you know anyone who fits any of these openings send them my way.

Thanks

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flip in Burlington, Iowa

37 months ago

Amherst Healthcare in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: If you already have a PharmD and are looking to pursue a different field, I would recommend contacting the schools that you are interested in, and find out if there is any credit for the degree that you currently have and the courses that you have already taken. It might cut off a few years of study, but I can't be sure. I think that it might be easier to continue in your field and simply specialize. Why put all of that education to waste?

Who knows, by the time you complete your degree in that new field, it might be on a downturn and pharmacy might be on the upswing. If you like pharmacy and you are already licensed, look to specialize in an area that excites you. Just do a bit of homework first to make sure that there are openings in that area and that there will be growth as well before you take the plunge.

After saying that, I have an openings for Clinical Pharmacists near Charlotte, NC. Residency preferred, but strong hospital pharmacy experience will be considered. Also looking for hospital experienced pharmacy manager there as well. Need multiple DOPs in Texas.

Very hot position for Specialty Pharmacy Technician with Management experience and PBM background. Position is in Long Island and the pay is Fantastic! If you know anyone who fits any of these openings send them my way.

Thanks

Funny! Spoken like a true headhunter.

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Amherst Healthcare in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

37 months ago

Thanks Flip! I take that as a compliment. One should always strive to be the best at whatever they do:)

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Amherst Healthcare in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

37 months ago

flip in Burlington, Iowa said: If you are enjoying your job, I must give you credit for choosing your career well.

I definitely enjoy what I do. I would enjoy it even more if there were more pharmacy jobs available. Trying to find an open pharmacist position these days is like trying to perform a root canal with a jackhammer.

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Lore2400 in Mooresville, North Carolina

37 months ago

Well, I'm not so sure I want to stay in this profession considering what it has become. Really-with all the students graduating each year, and their brains being younger and more up-to-date than mine, even if the market gets better, I'm not sure I would have a good enough chance to find a job. I would continue in my field if I could, but I can't find a job! I don't have hospital experience, only retail. So, I don't know how I specialize if I can't find a job doing anything in the field. I cannot relocate b/c my husband is in an industry that is only in this area. He gets paid well, so relocating for me wouldn't make much sense. Has anyone heard of independents letting unemployed pharmacists work for a low wage just to keep their knowledge base? The one career in medicine I am pretty sure is pretty open is RNs...I think. I worked as a CNA during high school, so I know I can't be happy doing that kind of work for life.
Just saw a story on the news about law schools being "scams." Apparently, graduates of a NY law school filed a class action lawsuit against their school, claiming they were duped into enrolling with false promises of practically guaranteed high-paying jobs upon graduation. Of course when they got out, all they had was high debt and no job. From what I read in one article, the percentage of previous grads getting jobs upon graduation and their avg. salaries were pretty far off from what the actual figures were. Thought it was interesting and I'd share. Not saying pharm schools are this bad, but I think they should be regulated. The same issue is brought up in these articles. Law schools aren't either, so all these schools can open, tell students what they want to hear, and just collect money. We all know how many pharm schools have opened in the last ten years, and how much each class size has grown!

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Looking4workPharmD in Clementon, New Jersey

37 months ago

I have a PharmD, residency, hospital experience, clinical experience, and retail experience. However, I cannot find a job in PA, NJ, or DE if my life depended on it.

Do not buy into the whole residency idea. It is a scam to get you to take a salary hit and work your ass off. What I have seen or employers taking advantage of the pharmacists these days. I would not recommend this profession to anyone. I know pharmacists with years of experience that have been unemployed for well over a year at this stage.

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steve in Trenton, New Jersey

36 months ago

lk0802 in Collingswood, New Jersey said: If your willing to move youll find something somewhere. Anything near the city (USP, Temple, Rutgers and now Jefferson)....the whole state of PA is basically a no go...and same with jersey.

I got 2 job offers in PA from my rotations...but as far as someone who has recently closed an independent..or someone trying to switch jobs....you better know someone! Because theres nothing

If you are looking, get in touch with me. I may have a part time opportunity available in Trenton, NJ. six zero nine, three nine four zero six hundred ask for steve

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NS_Highlander in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

36 months ago

My wife is a Pharmacy District Manager for a large chain and I will share a few perspectives she has.

My wife would rather hire a new grad than someone middle aged because they have debts and are hungry for work and are more motivated do a good job. The ones closest to retirement give her more problems, and are more arrogant because they don't need the money. With that said, there are young people she has turned away and older people she has hired, but this seems to be the trend.

There will always be a demand for what she defines as GOOD pharmacists. What this means are people that can handle volume and have great customer services skills. The kind of workers that are dedicated, that don't call in sick unless necessary and will cover for others when they are sick. She wants people that are willing to help her and are team players. Finding these types are harder than most people think.

Some pharmacists that resent coming in to work on sick days because she doesn't have floaters fail to understand that anyone willing to have no guarantee of hours or benefits is usually someone you don't want working in your pharmacy anyway. But, there are some execptions....

My wife will run holes for long periods of time with a file full of applications if she cannot get the kind of people listed above. There is no shortage of Pharmacists, but there is a shortage of good pharmacists.

Regarding immigrants. Their current use now mainly extends to the rural crap holes where americans don't want to work. They aren't necessarily better pharmacists (but are no worse) but, they will work harder to grow the business and value their jobs more (because getting terminated means they get a one way ticket back to a third world country) The ones people often see behind the bench today are left overs from the shortage. But, remember these people not only have their place, have lives and and homes and you just can't throw them out like garbage.

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"Wake Up Call" in Los Angeles, California

36 months ago

I've been in pharmacy for 25 years in practically every specialty and segment in the career option. When I graduated in the mid-1980's, I had 3 jobs lined up and worked to pay off my student loans in less than a year. Through the 1990's, if I wanted to work additional hours, I'd merely pick up the phone and call a colleague in my network of pharmacist buddies and I'd have another pharmacist job before the week was over. What's happened to our security blanket in pharmacy in the years following the new millennium? Well, anyone who keeps up with current affairs can answer that without a glitch. Although I can personally write a dissertation on this topic with a multitude of experiential observations, I only have enough space and time to offer Holmes in River Grove (Ill.) and his delusional followers a link to a reality checkpoint in a factually supported article in Pharmacy Times ( drugtopics.modernmedicine.com/drugtopics/Associations/Too-many-schools-not-enough-jobs/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/726709 ). Please understand that trends in pharmacy practice are symptomatic of a more global pattern in health care and the obvious fact that, when economic times are tough, pharmacists are perceived as "dispensers" in the medical world of remote services, robotic pharmacies, and automation technologies. In pharmacy, we're all very reluctant to accept that we're "predominantly" perceived by the pubic and the medical community with a "distribution role" in health care. So, when the chips are down economically, automation and technicians will replace expensive cogs (i.e., pharmacists) without significantly impacting quality assurance. The sad fact is that pharmacists who have assumed leadership positions as the business administrators are the one's who are profiting from advocating and pioneering efforts to demonstrate that technology (i.e., remote pharmacy, automation, etc...) replaces pharmacists with positive outcomes.

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amyjacobs in Naperville, Illinois

36 months ago

To the husband of the PDM, it is managers like her that make life hell for the rest of us pharmacists. I know a lot of pdms who never cover a store and cannot use the software. Even if a pharmacist is dying they feel too important to cover the pharmacy. I know because i have severe health issues working for a chain over years with minimal tech hours and being afraid to call off sick because i thought of my pdm. Who is she to determine a good pharmacist? Most of the pdms were not appointed by merit. i know one who became a pdm immediately she got licensed as a pharmacist. she was an intern under me and was not above average. Besides, the only difference between her and her pharmacists is a letter. There are countless pdms who came back as staff pharmacists so be careful how you treat your colleagues when you think yu are above so they dont mock you when you come down to earth. a pdm is a pharmacist, period!

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David in Atlanta, Georgia

36 months ago

Being an unemployed pharmacist with over thirty years experience, I can remember the great years that pharmacists were in demand. The reason that pharmacists are not in demand and will be less in demand in the future is simply supply and demand.
For years, people have believed inaccurate data concerning demand. In actuality the demand was much much less. Wherever there is a supposed demand someone will supply. Schools were built knowing that the demand figures for pharmacists were wrong, but knowing that there were plenty of naive young people who would beleve their spiel about pharmacy's glorious future. The educators sold pharmacy with ease to each new ignorant class. The schools are money makers and have made vaults full of cash praying on the uninformed. The real losers are the present day working pharmacist and the students themselves. I would urge all new grads to collectively sue the pants off the educators that have duped them into a world of joblessness and debt. Maybe if they take a hit in court, there will be less fraud from them in the furure.

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Michael in Clementon, New Jersey

36 months ago

There arent jobs out there. I cannot find work to feed my family a this point. I have no idea what to do. I have been applying to jobs but I took my pharmacy degree off my resume so employers at non-pharmacy jobs will consider me. I never imagined going into pharmacy and ending up like this.

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tothetune in Phoenix, Arizona

35 months ago

I'm in hospital in AZ. Business has been off since the economy crashed. We've had our hours cut from 40 to 35, a lot of us use some PTO to make up half the difference, still glad to just be working.
A funny story, probably true, I heard years ago. Pharmacist working at a NYC chain drops dead on the job while pounding out scripts. Manager runs out, 1st thing he does before even calling 911, he punches out the dead guys timecard.
I did retail for 12 years then went over to hospital 10 years ago. Best thing I ever did.
Like I always used to tell my customers, if you ain't on drugs you better get on 'em!

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getreal in Beaumont, Texas

35 months ago

holmes in River Grove, Illinois said: Do not believe some of the lies being written here regarding lack of job opportunities for pharmacists. These liars are trying to scare people off from applying to pharmacy school because they fear that supply will overtake demand. Fact is, pharmacists make tons of money right out of school and there are and will be many job openings in the future. This is all just a feeble attempt to prevent people from entering this lucrative field. Liars!

You must be the president of one of those new pharmacy school. ignorance is bliss

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andhow in Mira Loma, California

35 months ago

Kids if you really want to know what the job demand is call the recruitment number listed on any of the major chain career sites. Say: "Thanks for taking my call. I just took my boards today and I am feeling pretty good about it. I was curious about any opportunities available with fillintheblank."
I promise you won’t have to go forward with an interview. You could also call any mom and pop pharmacy in your area (or pick an area you would love to live in) and say, "I am relocating next month and was wondering if you had any per Diem needs coming up."
I keep noticing the same old cut and paste "Do not believe the lies..." I know that if I had a killer job I would not cruise these forums for ANY reason. Indeed Indeed would not even enter my thoughts. In fact, even in the unlikely event that I had a bad day at my killer job and wanted to job hunt to blow off steam I would likely reach for the Sunday paper classifieds like I did to find my career kick off job circa 1995.
If you have it in you to make the grades and network get a dual PharmD/PA degree. If I could do it again that is what I would do. I am pretty sure I would not be writing to you. ;)
note: to those primarily interested in fat salary pharmacists make.... you should do it dude! Go to pharmacy school. The chains will pay back your loans! You can do it no problem. Just apply your depends, grab a bag of peanuts and you are off to drive that leased mercedes for a 12 hour park at the fillintheblank.

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andhow in Mira Loma, California

35 months ago

Funny!;() My mom was the social worker that wanted her daughter to have financial freedom. She encouraged me so far as to fill out my winning ticket into this nightmare. Wait! I thought it was funny! No, funny is: $140000 to soup kitchen to: $105000 to: Hey Mr. stay on your side of the bench… and all the fear in between.
PS to the kids: if you really have competitive grades don't say "PRE-" anything. (ie. don't say "bun" say "be you N":))

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David in Atlanta, Georgia

35 months ago

It is really horrendous to find something in a state with four pharmacy schools. We already had Mercer, and UGA and courtesy of the academic money machine we now have South and still a newer Philadelphia school. It has made the job marked super tight. Even Rite Aid is having no problems getting people, and that is saying plenty. It is turning into a no win situation for pharmacists. The ones that have a job a getting their job micromanaged on an unprecedented scale since all the people above them have to make work to keep their jobs.Help is being cut to the bone, and some pharmacist stay over just to keep from coming in the next day to a pile of unfinished work. For all you ignoramuses that are thinking about a pharmacy career, WAKE UP. You are like the guy at the turn of the century that kept selling buggies with the autos went zooming by. Soon no one needed him. I believe that automation will also do away with more pharmacists.Go where the damand is. You don't go to a dessert to find refreshment
You go to a fountain and it ain't pharmacy anymore!

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AnalyticalMind in Buffalo, New York

35 months ago

David in Atlanta, Georgia said: It is really horrendous to find something in a state with four pharmacy schools. We already had Mercer, and UGA and courtesy of the academic money machine we now have South and still a newer Philadelphia school. It has made the job marked super tight. Even Rite Aid is having no problems getting people, and that is saying plenty. It is turning into a no win situation for pharmacists. The ones that have a job a getting their job micromanaged on an unprecedented scale since all the people above them have to make work to keep their jobs.Help is being cut to the bone, and some pharmacist stay over just to keep from coming in the next day to a pile of unfinished work. For all you ignoramuses that are thinking about a pharmacy career, WAKE UP. You are like the guy at the turn of the century that kept selling buggies with the autos went zooming by. Soon no one needed him. I believe that automation will also do away with more pharmacists.Go where the damand is. You don't go to a dessert to find refreshment
You go to a fountain and it ain't pharmacy anymore!

Hi David/Forum Members,
So where/what is the fountain that will keep producing for the average working lifetime? Enrolling in Physician Assistant programs after Pharm.D. and/or B.Pharm.? Anyone up for RETAKING all those prerequisites such as Chem 101-102/WITH LABS, Organic ChemI &II/WITH LABS, Physics I&II/WITH LABS, Calculus, Bio/1 year, and upper level Physiology OVER AGAIN, if you studied those courses more than 10 years ago for your Pharmacy degree. Check out the admissions requirements for P.A. and you will see that as a factor for getting into the program. One school noted, unless you use those courses directly in your line of work, you must re-take if studied greater than 6-10 years ago. Who uses physics concepts in retail, hospital, etc.?
What are y'all thoughts on this...

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flip in Burlington, Iowa

35 months ago

AnalyticalMind in Buffalo, New York said: Hi David/Forum Members,
So where/what is the fountain that will keep producing for the average working lifetime? Enrolling in Physician Assistant programs after Pharm.D. and/or B.Pharm.? Anyone up for RETAKING all those prerequisites such as Chem 101-102/WITH LABS, Organic ChemI &II/WITH LABS, Physics I&II/WITH LABS, Calculus, Bio/1 year, and upper level Physiology OVER AGAIN, if you studied those courses more than 10 years ago for your Pharmacy degree. Check out the admissions requirements for P.A. and you will see that as a factor for getting into the program. One school noted, unless you use those courses directly in your line of work, you must re-take if studied greater than 6-10 years ago. Who uses physics concepts in retail, hospital, etc.?
What are y'all thoughts on this...

Even if your undergrad work is new enough, you must start at the beginning. LPN, physical therapist, or doctor; it doesn't matter. Each institution wants the most money from each student.
BTW, students and pharmacists: Don't feel bad about being over-educated. EVERY health care job is contrived and superfluous. EVERY health care job exists because a little law says so. However, it is time to say no to the ridiculous idea of (required) pharmacy residencies.

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UsedRph

35 months ago

Google: NIA college conspiracy...
inflation.us/videos.html at about the 40 minute mark they
they go into pharmacy and how in 2008 the pharmacy shortage hoax was created.
Now a word about NIA, they give some truth, but it's mixed with some lies. Its main operator is a fellow by the name of Jonathan Lebed who mixes economic truth with a stock and dump scheme. The video costs about 40 thousand bucks to produce. But it's good to go to a university, but the price is in a bubble thanks to cheap loans and government & corporate interference. Peter Schiff exposes the problems with NIA.
www.thetotalcollapse.com/peter-schiff-exposes-nia-scam/

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UsedRph

35 months ago

David in Atlanta, Georgia said: It is really horrendous to find something in a state with four pharmacy schools. We already had Mercer, and UGA and courtesy of the academic money machine we now have South and still a newer Philadelphia school. It has made the job marked super tight. Even Rite Aid is having no problems getting people, and that is saying plenty. It is turning into a no win situation for pharmacists. The ones that have a job a getting their job micromanaged on an unprecedented scale since all the people above them have to make work to keep their jobs.Help is being cut to the bone, and some pharmacist stay over just to keep from coming in the next day to a pile of unfinished work. For all you ignoramuses that are thinking about a pharmacy career, WAKE UP. You are like the guy at the turn of the century that kept selling buggies with the autos went zooming by. Soon no one needed him. I believe that automation will also do away with more pharmacists.Go where the damand is. You don't go to a dessert to find refreshment
You go to a fountain and it ain't pharmacy anymore!

Correct, people also need to be aware and watch this:
inflation.us/videos.html In the 1st video titled college conspiracy at around the 40 minute mark they talk about THE 2008 PHARMACIST SHORTAGE HOAX... but NIA in the end touts to join to recieve special e-mails touting stocks ( buyer beware ) but this cideo does have some truth in it. But it's not just pharmacist that will suffer in economic hardship, expect 20 percent unemployment probably more... Do what's best and get a survivalist mentality soon. If things collapse some workers will be needed mechanic, AC repair, things that keep peoples necessities working as they generally get poorer.

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flip in Burlington, Iowa

35 months ago

UsedRph said: Correct, people also need to be aware and watch this:
inflation.us/videos.html In the 1st video titled college conspiracy at around the 40 minute mark they talk about THE 2008 PHARMACIST SHORTAGE HOAX... but NIA in the end touts to join to recieve special e-mails touting stocks ( buyer beware ) but this cideo does have some truth in it. But it's not just pharmacist that will suffer in economic hardship, expect 20 percent unemployment probably more... Do what's best and get a survivalist mentality soon. If things collapse some workers will be needed mechanic, AC repair, things that keep peoples necessities working as they generally get poorer.

If a collapse occurred, things would turn around in a good way:

Corporate control of pharmacy would end. Small communities will have to depend on each other again. Each community will need a pharmacist who provides professional service to the people. You will not submit claims to corrupt insurance institutions anymore. Your fees will be inline with what the people can pay. (Physicians too). Cheap effective drugs will be available.

Of course, this would only happen with the most catastrophic possible outcomes. Nevertheless, it makes you think about how things could be different.

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UsedRph

35 months ago

@ flip in Burlington Iowa,

A collapse could be a good thing. But Corporate Power continues to influence the schools & the law. In a cash only situation prices would go down and salaries would go down and good independant pharmacies would gain ground and service the customer better than these chains. We also need to see a commercial real estate crash so inflated prices on commercial real estate would come down & that would allow smaller bussiness to get better positions. But nobody in the establishment wants that. The tax collector doesn't want that, the banks who made the loans don't want that. So instead we have ( what I believe is going on ) is a game of favorites. Friends of the Federal Reserve get the assets for free and ousiders have to pay the asking price. Perhaps it's always been that way, but if the Federal Reserve is propping up poor companies ( thru the banks that own the Fed ) we will never have true competetion just an illusion. A lie.. just like the lie of cognitive services & the lie of a pharmacist shortage. But it's a nice thought to see these corporations crumble... and the pharmacy schools turned upside down because they worshiped and trusted thier corporate overlords... That 20 thousand dollar check Tom Ryan gives a school is a pittance to his 120 Million in stock options.... and he's not even the owners... www.zimbio.com/CEO+Tom+Ryan/articles/gJ2r0Pw5ql4/CVS+ex+CEO+takes+home+over+120+million+2010

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UsedRph

35 months ago

flip in Burlington, Iowa said: If a collapse occurred, things would turn around in a good way:

Corporate control of pharmacy would end. Small communities will have to depend on each other again. Each community will need a pharmacist who provides professional service to the people. You will not submit claims to corrupt insurance institutions anymore. Your fees will be inline with what the people can pay. (Physicians too). Cheap effective drugs will be available.

Of course, this would only happen with the most catastrophic possible outcomes. Nevertheless, it makes you think about how things could be different.

Our surplus labor is the problem of a much worse system that affects everyone www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrV84FZ_4G4
I have not seen any Federal Reserve notes with dates after 2006...
yet the debt has grown substantially....
So I believe this whole collapsed is planned.
It's the mechinism of action.

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MichaelPharmD in New Jersey

35 months ago

Update

I am still unemployed, still cannot support my family financially, cannot find jobs that are not pharmacist jobs because I am overqualified, went to every pharmacy in a 25 mile radius, not a single job out there. I do not know what to do.

I am a PharmD with a residency completed. I talked to recruiters but they said they do not have much out my way at all. It is a nasty market. I have offered to work for $10 an hour less and I still cannot find anything.

Any suggestions? Becoming a pharmacist has been the biggest mistake of my life. I lost all those years earning money without this monster debt.

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flip in Burlington, Iowa

35 months ago

UsedRph said: Our surplus labor is the problem of a much worse system that affects everyone www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrV84FZ_4G4
I have not seen any Federal Reserve notes with dates after 2006...
yet the debt has grown substantially....
So I believe this whole collapsed is planned.
It's the mechinism of action.

I watched the Bill Still youtube. Very informative. Thanks.

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DisappointedGrad in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

35 months ago

Solutions to Pharmacist Unemployment

1. Get a pharmacist license in a state that gives you more opportunity like the Midwest and Southwest states. My last option would be North Dakota, but I can tell you ever time I inquire about jobs up there, they are, or appear to be available. As a matter of fact one pharmacy manager emailed me and said they even have a part-time job with full time benefits.
a. Get a job there and move there.
b. If you have to go there in person for an interview, stick around for a while and get some others lined up.

2. If you are tied down by having a house or something. What can I say? Stay there and keep looking, but realize you might be looking for another 2 years. Or, cut your loses and get the **** out of there. That is if you really want a pharmacist salary.

3. Revamp your resume, drop the Pharm. D. degree and fill in the blank on the resume. Realize you won't be getting a Pharm. D. salary, and your student loan debt will sky rocket, and you'll be paying that off for the rest of your life. If you can't get a job like that either, try one of my other options.

4. Join the military as an pharmacist. Inquire about loan repayment for each branch. Because they don't all offer the same loan repayment.

5. Consider taking the pharmacist exam for Canada or Australia or where ever and move there. At least you'll have health insurance. Salaries are different though.

6. Keep doing what you're doing, and you'll probably keep getting the same results that you are getting.

7. Join the military as enlisted, have them train you as a PA or something else. Get the hell out of the field and get help with loan repayment.

It's not easy. But, these are some of the ideas I am going with. I'm using number 1 and 4. One thing I know for certain. If you've been in a state, like I am and you can't find a job within 5 months, like myself, I would think it's time to find another approach.

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andhow in Ontario, California

35 months ago

MichaelPharmD in New Jersey said: Update

I am still unemployed, still cannot support my family financially, cannot find jobs that are not pharmacist jobs because I am overqualified, went to every pharmacy in a 25 mile radius, not a single job out there. I do not know what to do.

I am a PharmD with a residency completed. I talked to recruiters but they said they do not have much out my way at all. It is a nasty market. I have offered to work for $10 an hour less and I still cannot find anything.

Any suggestions? Becoming a pharmacist has been the biggest mistake of my life. I lost all those years earning money without this monster debt.

I accepted a job for $15 less an hour and was replaced a month later for someone who would do it for $25 less an hour. That person lacked experience so they asked me to come back at the $25 less an hour rate. I can't do it. I don't want to do it. So now I make zero dollars an hour.

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DisappointedGrad in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

35 months ago

andhow in Ontario,

Are you serious? No fkn way. What city was that in? What kind a hospital was that? I've thought of putting on my resume will work for 30 or 20 an hour, but I didn't think people actually do it. Wow.

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dan in Lawrenceville, Georgia

35 months ago

Oh man,this makes me want to leave Pharmacy more than ever while i still can? What other careers have a yield similar to Pharmacy. I wonder if all salaries will eventually get pushed down. Why hasnt this happened to nursing? Any suggesstions on safe careers? Im thinking millitary

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David in Atlanta, Georgia

35 months ago

Dan,
It depends on an academic career or a trade career. Of the academic careers I would choose medicine if I had to do it all over again. It has always been in high demand and will always be a top of the line position. People will always be nuts about their health, often unnecessarily since the body is a natural healer, but that is why physicians make money from the peoples hypochondria. In the trade careers I would choose to be a plumber, or a heating and air man. That is something that is always needed and people will pay even if they have to borrow the money.When there is water on the floor or when it is 100 degrees inside your home you will pay to get cooled off. Pharmacy never defined itself and soon will be as extinct as a dinosaur. Lets face it, the bean counters are tired of paying people to lick,stick, count and pour, but they have no other uses for us but to do just that.

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Avg in Everett, Massachusetts

35 months ago

Trades, such as plumbing or HVAC, are only lucrative because many of the same barriers to entry that make pharmacy lucrative.

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Dylan in Olathe, Kansas

35 months ago

So if I'm willing to relocate to a rural location, where no one else wants to go, I'll get a job? The counselor I talked to sold me Pharmacy like he was getting paid by the schools to recruit kids. I'm gonna talk to another counselor within a few weeks, and I'm still at the point in my education where it wouldn't be hard to change majors (just been doing some GEs). If I have to, I will switch back to athletic training, but I'd rather continue with Pharmacy. The classes interest me, and I would actually rather live in the country.

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Dylan in Olathe, Kansas

35 months ago

Btw, I won't finish my PharmD until 2016, and while looking at job markets now is not indicative of where they will be in 5 years, there are jobs all over the place it seems (mostly on monster.com). Granted, a lot of those are for 18 yrs and older (so just high school kids) but still. They're there.

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DisappointedGrad in Fort Lauderdale, Florida

35 months ago

Dylan in Olathe,

When you start applying to jobs on Careerbuilder or Monster, you'll see that these aren't realy jobs. You will see the same postings over and over again even when you search in other locations. Many of the jobs posted are just listings. The positions have already been filled or someone forgot to take the ad off. You will sing a different tune when it's your turn to apply for jobs.

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Scared for Rx in New York, New York

35 months ago

Hello everyone!

I am a pharmacy student with an expected graduation date in 2013. I feel like I want to cry. I tried extremely hard to snag an internship but bc of the oversaturation in MANY areas, it has been a futile effort. I am set to do APPE rotations next year and I am scared for after graduation. It seems like the only ways to secure a job in this environment is to know people who have either worked for a company before (or hospital)or are working for the company now. That's it. No other way........

For any student looking at pharmacy as a career, please, please please do your due diligence and research this option as a career before you commit yourself.

The president of my school (I will not mention where), opened up another school (a satellite campus in another state). The word I heard about this state where the school opened up is that their Board of Pharmacy increased the intern hours to take the board exam from 50 hours to 500! So in order to sit for this state's board exam, you have to really like that state! Just getting the PharmD won't cut it like other states. Now, this president wants to open a joint PharmD/PA program!

I dunno what to do. I was thinking of attending the MRM for APhA and see if I can somehow snag a few interviews there....I just don't know anymore..........

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dan in Suwanee, Georgia

35 months ago

Scared for Rx in New York, New York said: Hello everyone!

I am a pharmacy student with an expected graduation date in 2013. I feel like I want to cry. I tried extremely hard to snag an internship but bc of the oversaturation in MANY areas, it has been a futile effort. I am set to do APPE rotations next year and I am scared for after graduation. It seems like the only ways to secure a job in this environment is to know people who have either worked for a company before (or hospital)or are working for the company now. That's it. No other way........

For any student looking at pharmacy as a career, please, please please do your due diligence and research this option as a career before you commit yourself.

The president of my school (I will not mention where), opened up another school (a satellite campus in another state). The word I heard about this state where the school opened up is that their Board of Pharmacy increased the intern hours to take the board exam from 50 hours to 500! So in order to sit for this state's board exam, you have to really like that state! Just getting the PharmD won't cut it like other states. Now, this president wants to open a joint PharmD/PA program!

I dunno what to do. I was thinking of attending the MRM for APhA and see if I can somehow snag a few interviews there....I just don't know anymore..........

Hey Please e-mail me, I'm going through a huge descion right now, might leave pharm school.

hit me up

chumsy187@hotmail.com

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Scared for Rx in New York, New York

35 months ago

Dylan in Olathe, Kansas said: Btw, I won't finish my PharmD until 2016, and while looking at job markets now is not indicative of where they will be in 5 years, there are jobs all over the place it seems (mostly on monster.com). Granted, a lot of those are for 18 yrs and older (so just high school kids) but still. They're there.

Hello Dylan from Olathe, Kansas!

I am from NYC and the jobs posted on Indeed (7 times out 10) are already filled up by using internal applications (people from within the company applying for transfers,etc.) As to why they are posted, I have no clue. As you will see by the time you graduate, the jobs are going to get scarce! I am seeing first hand on how the game (yes, this is a game now) is being played. I had no prior work experience in pharmacy, so I have to struggle and hustle harder to secure a job after graduation. The only way you will get internships or hired after graduation are the following:

1. You have parents or other family members that are pharmacists and work for ABC hospital or XYZ Pharmacy drugstore chain. If you go this route, you will not need to do residencies (almost 100% guaranteed!)

2. If number 1 fails, you need a good friend who is willing to hook you up

3. If #2 fails, speak to faculty and see if they will give you the "hook up".

4. If all three fail AND your a really great academic record, apply for residency

5. If all of the above fail......try medical school.

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flip in Des Moines, Iowa

35 months ago

Hello hopeful students,

I received a good education in pharmacy. Real problem solving skills are taught even though there is a lot of memorization. The trouble is pharmacy schools and the puppeteer chain monopolies cannot help pharmacists to move toward a truly professional role.

If you can, go to medical school or PA school. The combined PharmD/PA programs appear like a viable gateway to being a real practioner. If I was not looking at retirement in 10 years, I would go to PA school.

The PharmD who could perform the roles of a PA would really get to use their knowledge and skills. That person could work at a medical clinic and solve medication management problems. BTW, guess why RPh's can't get jobs like that? (you fill in the blank).

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UsedRph

35 months ago

flip in Burlington, Iowa said: I watched the Bill Still youtube. Very informative. Thanks.

Your Welcome

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andhow in Fallbrook, California

35 months ago

DisappointedGrad in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: andhow in Ontario,

Are you serious? No fkn way. What city was that in? What kind a hospital was that? I've thought of putting on my resume will work for 30 or 20 an hour, but I didn't think people actually do it. Wow.

I am in San Diego, CA. This is an independent pharmacy owned by non-pharmacists. I did not post a rate on my resume. It was a verbal agreement. When the owner tried to get me to agree to a lower rate I let out a shreek and he got the picture. So they kept shopping and ditched me when they got a bite. I backed out on a second interview for a medical review position in which I offered my time for twenty bucks an hour. I had a mini fantasy that I could work my way into a new field. But then I woke up. :(

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andhow in Fallbrook, California

35 months ago

flip in Des Moines, Iowa said: Hello hopeful students,

I received a good education in pharmacy. Real problem solving skills are taught even though there is a lot of memorization. The trouble is pharmacy schools and the puppeteer chain monopolies cannot help pharmacists to move toward a truly professional role.

If you can, go to medical school or PA school. The combined PharmD/PA programs appear like a viable gateway to being a real practioner. If I was not looking at retirement in 10 years, I would go to PA school.

The PharmD who could perform the roles of a PA would really get to use their knowledge and skills. That person could work at a medical clinic and solve medication management problems. BTW, guess why RPh's can't get jobs like that? (you fill in the blank).

That is what I am talking about! Thank you. This is a real issue though...what about giving rectals? :()It sounds silly and unprofessional but I bet the PAs get to do all the rectals. :( I would have to join a rectal support group.

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David in Atlanta, Georgia

35 months ago

What you are seeing in this country is the death of the middle class. With their passing, no one will have insurance to pay for medicine. Money will not be spent to boost the economy and the bedrock of the country will crack. There are thousands of college graduates flipping burgers or living off mom and dad today. We need to face the music, we ARE in a Depression that will equal or be greater that the Great Depression of 1929. I would not be surprised to see 40% unemployment in 2012 and mass unrest and lawlessness. We are beginning to see this with tent cities popping up full of so called protesters that are just mad at people who are productive and are making a living. Many retailers will go belly up in the coming 2 years. Pharmacies will be included. When businesses see the huge expense that is generated by pharmacy, many will close in supermarkets and other big boxes, despite the inconvenience caused be a few of their customers. Medicine will survive and physicians and nurses will still be around, but I"m afraid pharmacy is a luxury that will be done away with or greatly curtailed in the coming medical environment.To future pharmacy hopefuls, please wake up and go in another direction. If you just can't stand being out of the medical field, be a physician, a PA, or nurse. In the meantime, buckle up because it is going to be a long bumpy ride!

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Mo in Independence, Missouri

34 months ago

I think you are hitting the panic button a little to fast there David from Atlanta. 40% unemployment by 2012 are you kidding me? and pharmacy is not a luxury unless you think controlling your blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, infection, and so on and so on are considered luxury. Also can someone explain to me how do you figure the doctors and PA's and nurses are going to be just fine but pharmacists are not. Last I checked prescribing medications is a major part of what docgtors do and the main reason most patients go to see doctors is to get a prescription for something that is ailing them. Now I understand there is an over saturation problem in the pharmacy field and new pharmacy schools are popping up like zits on a 16 year old teenager but just like anything else in a capitalistic system it will eventually take care of itslef. But it doesn't hurt to e- mail your pharmacy association to let them know you are concerned and ask are they doing anything about it. My guess is nothing but if they get enough emails from concerned pharmacists they may actually do somthing to fix this problem sooner than later. Good luck to all of you that are still looking for jobs.

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DisillusionedOne in New York, New York

34 months ago

Pharmacy, as a career, is dead. People keep saying, well maybe, in the future, they'll morph into providing health services. Keeep dreaming! Nurse practitioners will fill that role if push comes to shove. So, unfortunately, you have to just keep memorizing your top 200 drugs only to find out that in the real world, everything you learned is already automated.
Techs are doing the "technical" work and pharmacists are reviewing the drugs that have already been scanned a million times on a computerized system to prove the drug is the drug prescribed, if there are interactions, etc. You really think chains will continue to pay pharmacists that lovely living salary to do what the automation already does. Ha. Knee-slapper!
If you're young enough and still thinking about pharmacy, think twice. Join another profession....oh wait, you could STILL be a pharmacy professor in one of the half a billion pharmacy schools in the U.S. That's one place that's still hiring pharmacists. Now your job will be to run the profession into the ground even worse than it already is by saturating the market.

DissillusionedOne

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PA SHMEE-A in Adrian, Michigan

34 months ago

andhow in Mira Loma, California said: Kids if you really want to know what the job demand is call the recruitment number listed on any of the major chain career sites. Say: "Thanks for taking my call. I just took my boards today and I am feeling pretty good about it. I was curious about any opportunities available with fillintheblank."
I promise you won’t have to go forward with an interview. You could also call any mom and pop pharmacy in your area (or pick an area you would love to live in) and say, "I am relocating next month and was wondering if you had any per Diem needs coming up."
I keep noticing the same old cut and paste "Do not believe the lies..." I know that if I had a killer job I would not cruise these forums for ANY reason. Indeed Indeed would not even enter my thoughts. In fact, even in the unlikely event that I had a bad day at my killer job and wanted to job hunt to blow off steam I would likely reach for the Sunday paper classifieds like I did to find my career kick off job circa 1995.
If you have it in you to make the grades and network get a dual PharmD/PA degree. If I could do it again that is what I would do. I am pretty sure I would not be writing to you. ;)
note: to those primarily interested in fat salary pharmacists make.... you should do it dude! Go to pharmacy school. The chains will pay back your loans! You can do it no problem. Just apply your depends, grab a bag of peanuts and you are off to drive that leased mercedes for a 12 hour park at the fillintheblank.

Not sure exactly what you are trying to say : The job market for pharmacists is not as great as you were led to beleive so become also a PA. Well as a PA , there are many opportunities but if money is what you want , it is not the field. In fact to all that are listening , if you are going into the HealthCare field for money--don't bother. It's not that you won't make a decent comfortable living -- just money is the wrong reason- its sounds like you job

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PA SHMEE-A in Adrian, Michigan

34 months ago

yardleyed in Morrisville, Pennsylvania said: I still have difficulty understanding that so many new pharmacists just don't get it--the pharmacy job market is failing thanks to the over-saturation of new graDUATES FROM THE MONEY HUNGRY SCHOOLS!
What does it take to wake up and smell the coffee? Pharmacy is bad and getting worse! Wait till you see what this year brings! The Chains giving big bucks to the Pharmacy schools has succeeded in making Pharmacists a dime a dozen! And yet so many are still too blind to see!!! See how benevolent and altruistic the chains will be treating their employees. If you think pharmacists didn't get much respect last year, Wait till next year!! When you are not in demand and can be replaced immediately, you have to learn to grovel on the ground!!

My friend agreed with also. He said that although some of these private for PharmD only schools, do provide you experience and how to pass boards, that they cater to people who had difficulty getting in traditional university school programs, some are probably good students but as with all of these schools also more likely to let subpar performers get in, especially if they can afford to pay. Another words these schools are not interested in weeding out nor keeping an over demand. And the ones who got the 3.9's and all the extra ECs and Voulunteer while and doing intern and free hours, may not have a job because of all the 2.7's -3.0 GPAs ( i'm sure not all) that go to these schools. GPA's at these schools could potentially if needed be inflated-so they look better in the work search0. So the guy with a 3.4 at a big Ten school is competing with a PharmD (vocational type) school with an inflated 3.8 (but had a 2.8 in pre-pharm), both passed for the same job.
Not sure if employers discern between the rank of schools now, I know they didn't care when the market was wide open and giving PharmDs sign on bonuses and loan forgiveness. A PharmD/PA was a PharmD/A.For us aC+PA= A PA

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