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james in Stockton, California

89 months ago

I am prescribed oxycontin for my hand and back. Will this stop me from getting my medical card when I do the DOT physical? Im not worried about the job, as my father owns the trucking company, I just need to know if they will find out about the prescription as I am being prescribed oxycontin in NV. and Im trying to get my license in CA.

Thank you.

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midnightrider in Lima, Ohio

89 months ago

james in Stockton, California said: I am prescribed oxycontin for my hand and back. Will this stop me from getting my medical card when I do the DOT physical? Im not worried about the job, as my father owns the trucking company, I just need to know if they will find out about the prescription as I am being prescribed oxycontin in NV. and Im trying to get my license in CA.

Thank you.

you bet it will oxycontin is after market heiron

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haywe2004 in Chicago, Illinois

89 months ago

Does anyone know of any trucking companies that are hiring drivers who have successfully completed an SAP program?

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Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio

88 months ago

craig condrey in porum, Oklahoma said: not all trucking companys use dac if you fail a drug test for mcdonalds it will not show up on your dac or dot back ground only when you hold a cdl licenes does it get tracked also the dot physical urine anylasis does go on your driving record so that one is a sure bet to discount you from working for anyone else this information can be found in the truck drivers bible

Do you have someone watching you when you take these drug tests?

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Gene in Columbus, Ohio

88 months ago

Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio said: Thank You Gene. Gene i have no dui and 1 arresst back in 96 for drug trafficing that was reduced to possession a Misdemeanor. Do you think i can get hired to drive?

It depends on how it shows up on your criminal record. The Federal Motor Carrier Association regulates who a trucking company can or cannot hirer to drive, and the rules during the course of employment. There are only 2 major criminal issues that will prevent, by law, you from becoming a truck driver:

1.Distribution of, possession with intent to distribute, or importation of a controlled substance. (illegal drug)

2.The use of criminal force such as with a gun or knife.

If it shows up as just a possession 14 years ago. You maybe ok.

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Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio

88 months ago

Gene in Columbus, Ohio said: It depends on how it shows up on your criminal record. The Federal Motor Carrier Association regulates who a trucking company can or cannot hirer to drive, and the rules during the course of employment. There are only 2 major criminal issues that will prevent, by law, you from becoming a truck driver:

1.Distribution of, possession with intent to distribute, or importation of a controlled substance. (illegal drug)

2.The use of criminal force such as with a gun or knife.

If it shows up as just a possession 14 years ago. You maybe ok.

Gene thank your very much for your help. I just looked it up and it still says trafficing in drugs. I am going to contact a lawyer to see if i can get it expunged before i try to become a driver. I hope it works. Just cuz you helped me i will post back here to let u know how it turned out. Thank You Very Much Gene!!!!!

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Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio

88 months ago

Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio said: Gene thank your very much for your help. I just looked it up and it still says trafficing in drugs. I am going to contact a lawyer to see if i can get it expunged before i try to become a driver. I hope it works. Just cuz you helped me i will post back here to let u know how it turned out. Thank You Very Much Gene!!!!!

BTW Gene i sent out for a copy of my report from the link you posted-- it directs you to hireright i believe-- thanks again

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Bluz in Winchester, California

88 months ago

Here is what I would do if I came back positive when no drugs were used. I would go to a clinic where they use the most strict standards and give blood, urine and hair. From what I understand, if you used drugs several months ago, it will show up in the hair test. It's pretty much if any part of the hair was on your head when you used the drugs, it will show up. I would probably repeat the test at a second clinic and pay for all the tests. Next, I would take my results with the technicians and doctors written verification to the best attorney that I could find. I would take dead aim in court at the clinic and labs that botched the drug screen.

I would use my life savings to mount a counter attack to reclaim my life. I suspect that a jury will compensate you for the "accident". It is pure and simple and case of malpractice that ruined your life.

But that's just me.

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savga54 in Augusta, Georgia

88 months ago

I tried submitting a hair,blood sample at the time of my positive result in 2007. The FMCSA, DOT, AMMRO's will only accept urine samples. Once your sample comes back positive, even a false positive, their word stands. Their only responses are stated in the "Rules and Regulations" manuel. Their guidelines are like talking to the walls and that's the way they wrote it. If you can hire a lawyer, if you can't, like me, look for other driving jobs that don't require DOT inspections. Remember, your driving license is good, no moving violations, your DOT physical card is still good, Your MVR is still good. Just try not to waste your money on the SAP program, they offer no guarentees, just give them $300-$600 and still won't be able to find employment. If it's been within 1 year, and no drugs were involved, Call Labcorp and ask them to check your sample for DMSO, DIMETHYL SULFOXIDE. My call came a little late. Let me know how this turns out.

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Bluz in Nuevo, California

88 months ago

They don't get to decide if the hair sample is good, "the jury does". Again, I would spend my life savings on an attorney. The lab and clinic will be in court along with my evidence that I was clean. The evidence would be two urine samples, two hair samples and two blood samples each performed by separate labs. All of the samples would show no trace of drugs and they would be collected the day that you received the results. Don't worry about the cost of the attorney, the jury will award you attorneys fee's along with punitive damages.

It requires passion and anger which I would have if they gave me bad results that injured my reputation and my job.

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gotcha_city@*****.*** in Orangevale, California

88 months ago

i failed a drug test at a truck driving school. it's been almost 3 &1/2 yrs sense that dreadful day. i want to go on the record saying that i do smoke maryjane from time to time. but i quit because i knew i was going to be drug test. the day of the test a classmate offered me a poppy seed muffin & i failed the test. i need to know can another school find out if i failed the test. & how long will it take for that failed drug test to fall off my record.

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Billy5884 in Columbus, Ohio

88 months ago

gotcha_city@yahoo.com in Fair Oaks, California said: thank u for your reply.i did send for my dac report from a company called hireright have u head of them. and on the report it stated that there wasen't any report on my record for any drug related misshaps, but the thing was they only went back 2 years i then called them and they said they checked something called a data base and there was no history under my name. so is there a way for a truck driving school to know if i went to a school and then failed a drug test there.

you should be ok if hireright said they did not have any info on you an its not in there data base.

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gotcha_city@*****.*** in Fair Oaks, California

88 months ago

Billy5884 in Columbus, Ohio said: you should be ok if hireright said they did not have any info on you an its not in there data base.

thanks for youre reply. it really helped

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Nathan in Greensboro, North Carolina

88 months ago

If you did the urine test and doctor says to you that there was sugar in your blood and that you are diabetic. The same thing happened to me twice and i went to re-test with another doctor who used sugar solutions to test if i was came to find out that i was not diabetic.I guess it was what i ate or drank that morning could have raised my blood sugar. I am not diabetic and it is not in my family. Do you guys think i can go apply for another OTR job with another company than going back to the first job that i was tested negative as to sugar?

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Superbikeman33 in Murfreesboro, Tennessee

88 months ago

I know for a 100,000,000,000% FACT (LET ME REPEAT!!!) FACT!!!! That you can have a false positive! While admitting that I did take oxycodone because of surgery where I had a plate and 7 screws (which I happened to be allergic to the screws), I NEVER in my LIFE have taken a barbituate!!! I tested positive for it. Granted this was luckily not a DOT test. But it definitely possible! I didn't and still really don't even know what a barbituate is. I know the only thing I took was oxycodone and tylenol. Not even another OTC medication! Just so NO-sayers will stop saying you're doing drugs when I know for a fact that you CAN have a false positive!!

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lynn03carter in Los Angeles, California

88 months ago

tsorr in Republic, Missouri said: how long does it take for pot to leave your urine-hair?

Depends on what drug you do? If you smoke Mary and your a lite smoker it will be removed from your urine system in three weeks. For drugs to be removed from hair folicle it will take six months.

Good Luck!!

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lynn03carter in Los Angeles, California

88 months ago

Billy5884 in Columbus, Ohio said: you should be ok if hireright said they did not have any info on you an its not in there data base.

Most companies that do backround checks go to a website named hireright. You can go to that website too and request a backround check on yourself.

There are boxes you can check to find out what other comapnies have said about you and also failed drug test. My spouse requested one on himself. The report you will receive in a few days through the mail is named a "DAC" report. If you failed a drug test it will stay on your Dac record for three years from the date you failed it. When the three years have come in will be totally removed.

Good Luck!

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lynn03carter in Los Angeles, California

88 months ago

Steven in Brooklyn, New York said: I recently was hired by a company. I had to travel half way across the country to do thier orientation. To keep it short I came up possitive for marajuana. I have been a driver for 5 years pulling tanker and mostly hazardous material. I have been drug screened on average twice a year. Prior to truck driving I have been tested on average once a year all my adult life. I have never failed a drug in my life until then. Honestly I don't know how the result came back positive. I can't say I have never done marjuana, however, I had not done any since I started driving back in 2001. The company said they could offer me a rehab program and I was offended. I now have a failed screen showing up on my DAC report and am being black balled from every good job I try to get. I have no clue what I can do to fix this, and it is extremely frustrating that I can not get a good job. I am stuck working for small companies who don't check DAC. Does anyone know how I can fix this?

Your positive drug testing will stay on your DAC record for three years and after three years it will come off.Then you can go back to looking for a job with the large freight companies again, until then you are going to have to start working for the small freight companies. This happened to someone I know.

See we aren't the privileged and rich like Hollywood where as if your on prescription narcotics and driving down the road toward traffic like Ms. Richie was and receive a slap on the hand from the law. Another example Ms. Paris Hilton drunk driving and then driving again with a revoked license and had to spend an hour in jail because of this. There is two sets of laws one for the poorman and one the richman.

Good Luck!!

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lynn03carter in Los Angeles, California

88 months ago

battman in Baltimore, Maryland said: go a (sap) program and some companies that is all u have 2 do and some want u to wait 3 years. It been 3 years for me but i have to attend a (sap) course.

No you don't have to do SAP. If it has been three years,any positive drug test should be removed from your DAC record. Go to hireright.com and request a complete backround check on yourself and you will see everything. If it has been three years and the positive test is still showing, call them to remove it.

All past employers are NOT allowed to tell any potiental employer about why you were discharged, it's illegal.Past employers are only allowed to state the date you worked for them, your title and duties. They are not allowed to say how much you made or any termination reasons or bad mouth you, etc. I worked in Human Resources and gave out info all the time on past employees, so I know what can and cannot be said.

Good Luck!!

Good Luck!!

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dacfix in Dallas, Texas

88 months ago

Lynn03 Carter in Los Angeles, California said: Most companies that do backround checks go to a website named hireright. You can go to that website too and request a backround check on yourself.

There are boxes you can check to find out what other comapnies have said about you and also failed drug test. My spouse requested one on himself. The report you will receive in a few days through the mail is named a "DAC" report. If you failed a drug test it will stay on your Dac record for three years from the date you failed it. When the three years have come in will be totally removed.

Good Luck!

Lynn03,

Please be sure that you are advising drivers as well that the carrier can and will list a company policy violation in the employment history section of the DAC report and this stays on for 7 years. I understand that carriers are not suppose to say anything in regards to a failed drug test but it happens everyday in the trucking industry.

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oldpunko in Sacramento, California

87 months ago

hey any one who is running trucking company will give me a chance to drive their one of their trucks and I had my CDL since may 2009 no one hired me becuase I was fresh out from trucking training program in sacramento and another issue I have to wait one more point to drop off this year july 2010 that be 2 years coming up that point that was a minor accident no ticket no one injury that was class c at the time . never had DUI or DWI or felony nothin at all except one point for speeding jan 2008 so what is your suggestion I am now 45 year old and I am dead serious getting a truck driving job I aint going back kiddie money jobs . plse e mail kevinblack440@yahoo.com cheers .

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ohioboy in Port Richey, Florida

87 months ago

im about to start school i told the recuriter about my weed charge 4 year ago can they still send me home when i get there .I ve herd its happened

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Roger Siebert in Grand Rapids, Michigan

87 months ago

I would think that as long as you pass all pre employment drug screens you would be ok but if test positive now forget it your done.Other wise your recruiter should of informed you different before you signed up if you told them.Smart thing to do is ask but yes i have herd of them not accepting for a prier conviction also.Truking companys do what they want when they want you will learn that.

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ohioboy in Port Richey, Florida

87 months ago

Thanks for the info I will make sure to call her in the morning.

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capulet47 in Chicago, Illinois

87 months ago

Ms Jackson in Las Vegas, Nevada said: Please contact me I can show you how to fix the failed test issue with DAC.

1nightcargo@live.com

Please tell me how I can fix the failed test issue with DAC. I have been out of work for 15 months and I need to find out how this can be done so i can get back to trucking.

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battman in Baltimore, Maryland

87 months ago

some people say wait 3 to 10 years to fall off your dac. Go to a sap program and complete it and some big companies will hire you when you complete it.2 more weeks and i will complete mines and jb hunt will hire me.It can be expensive depending on your insurance

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roger in Grand Rapids, Michigan

87 months ago

It will never be removed from your DAC record,unless the company that put it there removes it.It just listed as a company violation after 3 years. It is still there in the back pages of your report as failed drug sceen.If another company calls the company that placed this on your record and does not pull you DAC record it just depends on what they tell your prospected company.Also going throgh a rehab is irelevent to some companys and not even look at you if your have a failed drug screen.

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TDSOB in Odessa, Texas

87 months ago

roger in Grand Rapids, Michigan said: It will never be removed from your DAC record,unless the company that put it there removes it.It just listed as a company violation after 3 years. It is still there in the back pages of your report as failed drug sceen.If another company calls the company that placed this on your record and does not pull you DAC record it just depends on what they tell your prospected company.Also going throgh a rehab is irelevent to some companys and not even look at you if your have a failed drug screen.

Negative vibes man... WOW!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0w4YoUmfQ

I'm not sure but I don't think dispatchers are allowed in here.

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Jayslay34 in Oxford, North Carolina

87 months ago

Ronnie in Los Angeles, California said: Let me say this everybody is difference. I been driving for 3yrs. Retired from office work, and I have a few things in my past that I am not proud of. Some of us have done things in the past like 20yrs ago and it is still biting us in this field. And I think if the courts (Federal, State) can forgive y not this field of work that we're n can't. Dont make since.

I totally agree .... I still have a problem with the law in general .. I had a situation with a former bank that i used back in 99 - 01... anyway long story short I had to go to court to pay off some checks... that's on my criminal record (misdemeanor) and because i was with a bad bank I get penalized for it... Not right at all!! But trust me, I'm not crying i'm just stating a fact because even with that and a false positive that a company tried to bury me with .. my faith in GOD is strong and he has always provided... Yes, I'm employed and still doing what i like to do, which is driving ... I really don't have anything to complain about..

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Jayslay34 in Oxford, North Carolina

87 months ago

roger in Grand Rapids, Michigan said: It will never be removed from your DAC record,unless the company that put it there removes it.It just listed as a company violation after 3 years. It is still there in the back pages of your report as failed drug sceen.If another company calls the company that placed this on your record and does not pull you DAC record it just depends on what they tell your prospected company.Also going throgh a rehab is irelevent to some companys and not even look at you if your have a failed drug screen.

Well that's not entire true Roger... If you have some kind of reason why you think that its a false positive you can have it removed but you most likely will need help... I used dacfix and they helped me win my case and I got it removed...now the verification forms that companies use is a different story.. Even if you win, they have the choice to go along with the findings or they can continue to report it for the 3 year period.. It sucks but thats life...

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

HEY CYRUS I TAKE TRAMADOL FOR ARTHRITIS WILL A HAIR TEST SHOW IT AUTOMATICALLY? I KNOW IN A URINE TEST THEY HAVE TO TEST FOR IT SPECIFICALLY BUT IM CHECKING AROUND TO SEE IF I NEED TO TELL PROSPECTIVE COMPANY I USE IT BC IT IS ON A DOT NON APPROVED DRUG LIST

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FS in Lynn, Massachusetts

87 months ago

Jayslay34 in Oxford, North Carolina said: I totally agree .... I still have a problem with the law in general .. I had a situation with a former bank that i used back in 99 - 01... anyway long story short I had to go to court to pay off some checks... that's on my criminal record (misdemeanor) and because i was with a bad bank I get penalized for it... Not right at all!! But trust me, I'm not crying i'm just stating a fact because even with that and a false positive that a company tried to bury me with .. my faith in GOD is strong and he has always provided... Yes, I'm employed and still doing what i like to do, which is driving ... I really don't have anything to complain about..

Yeah, someone I know has a record but everything is dismissed. In Mass. it doesn't matter every arraignment shows up with the outcome. If an employer decides to pull your record at anytime they'll see it.

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jamesallmon

87 months ago

Trucking co. Telling me thay go back 7 years on drug test th law is 3 ?

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John in San Diego, California

87 months ago

gramps17 in Sebastian, Florida said: anyone who takes a chance with their licence by using drugs or alcohol deserves what happens to them. I know here in Florida we are starting to see people losing their jobs or not being able to be hired because of any kind of points on their record because the insurance companies tell the truck owners they will either raise their rates or cancel them.This can be a good thing for those of us who have excellent driving & criminal records, weeds out the people who should'nt be driving anyway. Its not hard to not get a ticket,or have your beers on a saturday night & not drink. Like I said, this opens up the market for the pros, (people who take their cdl seriously).I managed to get a higher starting rate & this was before this recent insurance situation because I could save my employer $$$$. Keep this in mind when applying: Things are tight all over diesel is $4.00 gal., insurance, up over 20% so a trucking company has to save $ any way they can.They used to absorb the slight increase, but no more

What about the Drivers that don't smoke marijuana, but their spouse significant other has a medicinal card to smoke for medical reasons? How and where can those drivers get help if they test positive on a drug screening? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

SECOND HAND MARIJUANA SMOKE DOES NOT SHOW UP IN URINE TESTS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RESIDUAL THC TO REGISTER, AND A HAIR TEST WILL POSSIBLY SHOW UP RESIDUE ON YOUR HAIR, BUT SINCE THEY DO ACTUALLY WASH THE HAIR OF ALL CONTAMINANTS BEFORE THEY TEST IT, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO NOT GET CLEANSED BEFORE THEY TEST IT, IN THEIR OPINION YOUR ACTUALLY USING, BECAUSE ITS THE BY-PRODUCTS INSIDE THE HAIR FOLLICLE THEY'RE TESTING FOR. YES ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRUE STORIES OF FALSE-POSITIVES, BUT OVERALL EVEN IF YOU DON'T USE, STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO DO WHILE THEY ARE USING EVEN IF THEY ARE FAMILY MEMBERS WITH PRESCRIPTION WEED USE. MAKE THEM GO TO A SECLUDED AREA (I.E. GARAGE, OUTSIDE PORCH, AN AREA OPEN TO GOOD VENTILATION) WHERE THEY CAN LESSEN THE CHANCES OF CONTAMINATION TO YOU. I SMOKED WEED SOCIALLY WHEN I WAS ABOUT 19-24. BUT ONCE WHEN I WAS 32 I SMOKED WITH AN OLD FRIEND THE DAY BEFORE I GOT POPPED FOR A RANDOM D.O.T. DRUG SCREEN. IT DID NOT SHOW UP. I'M A BIG GUY SO I DO TRULY BELIEVE THE OLD SAYING SIZE COUNTS. MAYBE IT WAS LUCK, MAYBE IT WAS A PHYSICAL FACT THAT IF YOU TRULY DON'T DO A LOT OF SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T STICK WITH YOU.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

USUALLY WHEN YOU TELL A RECRUITER THE WHOLE TRUTH, IF THEY ARE CONTINUING IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE APPROVED YOU OVER THE CHARGE.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

John in San Diego, California said: What about the Drivers that don't smoke marijuana, but their spouse significant other has a medicinal card to smoke for medical reasons? How and where can those drivers get help if they test positive on a drug screening? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

SECOND HAND MARIJUANA SMOKE DOES NOT SHOW UP IN URINE TESTS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RESIDUAL THC TO REGISTER, AND A HAIR TEST WILL POSSIBLY SHOW UP RESIDUE ON YOUR HAIR, BUT SINCE THEY DO ACTUALLY WASH THE HAIR OF ALL CONTAMINANTS BEFORE THEY TEST IT, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO NOT GET CLEANSED BEFORE THEY TEST IT, IN THEIR OPINION YOUR ACTUALLY USING, BECAUSE ITS THE BY-PRODUCTS INSIDE THE HAIR FOLLICLE THEY'RE TESTING FOR. YES ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRUE STORIES OF FALSE-POSITIVES, BUT OVERALL EVEN IF YOU DON'T USE, STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO DO WHILE THEY ARE USING EVEN IF THEY ARE FAMILY MEMBERS WITH PRESCRIPTION WEED USE. MAKE THEM GO TO A SECLUDED AREA (I.E. GARAGE, OUTSIDE PORCH, AN AREA OPEN TO GOOD VENTILATION) WHERE THEY CAN LESSEN THE CHANCES OF CONTAMINATION TO YOU. I SMOKED WEED SOCIALLY WHEN I WAS ABOUT 19-24. BUT ONCE WHEN I WAS 32 I SMOKED WITH AN OLD FRIEND THE DAY BEFORE I GOT POPPED FOR A RANDOM D.O.T. DRUG SCREEN. IT DID NOT SHOW UP. I'M A BIG GUY SO I DO TRULY BELIEVE THE OLD SAYING SIZE COUNTS. MAYBE IT WAS LUCK, MAYBE IT WAS A PHYSICAL FACT THAT IF YOU TRULY DON'T DO A LOT OF SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T STICK WITH YOU.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

OHIO boy in Port Richey, Florida said: im about to start school i told the recuriter about my weed charge 4 year ago can they still send me home when i get there .I ve herd its happened

USUALLY WHEN YOU TELL A RECRUITER THE WHOLE TRUTH, IF THEY ARE CONTINUING IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE APPROVED YOU OVER THE CHARGE.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

87 months ago

Gene in Columbus, Ohio said: It depends on how it shows up on your criminal record. The Federal Motor Carrier Association regulates who a trucking company can or cannot hirer to drive, and the rules during the course of employment. There are only 2 major criminal issues that will prevent, by law, you from becoming a truck driver:

1.Distribution of, possession with intent to distribute, or importation of a controlled substance. (illegal drug)

2.The use of criminal force such as with a gun or knife.

If it shows up as just a possession 14 years ago. You maybe ok.

ALSO IF YOU EVER USED A CMV DURING THE COMMISSION OF A FELONY

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dacfix in Dallas, Texas

87 months ago

jamesallmon said: Trucking co. Telling me thay go back 7 years on drug test th law is 3 ?

The drug/alcohol section is 3 years. The employment history section which would list a discharge and company policy violation is 7

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Richie in Guildford, United Kingdom

86 months ago

I'm a truck driver in England and I can't believe what I'm reading. It seems that if you smoke marijuana in the USA you can be drug tested several weeks later and fail, and are then unemployable.

Where is the impairment? You may as well say that you should lose your licence because you had a beer last month.

We used to condemn the Soviet Union for its intrusion on its citizens' private lives but that pales into insignificance compared to this. People of America, wake up!

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

86 months ago

WELL FIRST OFF SMOKING WEED IN THE USA IS ILLEGAL AS ROBBERY. SO IF IT SHOWS UP, THEN YOU MAY NOT HAVE SMOKED RECENTLY BUT THAT DEFINITELY SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE AND MAY POSSIBLY CONTINUE AFTER THE DRUG TEST. AND SINCE DRIVING AN 80,000 LBS VEHICLE ISNT A GAME EMPLOYERS IN THE USA TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SMOKE DOPE, LET THEM DO IT AT A MCDONALDS OR TACO BELL WHERE THEY WONT KILL SOMEBODY.

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Richie in Guildford, United Kingdom

86 months ago

Yes, but what for example if they had smoked marijuana somewhere where it was a perfectly legal activity, for example in Holland while on holiday?

How would that cause impairment a month later? The whole thing seems bizarre to me, the only thing I can think of that comes remotely near it is the Salem Witch Trials.

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Jayslay34

86 months ago

Richie in Guildford, United Kingdom said: Yes, but what for example if they had smoked marijuana somewhere where it was a perfectly legal activity, for example in Holland while on holiday?

How would that cause impairment a month later? The whole thing seems bizarre to me, the only thing I can think of that comes remotely near it is the Salem Witch Trials.

You make a good point!! I totally agree... I don't do drugs anymore but i do still respect a persons right to enjoy their private time... In the US, these companies use drug testing as a scapegoat and a form of control... When it comes to pot, we have the technology to test concentration level just like alcohol... Y?? Control

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

86 months ago

I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS- I LIVE IN THE USA, DRIVE TRUCKS IN THE USA, AND THEREFORE I FOLLOW MY COMPANY'S AND STATE'S LAWS IN THE USA WHICH SAY USE OF MARIJUANA IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. THERE'S NO TEST THAT WILL ACCURATELY TELL EXACTLY HOW MUCH ILLEGAL DRUGS YOU USE, WHEN YOU DO OR DON'T USE, OR IF YOUR GONNA DO THEM AGAIN. IF IT'S IN YOUR SYSTEM, THEN YOU'VE DONE ILLEGAL DRUGS THEREFORE YOU MAY DO THEM AGAIN AT ANYTIME SO POINT IS IF YOU DON'T SMOKE OR DO DRUGS THAT ARE ILLEGAL IN THE USA, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN DECIDE TO TRY SOME, HENCE IF YOU DID IT IN HOLLAND, YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING IT ALREADY. I GUESS IN THE END, THAT'S PART OF THE JOB, WANNA DRIVE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, YOU DON'T GET TO DO ILLEGAL DRUGS SO IF DOING WEED AND OTHER ILLICIT DRUGS IS YOUR THING, PICK ANOTHER CAREER. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE A BIG ARGUMENT FOR SOME, I KNOW, BUT BOTTOM LINE IS D.O.T. DOESN'T WANNA SEE ANY ILLEGAL DRUGS IN YOUR SYSTEM. I MEAN I KNOW I'VE SMOKED IN THE PAST WHEN I WAS A KID, AND I NEVER FELT AS IMPAIRED AS WHEN I DRANK AND GOT PISS DRUNK, I NEVER WOKE UP WITH A HANGOVER FROM WEED, NEVER GOT ANGRY BECAUSE I WAS SMOKING WEED LIKE SOME PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY GET DRUNK, AND ALTHOUGH I'M SURE IT HAS HAPPENED, YOU HARDLY EVER HEAR ABOUT A BAD ACCIDENT OCCURRING BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS SMOKING WEED, BUT DRIVING DRUNK, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. PLUS IF IT SHOWS IN YOUR SYSTEM AFTER A BAD ACCIDENT, EVEN IF THE TRACE ELEMENTS ARE SO LOW THEY CAN TELL IT HAD BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE YOU LAST SMOKED, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ALMOST AUTOMATIC GUILTY VERDICT IN ANY TRIAL NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE. SO END POINT, WANNA DRIVE CMV'S IN THE USA, CAN'T DO ILLEGAL DRUGS AND EXPECT TO DRIVE FOR VERY LONG OR WITH A GOOD COMPANY. KINDA LIKE THE MILITARY, IF A MAN LOVES HIS LONG HAIR AND DOING WHAT HE WANTS WHEN HE WANTS, DON'T ENLIST.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

86 months ago

Jayslay34 said: You make a good point!! I totally agree... I don't do drugs anymore but i do still respect a persons right to enjoy their private time... In the US, these companies use drug testing as a scapegoat and a form of control... When it comes to pot, we have the technology to test concentration level just like alcohol... Y?? Control

I THINK THE THING ABOUT WEED IS STRICTLY BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL. NOT THAT IT SO MUCH MORE IMPAIRS YOU ANYMORE THAN ALCOHOL BUT ITS ILLEGAL ALCOHOL IS NOT. SURE WHY NOT MAKE WEED LEGAL? THATS A WHOLE OTHER DEBATE.

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Richie in Guildford, United Kingdom

86 months ago

It seems strange that someone who has dabbled with marijuana or cocaine in their youth can be disbarred from working as a truck driver, although it is no impediment whatsoever to becoming President of the United States. I don't condone drug use among truck drivers, but if this is about enforcement of drug laws then by extension, everybody in the USA should be drug tested regardless of their job, and face the same penalties for transgression.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

86 months ago

WELL IF BY YOUTH YOU MEAN A FEW MONTHS PRIOR TO YOUR CURRENT AGE THEN YA THEY WILL TARGET THAT. THE WORST DRUGS DONE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME WILL ONLY STAY IN YOUR BLOOD SYSTEM FOR UP TO A FEW SHORT MONTHS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WERE TAKING AND HOW FREQUENTLY, BODY MASS, METABOLISM, ETC. AND HAIR FOR AS LONG AS IF YOU HAVE HAIR THAT YOU HAD WHEN YOU DID DRUGS, IT'LL SHOW BECAUSE BLOOD VESSELS FEED HAIR FOLLICLES. APPROXIMATELY A HALF INCH OF HAIR GROWS PER MONTH SO IF YOU HAVE 12 INCHES OF LENGTH, YOUR HAIR CAN BE TESTED BACK AS FAR AS TWO YEARS. MARIJUANA IS THE "STICKIEST" DRUG BECAUSE THC TAKES SO LONG TO GET OUT OF THE BODY. BUT I SMOKED SOCIALLY FOR A FEW YEARS WHEN I WAS 19-23 AND WHEN I GOT MY CDL IN 2000 IT NEVER SHOWED UP AT ALL. ONCE IN 2002 I SMOKED A JOINT WITH A LONG TIME FRIEND AND GOT POPPED TWO DAYS LATER FOR A RANDOM DRUG TEST AND IT DIDN'T SHOW UP SO I FEEL WHEN IT DOES SHOW UP, A PERSON HAS USED MORE THAN ONCE MORE FREQUENTLY. BUT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR OPINION BOUT DRUG TESTING EVERYBODY, THAT IS STARTING TO TAKE PLACE IN MORE AND MORE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF CAREERS MORE NOW THAN EVER WITH MORE COMPANIES ADOPTING A DRUG FREE WORK PLACE. BUT IN ARGUMENT OF THE SAME PENALTIES FOR OTHERS AS TRUCK DRIVERS, IT SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME BECAUSE A PERSON WHO BURNS A BATCH OF CHICKEN OR FRIES OR DOESN'T GET A REPORT TURNED IN ON TIME, DOESN'T DO THE HARM THAT A PERSON WHO DRIVING AN 80,000 LBS TRUCK DOES IF HE REAR ENDS A FAMILY OF 4 IN AN SUV AND KILLS THEM. BOTTOM LINE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE JOBS AND CHOOSE CAREERS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR THEM TO USE. I DON'T EVEN DRINK ANYMORE EXCEPT OCCASIONALLY AT HOME BECAUSE OF A FEAR OF EVEN GETTING A DUI MUCH LEAS A DWI. A PERSON WEIGHING 300LBS CAN BE CONSIDERED IMPAIRED EVEN AFTER BOUT 4 BEERS OR LESS. A DUI OR DWI IS PRETTY MUCH A DEATH SENTENCE TO A CDL HOLDER AND CAN PRETTY MUCH GIVE UP BEING HIRED BY ANY GOOD COMPANIES FOR LIFE.

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BIGDADDEE12006 in Arlington, Texas

86 months ago

Anthony in Fort Wayne, Indiana said: In September of 06, I failed a drug test. Its the first I have ever failed in 26 years of driving big truck. My boss allowed me to take Federal S.A.P I paid for it out of my pocket. I kept my job. Here's the kicker, The test was false positive. My boss cocered me into admitting somthing I did not do. Now wait a minute, I know what you're going to say, why would I allow this if I did'nt do it? I have a family. They come first. I take specific medication for stomach ulcers that test positive for THC. Also, my personal physicion has told me he has seen this come up positive many times. Now I am out of work due to the company almost folding and, I am hitting a brick wall when I apply with other Trucking companies. Hellllllp!!!!

WELL I HEAR YA ABOUT THE FAMILY THING AND HIND SIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20 BUT ALL YOU CAN DO NOW SINCE YOU SHOW A FAILED DRUG TEST IS PLEAD YOUR CASE WITH FUTURE EMPLOYERS. WHEN YOU SHOWED A FALSE POSITIVE, YOU COULD HAVE FOUGHT IT THEN WITH YOUR MEDICAL DOCTORS TESTIMONY ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TAKING. THAT'S WHY THEY ASK WHAT PRESCRIPTIONS YOU TAKE WHEN YOU TAKE YOUR TEST. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO APPEAL IT BUT I DOUBT IT'LL DO ANY GOOD BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN THEY TAKE YOUR SPECIMENS, THEY TAKE TWO AND IF ONE COMES POSITIVE THEN THEY TEST THE OTHER AND IF IT COMES POSITIVE THEN ALL THEY HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT IT SHOWS AS OPPOSED TO KNOWING IF YOUR MAIN DIET INVOLVES POPPY SEEDS OR YOU TAKE A MED THAT COULD SHOW A FALSE POSITIVE. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ASK FOR A HAIR TEST DEPENDING ON HOW LONG YOUR HAIR IS AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THE TEST WAS TAKING I.E. IF THE TEST WAS 1 YEAR AGO AND YOUR HAIR IS APPROXIMATELY 6 INCHES OR MORE THEY MAY DO THAT BECAUSE BLOOD VESSELS FEED THE FOLLICLES AND HAIR GROWS APPROXIMATELY A HALF INCH PER MONTH. ANYWAY GOOD LUCK MAN!

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Richie in Guildford, United Kingdom

86 months ago

Well I agree that there should be enforcement of drug/driving laws, we have roadside drug tests for truck drivers in Europe, but these are saliva based and so detect use within the last 24 hours which seems fair enough. It's not just the narcotic thing though, I've been reading more about DAC and it seems that even minor accidents, traffic infringements or disagreements between drivers and employers can result in a driver becoming virtually unemployable with no recourse, and this does seem to offend the general thesis that the punishment should fit the crime. If anything, this heavy-handed approach is likely to push people into more serious offences if they cannot support their families through work.

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