YTB, Traverus, WorldVentures

I'm would like to get involved with one of these programs. I've just become a stay at home mom. I'm looking to supplement our income a bit. Needless to say travel benefits is not the main goal here, we won't be traveling for awhile (just had triplets)!! I'm looking for some feedback on these programs; negatives/positives/costs involved....Thanks

YTB Info........NoTravelMLMs.blogspot.com

OutsideThoughts in Atlanta, Georgia said: YTB Info........NoTravelMLMs.blogspot.com

www.NoTravelMLMs.blogspot.com

YTB, Traverus and World Ventures are MLMs and Card Mills. The money is made in recruiting others and NOT the actual sale of travel. Being a travel agent is hard work. There is no such thing as an instant travel agent.

travelresearchonline.com/cardmills/

For travel professionals, TraVerus’ offer can be quickly identified as a multilevel network-marketing scheme offering rewards for building the network’s membership as well as for travel sales. But to the unwary consumer the offer appears a legitimate business opportunity - and in an economic downturn a possible source of added income. Its doubtful that the average consumer is aware of the bankruptcy of Joystar or the allegations against YTB by the attorney generals of California and Illinois.

LOS ANGELES–California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. sued YourTravelBiz.com for operating a gigantic pyramid scheme that recruited tens of thousands of members with deceptive claims that members could earn huge sums of money through its online travel agencies…

…Today’s lawsuit against YourTravelBiz.com, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court today, is attached. The lawsuit also names affiliates which include YTB Travel Network, Inc., YTB Travel Network of Illinois,Inc., as well as the company’s founders J. Lloyd Tomer, J. Scott Tomer, J. Kim Sorensen and Andrew Cauthen.

Your Travel Biz.com (YTB), one of the hottest MLMs, a member of the Direct Selling Association and a company that is publicly traded on the stock exchange, has just been sued by the Attorney General of California for operating a "gigantic pyramid scheme." YTB has a "sales force" of over 340,000 and drew nearly 20,000 participants to its annual meeting in St. Louis. In the last year, the number of YTB "agents" grew 67%.

Pyramid Scheme Alert has had a report about YTB on its site for several months and noted that the "travel" scheme was the target of protests from legitimate independent travel agents.

Additionally, commission payout data on YTB are analyzed and included in the special report from Pyramid Scheme Alert, entitled the Myth of MLM Income Opportunity. The report revealed that:

* Just 1 in 2,000 (0.05%) of all YTB agents received over 48% of the total commission payout;
* 1 in 300 (0.36%) received 70% of total payout;
* The bottom 99% of the agents received a mean average of just $1.68 per week.
* YTB, like other MLMs, sends nearly all the money directly to the top, while promising "income" to those at the bottom. In fact, the money lost by those at the bottom is the profit to those on the top!
* Also, like nearly all other MLMs, YTB sales representatives seldom "retailed" the product of travel services. They merely "sold to themselves", i.e., "self-consumed". Each distributor's profits came from fees and purchases paid in by those in their "downline."

From the press release of the California Attorney General:
"YourTravelBiz.com operates a gigantic pyramid scheme that is immensely profitable to a few individuals on top and a complete rip-off for most everyone else," Attorney General Brown said. "Today's lawsuit seeks to shut down the company's unlawful operation before more people are exploited by the scam.
"YourTravelBiz.com and its affiliates operate an illegal pyramid scheme that only benefits members if and when they find enough new members to join the scam. Once enrolled, members who join the pyramid scheme earn compensation for each new person they enlist, regardless of whether they sell any travel. The company lures new members by offering huge income opportunities through online travel agencies yet the typical person actually makes nothing selling travel."

MLM in the travel business in particular preys upon those that can least afford to lose money. They promise riches, free travel, etc. and all then end up doing is ruining the reputation of honest Travel Agents. Among those that need to be stopped are YTB, World Ventures, Traverus, Coastal Vacations, and I'm sure many others. These pyramid schemes do nothing but make the people at the top rich and those at the bottom lose their whole “investment.”

One important thing to note is you are clearly pointing the finger at YTB, who yes, has had a questionable business plan. Don’t confuse them with World Ventures! World Ventures has a great opportunity for entrepreneurs and a wonderful travel membership for those who want to travel on twenty cents on the dollars. World Ventures will be to the travel experience what Starbucks has been to the coffee experience. I am a member. I joined to take the Dream Trips, I didn’t pay that much. I was never told I would make millions of dollars! In fact when I joined I was given a company disclosure statement on the business side of it.
YTB Travel Claims Pyramid Settlement, California Attorney General Says No.
LegalNewsLine:
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Legal Newsline)-Contrary to an e-mail sent to its sales force, the California Attorney General's Office said it has not reached an agreement with YourTravelBiz.com.

The Midwest-based Internet travel company claimed it has reached a settlement with the California Attorney General's office that would allow it to stay in business, according to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Tuesday. The company's stock prices rose with the report of the settlement.

But Scott Gerber, director of communications for the California attorney general's office said the announcement was premature.

"Attorney General Brown sued YTB last year to block it from operating its illegal pyramid scheme," Gerber said. "There is no final agreement at this point, and the attorney general would not enter into any settlement that did not change how YTB markets and operates its business in California so that consumers are protected."

According to the Post-Dispatch, YTB sent a e-mail to is sales force last night saying the company had reached a "tentative settlement agreement" with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who sued the company for $25 million.

When he filed the suit, Brown said the company was operating a "gigantic pyramid scheme," which the compa

Indeed :) It's a real shame!
An excellent book on the business is:
The New Professionals: The Rise of Network Marketing As the Next Major Profession
by James W. Robinson & Charles King
I am very interested in Dr. Charles King, professor of marketing at the University of Illinois at Chicago who has used World Ventures in this book, as an example of success in the industry. "
King is a Harvard Graduate and currently a professor at UofC

Osuileabaum in Southfield, Michigan said: One important thing to note is you are clearly pointing the finger at YTB, who yes, has had a questionable business plan. Don’t confuse them with World Ventures! World Ventures has a great opportunity for entrepreneurs and a wonderful travel membership for those who want to travel on twenty cents on the dollars.

Really? Well here's a link you should check out:

masterdebater.fortunecity.com/Rants/World%20Ventures%20Analysis.htm

It details how you'll end up losing money with World Ventures . . .

Here's a link to a website that gives some good information on how to avoid the many home-based travel agent scams that are out there:

www.homebasedtravelagent.com/scams.htm

Be sure to do your research and don't fall victim to those looking to rip you off . . .

It seems like you'll have to be very careful in selecting the best option from all of these people. Good luck!

Montana State Auditor's Office warns residents about WorldVentures.

"Pyramid schemes are illegal. Participants in a pyramid scheme that attempt to recruit new members are violating the law and may face administrative, civil or criminal actions against them. If you or someone you know has been approached to get involved in World Ventures or similar programs, please contact the Montana Securities Division."

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: That's funny. I am in WorldVentures for only 3 months and already made 3 times what I put into it and will never pay them another cent for any of my products or the business. Try getting both sides. If you aren't willing to pay the price (do the work), you will lose money in ANYTHING! It's a $360 investment for everything with WV. Try buying a McDonalds franchise. It will cost you $2Million before you even get a building and you get $150K a year profit back. So you have to go into your 14th year before you make your initial investment back. Go to college for 8 years to become a doctor. You spend $200K to get the education and then several hundred thousand more to get your practice open. Many of my friends spent in excess $75,000 to get through college and never made that much in a year and are now out of a job and losing everything. I paid $360 and am well on my way to financial freedom. SCHOOL and traditional thinking is a scam! Every business is shaped like a pyramid. The whole country is a pyramid. One guy on top, then his cabinet, the Senate, the House, all the way down to us poor saps who don't make anything and just keep making those at the top rich! Don't like pyramids? You better move to a socialist country. Or just wait till Obama turns this into one.

I am seeing a pattern here - a very clear pattern. When asked "Why isn't World Ventures considered a pyramid?" you'll get 3 pat answers from their reps.

1. "We are a multi-billion dollar company. If we were a pyramid, FTC would have shut us down." May I point you first to Acorn - bring in a whole lot more money than World Ventures does. Then may I point you to a competitor who, interestingly enough, even uses the same lingo to sell the product as WorldVentures - ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php?id=1737.

2. "All businesses are pyramids" The FTC defines pyramids as follows: "They [pyramid schemes] promise consumers or investors la

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2. "All businesses are pyramids" The FTC defines pyramids as follows: "They [pyramid schemes] promise consumers or investors large profits based primarily on recruiting others to join their program, not based on profits from any real investment or real sale of goods to the public." That does not describe “Every Business” as claimed above.

3. Their last resort if they are unable to con you into believing this hype will be to personally attack you. I know, I’ve been there.

All MLM's like World Ventures should be avoided at all costs!! Here's a link to a review of this "company" . . .

www.ripoffreport.com/Travel-Agents/Marc-Accetta-Kelly-A/marc-accetta-kelly-accetta-l-bxa93.htm

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: All MLM's like World Ventures should be avoided at all costs!! Here's a link to a review of this "company" . . .

www.ripoffreport.com/Travel-Agents/Marc-Accetta-Kelly-A/marc-accetta-kelly-accetta-l-bxa93.htm

Keep in mind that the above referenced website is run by someone that is a scam artist himself, and is wanted by Federal Authorities. Are you going to take information from that site as credible information?

I've been with World Ventures for almost a year and have had nothing but positive experiences with the founders and executives. We are one of the fastest growing travel companies in the world, we have great technology, great training, great benefits and we show people how to do what they want to do anyway - save on travel.

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: By the way, Bosco, did you know you can find ripoff reports about Tony Robbins, Donald Trump, Zig Ziglar and anyone else you want to find them on. Every one of the success trainers who have created thousands of independently wealthy people can be found in a negative light on the internet because some loser doesn't have the drive or ambition to help themselves so they go into personal attack mode. If these people spent half as much effort putting what they were taught into action as they do investigating every aspect of the trainers' lives, they would actually find out what they were taught works!

Way to go McKinny, TX. I am part of World Ventures and is just about Director level. You can't tell neg. people anything! They better stop shopping at Wal-Mart, hate to tell them what's out there about them! LOL

Here are some reviews of World Ventures:

www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/world-ventures-c247644.html

Pretty scary . . .

The Montana Securities Department has received inquiries and information indicating an investment program entitled World Ventures may be operating in Butte and surrounding communities. The program appears to be a fraudulent pyramid scheme.

World Ventures appears to be operating as a classic "pyramid" scheme, asking investors to put their own money in to get started. †It appears that $400.00 is the initial amount required for entry into the scheme. To recover their original funds the investors are required to recruit new participants into the program. Once a participant brings enough new recruits into the program, they climb up the pyramid to a point where they begin sharing in the pool of money obtained from new recruits.

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: Bosco, are you blind? Or just dumb? I have already pointed out that the article you are citing here is about a different World Ventures; one that exchanges currrency. I guess it is too much to ask for bitter people to do research! Geez!

Hmm? It's interesting that the required fee to get started in your MLM is also $400 . . .

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: Want the truth and the other side. You know, the side that people like Bosco and Lisa will never acknowledge or even open their mind to hear about?! Here it is:

worldventures.biz/truthwv/#blank

Yeah, go get the truth from the very people perpetuating the scam itself?? That's sound advice!!

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: Wow, Bosco, for once you are right! That is Pretty Scary! I had no idea that people could be that completely uneducated, ignorant and dishonest as to post complete fabrications and be allowed to keep them on an internet site that other mindless morons can go to just to read their lies and decide not to pursue their dreams because of what was posted by pathetic losers with no drive, no ambition and no character!

And what proof do you have that these are fabrications? How do we know everything you've said is not a fabrication?

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: Wow, Bosco, for once you are right! That is Pretty Scary! I had no idea that people could be that completely uneducated, ignorant and dishonest as to post complete fabrications and be allowed to keep them on an internet site that other mindless morons can go to just to read their lies and decide not to pursue their dreams because of what was posted by pathetic losers with no drive, no ambition and no character!

So you failed to answer the question. You said that the comments on the link I posted were complete fabrications. Once again, what proof do you have of this?

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: To get into the actual business, which is the "MLM" is $99. You are fabricating and making stuff up. And it's not an MLM, it's a network marketing company. MLM does not describe our pay system.

Hmm? So which is it? Is it an MLM or not?

LOL!!!!!! I love how you said "it's not an MLM, it's a network marketing company." Guess what? They are the same thing!

"Multi-level marketing (MLM), (also called Network Marketing) is a term that describes a marketing structure used by some companies as part of their overall marketing strategy."

"The structure is designed to create a marketing and sales force by compensating promoters of company products not only for sales they personally generate, but also for the sales of other promoters they introduce to the company, creating a downline of distributors and a hierarchy of multiple levels of compensation in the form of a pyramid."

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: "Multi-level marketing (MLM), (also called Network Marketing) is a term that describes a marketing structure used by some companies as part of their overall marketing strategy."

"The structure is designed to create a marketing and sales force by compensating promoters of company products not only for sales they personally generate, but also for the sales of other promoters they introduce to the company, creating a downline of distributors and a hierarchy of multiple levels of compensation in the form of a pyramid."

That's exactly why it's not MLM. We have a 2 team structure. 2 teams and paid to infinity, not multiple levels that end in each separate team. It's not the same. Sorry.

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: That's exactly why it's not MLM. We have a 2 team structure. 2 teams and paid to infinity, not multiple levels that end in each separate team. It's not the same. Sorry.

Here's a quote from you:
"To get into the actual business, which is the "MLM" is $99."

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: So you failed to answer the question. You said that the comments on the link I posted were complete fabrications. Once again, what proof do you have of this?

What proof do you have that they're credible resources???

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Hmm? So which is it? Is it an MLM or not?

LOL!!!!!! I love how you said "it's not an MLM, it's a network marketing company." Guess what? They are the same thing!

No, they are not.

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: If you want to know what the fabrications are on this link you posted:
www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/world-ventures-c247644.html ,

then go to it and read the long response I wrote there. People there have the numbers wrong, the company information wrong, the presentation facts wrong and it is just people making stuff up. When people can't get the facts or numbers right or the compensation plan right, it becomes obvious they are just pushing an agenda for someone else because they don't actually know what they are talking about. You are probably pushing the rhetoric of a bunch of YTB reps who want to discredit WorldVentures. Do you ask these people where their proof is???? Hmmmmm????? I didn't think so!

Many of the websites that are posted by the MLM, network marketing, and home based business bashers are sites with an agenda, with skewed, inaccurate surveys they use to meet their agenda. They only disclose the information that meets their agenda as well. You'll typically find very inaccurate information, including unfounded statistics, in their reports, that some on this form conveniently like to call their facts.

Texas Secretary of State "WorldVentures Holdings LLC NOT in good standing" - idek.net/bKV

Texas Secretary of State "WorldVentures Marketing LLC is NOT in good standing" - idek.net/bKa

Texas Secretary of State "WorldVentures Training LLC NOT in good standing" - idek.net/bKc

Texas Secreaty of State issues letter - WorldVentures Travel LLC NOT in good standing - idek.net/bKd

WorldVentures DreamTrips are not a bargain at all
These are BARGAIN DreamTrips???

DreamTrip 01-06-10 4 nts. Riu Vallarta $798 p/couple
GOGO WWV 01-06-10 4 ntis. Riu Vallarta $744 p/couple

Dream Trip 02-19-10 7 nts. Riu Palace Las Americas $2,798
GOGO WWV 02-19-10 7 nts. Riu Palace Las Americas $2,282

DreamTrip 03-27-10 4 nts. Riu Guanacaste $1,398
GOGO WWV 03-31-10 4 nts. Riu Guanacaste $1,168

Prices quoted on 11-07-09, prices per couple, same dates, same room category, includes all taxes and transfers.

DreamTips Membership for ONE YEAR – $199 first year plus $24.95 per month, total $498.40.

DreamTrip Price on 3 trips above: $4,994

GOGO WWV Price on 3 trips above: $4,194*

LOSS with the DreamsTrips Packages and Membership for FIRST year = $1,298.40.

LOSS without DT membership = $800.

*Consumer prices shown (retail). The travel agent/seller would make between 13 to 16% commission on the sale.

"As indicated in FTC v. Five Star Auto Club, No. Civ-99-1693, 2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 10548 (S.D.N.Y. 2000) and FTC v. Equinox Int'l. Corp., No. CV-S-99-0969-JBR, 1999 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 19866 (D. Nev. 1999), the FTC continues to consider a purported MLM in which most of the products are sold to the "distributors" rather than "retail customers" an illegal pyramid scheme. Id. ("Retail Sales do not include sales made by participants in a prohibited marketing scheme or multi-level marketing program to other participants or recruits in that scheme or program or to such a participants' own accounts")."

Fraud Education in Irving, Texas said: "As indicated in FTC v. Five Star Auto Club, No. Civ-99-1693, 2000 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 10548 (S.D.N.Y. 2000) and FTC v. Equinox Int'l. Corp., No. CV-S-99-0969-JBR, 1999 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 19866 (D. Nev. 1999), the FTC continues to consider a purported MLM in which most of the products are sold to the "distributors" rather than "retail customers" an illegal pyramid scheme. Id. ("Retail Sales do not include sales made by participants in a prohibited marketing scheme or multi-level marketing program to other participants or recruits in that scheme or program or to such a participants' own accounts")."

Nice work Fraud Education!!! Thanks for the info . . .

WorldVentures Guy in Mckinney, Texas said: Want the truth and the other side. You know, the side that people like Bosco and Lisa will never acknowledge or even open their mind to hear about?! Here it is:

worldventures.biz/truthwv/#blank

According to WorldVentures' "The Truth about WorldVentures" Marc Accetta, the Director of Training was ONLY an independent representative of Equinox and left the company before the FTC shut them down.

In fact, let me post word-for-word exactly what WorldVentures stated:

WorldVentures' Director of Training Marc Accetta was an independent representative with Equinox (again, not part of the ownership or management). His story is similar to that of Mr. Nugent and Mr. Azcue. Marc voluntarily resigned from Equinox approximately a year and a half before its closure by the FTC.

I guess Mr. Accetta must have forgotten he was named alongside Equinox International in a class action lawsuit in Lubbock, TX that was transferred to Nevada because the FTC was shutting them down !

He also must have forgotten he was involved with Trek Alliance, another illegal pyramid scheme shut down by the FTC.

70% of WorldVentures Representatives Don't Make a Dime

In 2008, 70% of WorldVentures' Independent Representatives did not earn a dime. idek.net/b1X

Fraud Education in Irving, Texas said: 70% of WorldVentures Representatives Don't Make a Dime

In 2008, 70% of WorldVentures' Independent Representatives did not earn a dime. idek.net/b1X

What a rip-off! What's even more interesting is that the money the Reps did make averaged out to $5.31 per week!!!

LOL!!!!!

He's also been banned from the site for violating policies, including but not limited to using multiple profile names, just as he has done here.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: What a rip-off! What's even more interesting is that the money the Reps did make averaged out to $5.31 per week!!!

LOL!!!!!

WorldVentures posted similiar results for the year prior -

During the fiscal year 2007, 26.5% of all Independent Representatives (“IRs”) earned a commission or override,
while 73.5% did not. The average annual commission or override earnings of all IRs, including those who did not
earn a commission or override, was $252.23. The average annual commission or override earnings of that group of
IRs who earned a commission or override was $952.74, and the median was $117. The data presented in the table
above is based only on those IRs who earned a commission or override within the fiscal year.

Bosco in Orlando, Florida said: Really? Well here's a link you should check out:

masterdebater.fortunecity.com/Rants/World%20Ventures%20Analysis.htm

It details how you'll end up losing money with World Ventures . . .

Mary in Michigan said..."The Reps market memebrships that allow the person to travel at deep discounts."
I say....I checked that out. Not usually so. I have found much cheaper cruises on other sites. Plane tickets are sometimes cheaper but for the most part, people are going to go to Expedia or Travelocity because they advertise. Almost no one knows of Rovia unless someone gives them a business card or flyer.

WorldVentures guy said.... "It's a $360 investment for everything with WV."

I say.... But you fail to mention that in order to not have to pay the monthly fees which add up to almost $80, or $960 a year, you need to get four people. And those 4 in order to not pay must get their four. And so on and so on. After the 22nd level, you have to have over 27 Billion people in WorldVentures in order for the the whole house of cards to keep going.

Brian J Wood said.....I've been with World Ventures for almost a year and have had nothing but positive experiences with the founders and executives.

I say.... Let's see how long WorldVentures will be around. Chances are that it will be gone in less than 10 years. Almost every MLM in history have not lasted for more than ten years. Amway was one of a few exceptions. The numbers just don't allow for MLM companies to last much longer than 10 years.

WorldVentures Guy said...... Try buying a McDonalds franchise. It will cost you $2Million before you even get a building and you get $150K a year profit back. So you have to go into your 14th year before you make your initial investment back.

I say....Man are you living in another world! McDonalds Franchises make more than 150K in profit depending on where they are located.
I know this because when I was younger, I was a manager for about 3 years at a friends McDonalds and he was pulling much more than that from his one store I was at.

Osuileamaum said....An excellent book on the business is:
The New Professionals: The Rise of Network Marketing As the Next Major Profession.by James W Robinson and Charles W king.

I say....Oh, is this the James W Robinson that says that Scamway is a great company in his book..."The Empire of Freedom"? Does he still feel that way after Scamway has been outed by some of its major players? Oh and isn't Charles W King the guy who now teams up with MLM companies to sell his endorsements because he has a PHD in marketing? Did you see the video of him giving WorldVentures an A in his endorsement? He was really out of it and had to be reminded which company he was talking about. HMMMM...........

These guys are part of the support industry that has grown around MLM. They usually make a lot more by writing books, selling DVD's and CD's and selling them to MLM newbies than what they are making in their MLM company. Others are Tim Sales, Mike Dillard, Deagan Smith and many many more.

Lisa's Education failed in Irving in Mckinney, Texas said: Mary in Michigan said..."The Reps market memebrships that allow the person to travel at deep discounts."
I say....I checked that out. Not usually so. I have found much cheaper cruises on other sites. Plane tickets are sometimes cheaper but for the most part, people are going to go to Expedia or Travelocity because they advertise. Almost no one knows of Rovia unless someone gives them a business card or flyer.

Hey, Steve, nice to see you here too. You are actually at least civil on the other site. I assume Cynical/Lisa/Fraud in Irving lady invited you all here to battle me. If you were all so happy that the foul mouthed filthy minded moderator banned me, why are you all here to attack me??????

In response to your post here. Yeah, you can find cheaper deals sometimes, but we also have a price matching policy. Did you know that? Not many people know of us because Rovia is only 9 months old. Nobody knew who Expedia was after 9 months either. It took Twitter 8 years to become a household name. Twitter doesn't advertise either. I have a response to your last post on the other site. The soapboxmommy thought she would slap my hand and remove it since I was banned. I will post it here because I honestly want some intelligent responses. See, unlike Lisa and foul mouth, I actually respect YOU a little, so I would like your opinion.

I know of the price matching...problem is that when someone else goes to your site, they don't. They see the price and go to other sites.

As far as Twitter, Google and all the other companies that are mentioned at the meeting, I have to disagree. You see, those companies have advertising....it's called stocks. WorldVentures does not. Rovia does not either. And all the companies mentioned did not have to pay to have people mention their company. In order to get paid for mentioning WorldVentures, You have to pay.

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See, unlike Lisa and foul mouth, I actually respect YOU a little, so I would like your opinion.

Gee just a little? How much is a little? Like 5%? 10%? You see I actually do not care what people think of me one way or the other. I do respect peoples opinions and do not wish anyone harm and just would like for people to have peace in their lives. I refuse to call people names. If you want to continue with WorldVentures, that is fine with me. I just would like to point out that the numbers do not support long term growth and success with any MLM company. As I have stated, it would take an infinite number of people to support any binary MLM plan. WorldVentures has a binary plan.

I was not invited here but took interest in MLM when doing some web surfing a few months back. I came to this site after doing a Google search on MLM this evening. I know people are very emotional about MLM and their companies both pro and anti. I just want to warn anyone about MLMs as they are usually headed by unscrupulous people. Do your homework and hopefully in ten years you will not have to say..."Gee I wish I would have listened".

Lisa's Education failed in Irving in Mckinney, Texas said: "WorldVentures Guy said...... Try buying a McDonalds franchise. It will cost you $2Million before you even get a building and you get $150K a year profit back. So you have to go into your 14th year before you make your initial investment back.

I say....Man are you living in another world! McDonalds Franchises make more than 150K in profit depending on where they are located.
I know this because when I was younger, I was a manager for about 3 years at a friends McDonalds and he was pulling much more than that from his one store I was at." - Ohio

Steve, I got these numbers from a gentleman who owns 3 McDonalds. I don't think he was lying to me.

Also, going back to the last post, you also forget that people who own the business save between $2,000-$10,000 per year on their taxes, which more than makes the cost of the business or monthly fees worth it. Travel gets even better tax write-offs than most home based businesses.

No smart businessperson waits 14 years to get their investment back. Ever.

When you say that people who own their own business save between 2k and 10k.....sounds like the same spiel that I heard at a WorldVentures meeting. To be in a business to just save on taxes is not a business at all. It is a tax dodge. That's ok. Just don't get caught. Seriously, saving money on taxes is not the best reason to buy into an MLM. There is no real good reason to. MLM's just plain do not work.

My questions to you is ..... have you made any money at all with WorldVentures? Are your checks as big as you expected them? What about the numbers. Can you, Mr. Lisa's Education failed in Irving in Mckinney, Texas, see that it takes an infinite number of people to support a binary plan? That the company you have glommed on to is planning that you fail and will eventually close its doors due to the numbers not being able to support the compensation plan?

Lisa's Education failed in Irving in Mckinney, Texas said: At least with MLM, you have a fighting chance at making good money, even if only for a short time. I would like to read a point by point, well thought out rebuttal to this showing where I am wrong on these points.

Here are some great links to help you identify and avoid MLM scams:

www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

www.mlm-thetruth.com/

www.pyramidschemealert.org/

www.mlmwatch.org/