These Phlebotomy Schools are all a SCAM!

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Marisa in San Bernardino, California

39 months ago

So do you have a job now, and how long did it take you to find your first job? All the phlebotomist jobs that I am seeing are listing in their requirements at least 6 months of working experience (but most of them require a year) and at least 100 draws. I've called the HR departments for several of the openings I've found and they are telling me how competitive it is currently for licensed phelbotomists. For each job opening they post, they have 50 + applicants that apply who already have had 2 years or more of working experience. They also tell me with that many applicants who have 2 years or more experience, they don't even look at people who are new grads. All that competition for a job that the salary range for someone with the required experience is $10 - $14/hr. Seems like not a good career field to choose at the present time...? Any comments?

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MCraig in Manteca, California

39 months ago

Yep, not a good career field at the moment. I am currently a Customer Service Representative for a great company with comparable pay. So I have to say look elsewhere when considering phlebotomy. I will never get that $2600 back, not to mention the YEAR I wasted getting my license and searching for a job in that field.

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Mom4 in Santa Barbara, California

35 months ago

I was a full time phleb tech in CO at a major hospital doing rounds daily On the hospital floor. Like all of you the local hospitals and labs want experience: the program I am looking into to get my certificate is only 4 weeks long. Is this enough time to prepare for the state board? Do you have any idea if they look at at out of state experience? I also talked with someone at a local HR department and was told for every job opening they receive 50 applicatione. A Pretty daunting thought

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diggit in Perris, California

35 months ago

I am more mad at myself for not doing more research before paying all that money for my license. I went to the school on Bradley Street, as well. I finished first with great grades and can't even get a response for all the resumes out there. I truly, believe each school should show statistics for hiring and don't bother going to them or paying the money unless, they assist in job placement. That'll put most of them out of business and the scam is over! I can't even volunteer anywhere for the experience even when you offer to cover yourself with your own malpractice insurance. Our state needs to review the practices of this school.

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dee in Perris, California

35 months ago

& i was thinking to going to the school on bradley thank god i did research

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maria ledesma in La Habra, California

34 months ago

My experience was worst than u ever think of...I finished the course last December
2011 and got certified the same month but the school haven't send me for externship until now....and the worst was last week, my classmate with the presence of our instructor accidentally hit a nerve during our practice inside the school....I told the instructor I didn't feel good after that but she said its normal so I didn't go to see a doctor....
When I woke up the next day, my right hand was numb n kinda felt like weak....so I wasn't able to go to school. Passed one week, it gets worst cuz I can't even used my right hand to carry or hold things...so I went to the emergency...bec the school doesn't want to get the responsibility ....the doctor findings was Neurophaty....now I realized everything was like a bad dream...I saved money n gave my time to study....without finishing my externship , I am now lost everything....can't use my right hand ....the school doesn't want to do anyhing with me...so if u ever think of going to take this course pls think about it...

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Cee in Claremont, California

33 months ago

I dont know why people assume you can walk up ANY where with NONE or even little experience.I dont harp on the fact schools say they have job placement but there job placement is a joke.They gave me what I wanted in the end which was the education, so the least I can do is PLAY MY PART.

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Dede 213 in Richmond, California

32 months ago

Sounds like many people in this forum don't have the required experience needed for a phlebotomy job. Spend more time researching into phlebotomy programs before handing over your money. A program with a weeklong externship is nowhere near long enough. I attended a Kaiser school and the program lasted from August to November. Which included a month long 40 hr a week externship at a Kaiser hospital. Best decision I ever made and it was cheaper than other programs. Allot of schools out there are a complete rip off and leave students with no experience and a horrible drawing technique. Most major hospitals write off students from certain schools just because the programs are too fast. Best advice does a little homework before writing a check.

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T C in Hayward, California

30 months ago

Dede 213 in Richmond, California said: Sounds like many people in this forum don't have the required experience needed for a phlebotomy job. Spend more time researching into phlebotomy programs before handing over your money. A program with a weeklong externship is nowhere near long enough. I attended a Kaiser school and the program lasted from August to November. Which included a month long 40 hr a week externship at a Kaiser hospital . Best decision I ever made and it was cheaper than other programs. Allot of schools out there are a complete rip off and leave students with no experience and a horrible drawing technique. Most major hospitals write off students from certain schools just because the programs are too fast. Best advice does a little homework before writing a check.

yes, but did you find a job after going to the great school? And if so, is it full- time with good pay?

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T C in Hayward, California

30 months ago

Thanks for sharing your experience. $24 an hour gets spread pretty thin if several hours a day are eaten up working part-time, having your days monopolized by being on call or getting weird shifts that make finding other work difficult.

I appreciate your advice. The program sounds like a leap of faith, taking several years of part-time work to get enough experience under your belt to be considered senior enough to be a serious contender for most positions out there.

I also talked to a staff person at Alta Bates who said phlebotomy jobs are "feast or famine."

Doesn't leave one feeling terribly secure about prospects as a phlebotomist.

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Australian Phlebotomy Association Networ in Brisbane, Australia

26 months ago

j3lie in Perth, Australia said: You know what else is a scam here in Australia.

The Pathology Foundation

Run by Sister Lyn Leahy - Nursing Services Manager
P.O. Box 6016 Hawthorn West 3122
She apparetly resides in Melbourne NSW, however claims to fly all over Australia to run the course

It says it is a not for profit charitable medical education foundation.

I made a full payment and 1 day before class starts, she calls me up saying that it is cancelled and will will be postponed 3 months later.
I asked for a full refund because I may not be available that time. It took her 4 months to finally send a check it. BUT first I had to report it to the government consumer protctions and report a dispute through the bank as well. I was very close to bring her up to court .

Thanks for your feedback on this and other shonky providers in Australia. Our association is passionate about stamping out these providers who say they can teach people to collect blood in a weekend- or week for that matter. Please feel free if anyone else has had issues to let us know directly at admin@apan.com.au and please visit our website at www.apan.com.au.
Changes are currently underway that will mean this kind of thing will be stopped in the future but in the meantime- you do need to do your homework. Feel frre to contact APAN for any advice.

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pwmason

23 months ago

Mom4 in Santa Barbara, California said: Wow I couldn't believe that starting pay was $10 per hour. I get that at my mindless retail job ... Very disappointing .! That's what happens when health care is turned over to the government .... Sounds like our friend with Kaiser had a Pretty sweet deal . Best of luck to e everyone!

Please be not deceived, the staring pay @$10/HR was in effect long before Obama Care was passed and upheld by the SC. The pay scale for LPN'S and all other ancillary healthcare fields is extremely low and does not reflect the pay anyone in the health care industry should be receiving

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Ms. Brenda in Decatur, Georgia

21 months ago

I will have to agree with you for the most part. In fact, here in Georgia schools have been getting in trouble for the very thing you are talking about whereby they have promised so much but have delivered next to nothing as far as certification, employment, and wages are concerned. It's very VERY important for students to ask the right questions up front to ensure they are receiving what it is they need. It is true that it tends to be more difficult for "newbies" to find employment, but NOT if they are being properly guided. Medical Career Specialists offers a 2-day Phlebotomy Certification course/program to medical professionals who DO get EMPLOYED usually within 1-2 weeks following training. But this is because from the time of application, they help you begin the job hunting process which involves an in-depth and vigorous, fail-proof process which requires professional resume/cover letter preparation (FREE OF CHARGE) and much more. You may be able to contact Medical Career Specialists for good, useful FREE pointers on where to go from here: www.MedicalCareerSpecialists.com

ladimarion in Sun City, California said: I have been a certified phlebotomist since November 2010.

One week before, I was done with phlebotomy school, the school just happens to mention, "oh yeah, employers require six experience, before they will even consider hiring you.
Of course the school mentioned that at the end of the course, after they got my eigthteen hundred dollars. And that dollar figure, does not include taking the NCCT, and applying for a California Phlebotomy license. (Since California is the only state not to accept the NCCT certificate to work from. They get you for one hundread dollars just to have a license for California. All the others states accept the Nationals certificate).

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Ms. Brenda in Decatur, Georgia

21 months ago

Dayvon G in Brooklyn, New York said: I heard it is really tough to get a Phlebotomy job nowadays even if you do have a great amount of education and experience. @pwmason you are correct, the salary for a Phlebotomist has been at $10 per hour for quite some time now. smartphlebotomytraining.com/

Traveling Phlebotomists tend to make much better wages. However, this will depend upon the cost of living for your area. $10 is quite low for a Phlebotomist here in GA. Also, finding employment is not difficult if you know how to go about it. Nothing is difficult if you understand how it works. You know? Contact Medical Career Specialists an inquire about their book called "Allied Healthcare Employment Guide". It is currently on backorder, but once more copies arrive, they will be giving away several of them free of charge. Brief into to the book is here (ignore the price--inquire about the upcoming FREE give-away on their facebook page): medicalcareerspecialists.com/online_store.html

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nana in Lakewood, California

21 months ago

Dede 213 in San Leandro, California said: I currently work for Kaiser I'm on call but the hours at my site are pretty consistent for the most part but I'm happy. If your think your going to be hired in a full time position coming on at any major hospital then I wouldnt suggest this field for you. You have to build up seniority and apply for full time. Major hospitals don't even open those positions to the public. Starting pay is 24 hourly.

Could you tell me the name of the school you attended???

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Amarie Bell in Pensacola, Florida

21 months ago

Experience Experience Experience! How are you supposed to get experience if you never get hired because of the lack of experience.

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affy in Alipur, India

21 months ago

Hello friends, i need your help. i am living in Delhi,India.I am MS in Clinical Microbiolgy..and in my Bachelor degree i studied MLT in India..i a have 2 years full time experience as Phelebotmy technician in a hospital path lab.in India only DMLT...BMLT .Ms MLT are are authorize to draw blood. we dont have spelised phlebotomy course in India here.during my MLT course we are taught phlebotomy and we also get practical experience...so my question is do i need to do any Phlebotomy course in us for getting a job their..or even without course i am eligible to work as phlebotomy technician in USA.Please help me..

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21 months ago

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SuzyQ55 in Millersville, Maryland

21 months ago

Does anyone know anything about Baltimore Allied Health Training Center in Catonsville, MD. I am a CMA trying to get hands on phlebotomy experience and they supposedly have a one month training that qualifies you to take the national exam. It is around $450-500 I believe. You can also pay an optional $150 for a 1 wk internship. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

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Lilbleu32 in Alhambra, California

20 months ago

I am looking into phlebotomy schools and wondering if their is anyone out thier near me that has any good information for me? It says I'm in Alhambra but I'm in temple city so I live close to Alhambra. But I'm looking for a really good school if I'm going to pay a lot and that they r goig to help me find a job. So anyone please help!! Thank you!!!

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med homas in sche, North Carolina

20 months ago

you have to also be certified phlebotomy technician by many certification agencies like
National Certification Career Association www.nccanow.com
National Healthcare Association www.nha.com
National Compentent Center for Training www.ncctinc.com

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Jack in Hyderabad, India

18 months ago

Hi friends,
I found genuine website provides all information about CNA Training
cnatrainingcourseonline.com/

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VanessaFas in East Haven, Connecticut

18 months ago

Look for a paid internship ASAP. That's how you get on-the-job training, and it often leads to a job where you interned. That's what happened to my friend. It was good work.

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Charming D in Marietta, Georgia

18 months ago

I would not say every phlebotomy schools is a rip off you have to use your brain to pick them out. It today's world the healthcare market is really where the job is. A lot of schools are trying to make it easy for others to get their feet in the door and for those who are all ready there to advance up. yes some of the schools are expenses but you choose what you can afford do your homework to make sure the school is a right fit do not go on desperation because you want a change that is where most people go wrong. I have have been a Medical Assistant/Phlebotomist for 15 plus years and I paid a lot of money then I realize the it was all about money but I did work my butt off to learn all I needed. I went into it knowing the path i want want and working networking. When we had careers days and companies came out or if I met someone in the medical field i would let them know I was taking these classes and looking for a job. My first job out of school was working for community blood center as a phlebotomist making 7.35hr I work and learn as much as I could to get ahead and prepare for my next job after that job I got my first medical Assistant job from a girl that was in my class we became friends when she got hired she told them about me I got hired making 9.00hr. Once again I work to learn as much as possible. My point is nothing is set in stone no school can really promise you a job they can give you leads. But you have to put in the work in HARD work it's not easy but it can be achieve. I have worked so many medical job am not afraid to talk to people to get what I want. I have been a Medical Assistant/Phlebotomy instructor making 30.00hr I don't work for less than 25.00 hr. Because I have so many years experience there is not a person I can not draw on I have worked like an LPN/RN. I have doctor friends who call to ask me things I have spend my whole life to the healthcare field But you got to keep pushing and make serious sacrifice if you want something

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Dee in Los Angeles, California

16 months ago

How many people out there realize that most of the instructors in these phlebotomy schools are Doctors, Physician Assistants and Nurses they are the worse people to draw your blood. If you find schools with instructors who are phlebotomist you will have a good experience because they know how to draw blood that is their passion. I know a school in Los Angeles that will be starting they have teachers who are currently phlebotomist with 7+ years experience and they are working on having a job placement program. I am working as a phlebotomist and when i was hired i did not have any experience as a phlebotomist but i have a great personality and they looked at that and gave me the job. I am making $20 - $30 per hour. Take this from me the school i went to gave me a list of hospitals to call to do my externship. I drove 50 miles for two day to do it, did 35 draws in one day and the rest on the second day. I successful with my draws because i had to practice at home using family members. I don't recommend this school to anyone. I was referred by a friend. I graduated and now employed. The main thing look at the schools and see what they have to offer and also look at the instructors profile they must have at least 3 years of phlebotomy.
Good luck in the future.

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unhappy in Liverpool, United Kingdom

16 months ago

It's the same here in the United Kingdom (England is where I am). I'm an Enrolled Nurse in my own country, but couldn't find work in a similar capacity here. Before leaving Australia agencies told me they could offer me work as soon as I arrived as long as references & checks were OK, only to find that they required 6 months experience within the UK!
To broaden my opportunities, I completed a Phlebotomy Course thinking there would be adequate practical training incorporated into it....WRONG!! I found out later that I would need to attend two half days, miles away from home which I would have been prepared to do but the cost was exorbitant, & didn't include medical indemnity insurance, which I was expected to cover. To me, most of these courses are a wrought. They may have reasonable theoretical content, but management have no qualms knowing that you'll need substantial practical experience, yet the only practical experience offered is on dummies which they know is not adequate when applying for Phlebotomy positions. As long as they get their money - they don't give a damn! The basic Phlebotomy training I attended was reasonable, except for that. I did attend a more advanced course later down the track, & had to endure listening to a conversation about how much money they weren't making on this particular course - that 'people weren't buying it'. I wonder why. What's the point in outlaying a large sum of money on courses that will never get you a job!! The second course was much the same as the first, with different assignments to complete. These companies should be held responsible for supplying practical experience on REAL people, & maybe then it will sort out those who are genuinely trying to train people adequately to get a job in this field.
There should be strict regulations put in place to weed out those who are solely in it for the money.

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Dee in Los Angeles, California

16 months ago

Here in the United State in California you must have 50 sticks and 10 punctures in order to be certified by the state you cannot work without certification. It is wrong for schools to leave graduates out there without a leg to stand on.

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Dee in Los Angeles, California

16 months ago

How much u had to dish out?

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Dee in Los Angeles, California

16 months ago

Dede 213 in Richmond, California said: Sounds like many people in this forum don't have the required experience needed for a phlebotomy job. Spend more time researching into phlebotomy programs before handing over your money. A program with a weeklong externship is nowhere near long enough. I attended a Kaiser school and the program lasted from August to November. Which included a month long 40 hr a week externship at a Kaiser hospital . Best decision I ever made and it was cheaper than other programs. Allot of schools out there are a complete rip off and leave students with no experience and a horrible drawing technique. Most major hospitals write off students from certain schools just because the programs are too fast. Best advice does a little homework before writing a check.

How much you had to dish out to go to this Kaiser school ?

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unhappy in Liverpool, United Kingdom

16 months ago

Dee in Los Angeles, California said: How much you had to dish out to go to this Kaiser school ?

The course I attended was of two days duration, & cost nearly £300. The only practical experience was on dummies during those two days. If I agreed to attend a practical session, I believe the cost was actually more than the course itself, & was only for a day. In my opinion, this is nowhere near enough practical experience! I have applied for a few Phlebotomy positions, but nearly all job advertisements require previous experience. I am unable to apply through the NHS, as I am not an EU subject (British or European subject), although I do have a work permit. Non EU subjects won't even be considered for any positions in the NHS, unless they are unable to find an EU subject qualified for the job.

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FredHealth in Houston, Texas

16 months ago

jhonyson04 in Dallas, Texas said: There are lots of students select phlebotomy career and take admission in phlebotomy schools so that they get best training that enhances their skills and knowledge. There are lots of schools that offer best phlebotomy courses.
www.phlebotomytrainings.net/

In urban Texas hospitals, you can receive paid / discounted, in-house phlebotomy traing. You just get your texas CNA and apply.

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cathymarkuson@sbcglobal.net in Corona, California

16 months ago

Dede 213 in Richmond, California said: Sounds like many people in this forum don't have the required experience needed for a phlebotomy job. Spend more time researching into phlebotomy programs before handing over your money. A program with a weeklong externship is nowhere near long enough. I attended a Kaiser school and the program lasted from August to November. Which included a month long 40 hr a week externship at a Kaiser hospital . Best decision I ever made and it was cheaper than other programs. Allot of schools out there are a complete rip off and leave students with no experience and a horrible drawing technique. Most major hospitals write off students from certain schools just because the programs are too fast. Best advice does a little homework before writing a check.

Do you have to already b employed by Kaiser for this training program?

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True in Monroe, Louisiana

12 months ago

There is no phlebotomy license! Only a certification!
And any person in their right mind knows to not go to a school that is not accredited. if you do, then that is simply your mistake and you are to blame!

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Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California

11 months ago

I have to get my phlebotomy as part of the MLT program. I am doing it at LBCC in Long Beach. They were on this list of accredited schools on the CA website. Each state should have one.

www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/lfs/Documents/P-PhlebTrSchApprd-County.pdf

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Josie in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California said: I have to get my phlebotomy as part of the MLT program. I am doing it at LBCC in Long Beach. They were on this list of accredited schools on the CA website. Each state should have one.

www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/lfs/Documents/P-PhlebTrSchApprd-County.pdf

How's that going for you? How's the instructors and classes are they well explained and hands on?!:)

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Josie in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

How's that going for you? How's the instructors and classes are they well explained and hands on?!:)

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Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

Josie in Los Angeles, California said: How's that going for you? How's the instructors and classes are they well explained and hands on?!:)

It is great actually. They are awesome!! The teachers are really awesome. They train you to be perfectionist and think like professionals. They motivate you with their own life experiences. I will be doing the clinical part in April. It is from 4 or 5am until 9 or 10am for a two week period.

I had to take a class as part of the previous semester in order to gain some priority to register. The classes (one during the day and one at night, usually on Wednesday)is open to healthcare majors so its fairly in demand.

If you take the class it's very important you pass with an 85% or above. It is pass or no pass, not graded!

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Josie in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

What do you mean by "had to take a class as part of the previous semester in order to gain some priority to register?" The classes are taken in the day AND night, or is there an option of only taking it in the day? And is the clinic in the school or do they assign the students to a particular clinic?

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Josie in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California said: It is great actually. They are awesome!! The teachers are really awesome. They train you to be perfectionist and think like professionals. They motivate you with their own life experiences. I will be doing the clinical part in April. It is from 4 or 5am until 9 or 10am for a two week period.

I had to take a class as part of the previous semester in order to gain some priority to register. The classes (one during the day and one at night, usually on Wednesday)is open to healthcare majors so its fairly in demand.

If you take the class it's very important you pass with an 85% or above. It is pa
ss or no pass, not graded!

What do you mean by "had to take a class as part of the previous semester in order to gain some priority to register?" The classes are taken in the day AND night, or is there an option of only taking it in the day? And is the clinic in the school or do they assign the students to a particular clinic?

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Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California

10 months ago

It's just that coming in as a new student it seemed that I was getting the last of the registration appointments. I just feel like it wasn't until I took a class that I was able to get a decent appointment time in the next semester-- to be able to register early enough that I didn't have to wait list. Sorry for the confusion!

Also, they only offer two classes per semester. One is in the day and other is at night. They are on the same day of the week. The clinical sites are not on campus, they are at local facilities.

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JRiesgo@Regancareer.com in El Monte, California

9 months ago

Yes!!!! please do your research before entering any field especially if you are coming out of pocket, I am a Career Services Advisor for a school that provides Phlebotomy and I will be the first to tell you that it is very competitive out there, that does not mean that it is futile but you have to be realistic as far as your path in this field. The path to any lab and or Hospital takes you through field work that will get you your experience that will qualify you for Lab positions in the future. You have to realize that it is Contractual work and YES it starts off Part Time. Do not be deceived inform yourself!!!! if you would like more information please email me @ jriesgo@regancareer.com we are located in El Monte

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JRiesgo@Regancareer.com in El Monte, California

9 months ago

Lilbleu32 in Alhambra, California said: I am looking into phlebotomy schools and wondering if their is anyone out thier near me that has any good information for me? It says I'm in Alhambra but I'm in temple city so I live close to Alhambra. But I'm looking for a really good school if I'm going to pay a lot and that they r goig to help me find a job. So anyone please help!! Thank you!!!

Look at Regan Career Institute it is located in El Monte Ca.

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Undergroundjule in Los Angeles, California

9 months ago

JRiesgo@Regancareer.com in El Monte, California said: Look at Regan Career Institute it is located in El Monte Ca.

Yes, I agree to everyone posting about there experiences. This is a growing field so you can never say there are no jobs out there. There are no jobs where you are looking. Sometimes being the field you want may mean having to work in a new state or city. I noticed in CA there are not a lot of jobs in LA that are willing to take newbies, but there are lots of jobs further out.

Also, networking and studying is very important. Being the best you that you can be...and better. surprise yourself. Get attention. Good attention. Be that go to person and a yes man, or woman. That is the best way to get ahead and stay ahead. Good luck everyone!!

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Minh in Pleasant Hill, California

8 months ago

Does anyone take phlebotomy at Health Career College in Pleasant Hill, CA? The program has 10 weeks of didactic portion and 40 hours externship. It seems to be adequate for me to be prepared.

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Cat in Houston, Texas

8 months ago

Hello there, I'm about to start my clinicals in a hospital, can someone tell me what to expect? What would the starting pay be for a new phlebotomist clinic/hospital setting? I'm also curious about mobile phlebotomist pay/work wise? Thank you

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Damsel in Germantown, Tennessee

7 months ago

please are there accredited onlibe phlebotomy schools/program? please can u suggest any? thanks in advance

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Damsel in Germantown, Tennessee

7 months ago

Damsel in Germantown, Tennessee said: please are there accredited online phlebotomy schools/program? please can u suggest any? thanks in advance

online i mean, thanks

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Rob Schellinger in Lakeland, Florida

6 months ago

Damsel in Germantown, Tennessee said: online i mean, thanks

Really, you don't need a Phlebotomy program. Only two states require certification. I know California is one and I was sure Louisiana was the other, but someone above said NY which makes more sense. I have worked in the medical field for about 10 years. A Paramedic showed me basic Phlebotomy in about 10 minutes. The doctor I was working for at the time reviewed it with me for about 10 minutes. When I went through Medical Assistant school, we covered it in a day or so.

Pretty much the most important thing to know is the Order of the Draw (which tubes you use when and in what order). You can learn that for free online or have someone show you. You can go on iTunes and select the iTunes U service, search "Phlebotomy" and find free introduction videos which cover pretty much all you need to know. Everything else is OJT.

Long story short, spending $1,000 or so on a Phlebotomy program gives the school $1,000, you have that much less in your wallet and you get to take an exam for a nifty CPT after your name on your badge. That's pretty much it. Some might think it crazy that you spent that much money for three letters when you could've learned it for free. Unless your state requires it, I wouldn't bother. Start asking people who do Phlebotomy and they'll help you find all you need to know. If you have an employer who will pay for you to go to school, go for it. Otherwise, save your money (unless your state requires it).

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tiffany in Riverside, California

5 months ago

do you have the phone number for Kaiser because I want to take the course.

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LaKeyta Marshall in Cleveland, Ohio

5 months ago

where are the jobs...how can you get a job if they want experience?

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