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Bob in Holley, New York

64 months ago

I own my own company and, Im trying to wrap my brain arround the stupidity of using any prohibited drug while on or off duty or even while working in the trucking industry, turning up a bad piss test, then bitching about not being able to find a job right after being canned. I can sympathize with somone who was slipped a loaded brownie but its the oldest excuse right next to "its not mine" and the tests are accurate. O.K. I will agree that A one time f#@k up and its been years since your DAC should be cleared after five to seven years. The only thing I can sugestis set up your own DOT aproved testing program and it will cost about $ 100- $150 bucks. You can sign up with a consortium dirrectly and request a mininum number of testsyou want at least three. If you work for any employer that tests get a copy of all results, keep them and give them to any trucking company you apply at. By the way, as per FMCSA regs any trucking company that hires you is required to do a background check.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California

64 months ago

lapazleo said: Yeah right accidently ate them cookies.No such thing as medical marijuana.Quit making excuses.I've heard them all before.We don't need the likes of you in the trucking industry.Drug screening should be tighter not looser.We got enough problems in trucking with out potheads and dopers.

You must be living in the DARK AGES IDIOT!!!!!!!!!! 16 States now have medical marijuana. Pastries look and taste like regular pastries. I owe you no explanation, only my family, and they know it was an accident. In fact my company even has given me good recommendations and the only reason they wouldn't take me back is insurance. How many accident free miles do you have? How many roadside inspections do you have with no violations? Hell how many trs experience do you have? I HAVE OVER 5 MILLION MILES ACCIDENT FREE!!!!!! NO ROADSIDE VIOLATIONS EVER!!!!!!!!!! 32 YEARS EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEAH NO LOG BOOK VIOLATIONS WHETHER IT BE EOBC OR PAPER LOGS. SO WAKE T.. F..K UP
Fuuny never failed a random in the past and entered a SAP and haven't failed one there either. It was an accident. I am only pointing out for my fellow drivers to be very careful what they eat. God Bless and be Safe

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ellen1776 in Atwater, California

64 months ago

I know my son was drug free but the coworker was by his own admission and the coworker passed and my son did not!! The lab worker doing the test was real friendly with the co worker laughing and talking to him in Spainish. Go figure!!
So my advise be very careful with your testing and make sure your sample is put in your envelop. My son was distracted during the time the lab person packaged his sample. My son had never failed a drug test and has not failed any since. He had to stay out of the trucking business for about 4 or 5 years. He recently was hired with a small trucking firm and it very thankful for this job.

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kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas

64 months ago

+It is sad that there are so many unapathetic people on this planet. People make mistakes all the time. In trucking, if you smoke pot, you are equivalant to a rapist or a murderer, at least that is the way that you are treated. They tell you to take the SAP program. Even then it is as if you did nothing. They should say what they really mean. If you happen to test positive for THC, throw those CDLs away. Instead they tell you to spend that money you are going to really need, because no one is going to hire you after that. Save tht money and get forklift certified and get a job. God Bless and good luck.

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DIXIEGIRL54 in Woodville, Mississippi

64 months ago

Micky in Las Vegas, I would just like to say VERY WELL SAID.I wish you lots of luck

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bill in Tracy, California

64 months ago

Bob T in Cleveland, Ohio said: big m how far do they go back and check isn't 14/15 years long enough to pass a background check

In ca. they can only background check you for 5 years for misdemeanors and 7 for felonies,and they are not allowed to check your personal credit anymore.Check with dak wich was bought out by unisys the background company.every thing I've wrote can be googled for those experts out there that don;t know the real answers.

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FRANK in Chicago, Illinois

63 months ago

freed10 in Kingsport, Tennessee said: try carolina cargo

DID YOU EVER FIND A JOB HELP ME OUT IN THE SAME BOAT TY LY3DFRANK@YAHOO.COM

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shadowchaser in Franklin, Kentucky

63 months ago

I was working for a very small company out west and came home after 7 weeks out for holidays, I smoked the day I got home. The next day they told me I would have to take a random, I actually passed the random, then I decided as long as I was home I would apply for a job that was closer to home the day after I applied they called me to take drug screen but I had left town for the holidays, so I took the test 1 week after I had passed the random, and didn't hear anything back. So I left back out for the company out west and turned my truck in and as I was driving the 1000 miles back home expecting to go to work for the company I had done the preemployment test with I was called by lab and told I failed the pre employment screening. Does that mean now since I was not working for that company and had already quit the other that it will prevent me from applying to another small company for cdl job? Any input on this would be greatly appreciated

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

You need to check you DAC before you do anything. And it depends what state you live in if DMV finds out and puts it in your record. The companies lab/DOT Dr. has a legal obligation to report it to the following states DMV office. Here is a cut and paster from www.firstlab.com
REPORTING POSITIVE DOT DRUG AND ALCOHOL TESTS TO STATE CDL AGENCIES
Eight States (AR, CA, NC, NM, OR, SC,TX and WA) have enacted legislation or issued regulations that require employers, Medical Review Officers (MRO), or Breath Alcohol Technicians (BAT) to report positive DOT drug and alcohol tests to a State agency. The requirements apply to DOT drug and alcohol tests conducted on individuals who hold a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL) issued by the State.
Arkansas requires both employers (motor carriers) and MROs to report positive alcohol tests, verified positive drug tests, and refusals to test on DOT testing of AR CDL holders. All reporting is done via a subscription web-based reporting system. AR Motor carriers and MROs must register with the AR Dept of Finance and Administration, Office of Driver Services.
California requires that MROs, BATs and TPAs report to the California Highway Patrol every positive DOT drug and alcohol (>0.04 BrAC) test conducted on a CA CDL holder. The report does not include any individual test identification information (e.g. employer, driver name, CDL license number, SSN, etc.); only the date and reason for the test, the drug(s) detected, and the alcohol level >0.04 BrAC.
North Carolina requires employers to report DOT positive drug and alcohol tests on NC CDL holders to the State using a standard “Positive Drug Test Report” form. Under the NC statute, the driver’s CDL is suspended until the driver or the employer provides proof of successful completion of the SAP assessment and treatment/rehabilitation process.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

New Mexico requires employers to report DOT drug and alcohol positive and refusal to tests on CDL holders to the NM DMV. The DMV will enter the information on the CDL holder’s motor vehicle record. Pre-employment refusals to test are not reported. The positive/refusal to test information will remain on the driver’s record for 5 years.
Oregon’s regulation applies to positive DOT drug test results; positive alcohol test results are not reported. The MRO initiates the report using a standard Oregon State form and forwards it to the employer. The employer completes the form and forwards it to the State agency. The information is entered into a State database and released to employers only with a signed release from the driver. No actions are taken on the driver’s CDL.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

South Carolina requires employers to report positive DOT drug and alcohol tests on all SC CDL holders (both
employees and applicants). The statute also requires reporting of any refusals to test and adulterated/substituted
drug tests. The employer must complete SC CDL-18 form and submit it to the SCDMV within 3 days of the DOT
violation.
Washington requires MROs and BATs to report positive DOT drug and alcohol test results on individuals holding
a WA CDL directly to the State using a standard form. The SAP assessment/treatment report is submitted by the
SAP to the State. For the 1st and 2nd violations, the driver’s CDL is suspended until successful completion of the
SAP assessment and rehabilitation process is documented by the SAP report to the State. For a 3rd violation
within 5 years, there is a lifetime suspension of the CDL.
Copies of the applicable State forms or instructions are available on the FirstLab website, under the Resources tab.
The FirstLab MRO Department initiates and completes reports as required under the statutes and either forwards
them to the employer Designated Employer Representative (DER) or directly to the State agency as appropriate
TX is also on the list but for some reason will not allow me to cut and paste

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

And you are gonna have to take a DOT/SAP. program!!!!!!!!!!! And check this out. It will be VERY HARD for you to get a job. I went through a DOT/SAP couldn't find a job. Joined a DOT Random Consortium because I couldn't find a job and wanted to continue with my six randoms in 12 months. Got my return to Duty after taking SAP classes. Passed my test. Gave Four Clean Randoms. THEY DON'T COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 YOU MUST BE EMPLOYED FOR ANY OF YOUR RANDOMS TO COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It's a nightmare and living hell. If you had killed someone you would have a better chance to get a job. SAD BUT TRUE. It's a mistake you may have to live with for a very long time. More than likely the company you failed for reported it. If you're lucky they didn't and I wouldn't report it. Good Luck in your journey. IT'S A LIVING HELL. And for all you sarcastic people who NEVER DONE WRONG/MAKE A MISTAKE. LOOK IN THE MIRROR

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

bill in Tracy, California said: In ca. they can only background check you for 5 years for misdemeanors and 7 for felonies,and they are not allowed to check your personal credit anymore.Check with dak wich was bought out by unisys the background company.every thing I've wrote can be googled for those experts out there that don;t know the real answers.

The problem with the state laws is that Fedreal over rides State. Trucking companies hiring drivers MUST use Fedreal guidelines.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

DIXIEGIRL54 in Woodville, Mississippi said: Micky in Las Vegas, I would just like to say VERY WELL SAID.I wish you lots of luck

Thank You Dixie Girl. Hope your health is getting better. As far as these "Jerks" is they think they know all. Nobody does. There is always something new to learn if they would only open their eyes, and quit being so judgemental. What is the saying? "to error is human"
Might have found a job. However it's a lease program and we all know what they are about!! But I Need to get back out there and support my family. Oh and by the way. I NEVER!!!!! GO INTO SOMEONES PLACE AND EAT ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!! UNLESS I ASK WHAT;S IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that sad what this has all come down to?

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DIXIEGIRL54 in Brookhaven, Mississippi

63 months ago

Yeah things have really gone down hill in the trucking industry but glad to hear about the job.If leasing is the only way to get your foot back in the door,then I say go for it.You can probably lease for about a year and then you might have the creditiblity back,maybe you can get rid of the lease and get back with a company.I wish you and your family lots of luck and Merry Christmas

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

Happy Holidays back at ya. That's my feelings about leasing. But gotta do what you gotta do. With all the changes in trucking I not even sure if it's worth it. But I need to get back to work. The guy already knows I checked him out and his rep is not to good. I will just tape all conversations to cover my butt.

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redrum in Orlando, Florida

63 months ago

Does anyone know of any small companys that hire people with no experience or schooling that have a current class a CDL????

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aslucero in Belen, New Mexico

63 months ago

hello lilee420,

I seen your post below from a forum. I had just got my cdl and was going through swift orientation and failed the ua for pot. Can you tell me what company might be able to give me a shot?

Thanks,

Antonio Lucero

LiLee420@aol.com in Charlotte, North Carolina said: Tommy in Salisbury,

I work for a company in Maryland, that a lot of driver's do not care for. I make good money, and get home to see my family when I ask for it, on average every 2-3 weeks. I do not see what all the complaining was about?! If you would like information on who to talk to and would like to use that so called " worthless CDL" then I can try to help you get hired. If you are convinced that Trucking is not for you, or think it is too demanding. Then for both of our sakes, do not waste my time. I would just hate to hear you say that again. My CDL is the best decision I ever made. I make a good living for my family, pay for my truck, taxes, fuel, and still run on average 3300 a week, and make over a grand a week. What else do you want in life?

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ern2528 in Pasadena, Texas

63 months ago

to who ever is reading this comment?.just resighned aug.28 2011.,i have been wrking for this co. for 1yr 8mo.i got called in for a random on my day off.but i coudent go cause i was out of town,now its on my dac. but i went to dac fix and the only thing they did is just explained it at the bottom of the refusel.but its still thier?i started wrking for this shady co . but after a month to wks they found out by my old co. and they let me go just recently on nov 28,2011,.i have never had an accident,or a speeding ticket, i have been driving for 8yrs,.very clean,and follow dot regulations to the t.never did the sap.program,.ive been reading some of the comments and i guees its true your better off causing mill. in dameges, and still get a job then a refusel.? can i or will i get another job in trking or just put the logbook up as a distant memory.?

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tek_baskota@*****.*** in Syracuse, New York

63 months ago

how can you help ? i am recent graduate from one of the trucking company. i had valid CDL with allendorsement.but i failed pre-employment drug/alcohol screening test.on 14th october 2011. but i worked with licenced DOT social worker and i am authorized to do any safety functioning job . is there any one to help me in getting trucking job i would really appriciate .

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smoothshifter in Daytona Beach, Florida

63 months ago

mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada said: And you are gonna have to take a DOT/SAP. program!!!!!!!!!!! And check this out. It will be VERY HARD for you to get a job. <snip> IT'S A LIVING HELL. And for all you sarcastic people who NEVER DONE WRONG/MAKE A MISTAKE. LOOK IN THE MIRROR

I'm in the same situation as you. And yeah, I failed a random for weed for smoking during my off time, and it was a bout of non-discipline that brought my career to a screeching halt.

Sold cars for the last year and hated it. Now I collect unemployment, and want to return to driving and do it the right way, instead of LYING about my past job history like some people do.

For the record, my DAC is clean, and my state doesn't suspend your CDL for a failed UA. Yet. But I still want to take the SAP program and get my name cleared the right and correct way per FMCSA guidelines. And yes, you are right. You have a better chance of getting employed after robbing a bank than failing a drug screen.

For all of you simpletons who like to scream, "Well, we don't need druggies on the road" - you all seem to jump to the conclusion that we are tooling down the highway with a bong duct taped to the wheel, running over baby strollers while clapping our hands and listening to death metal. It's not the case. Most of your horror stories are from drivers who missed a clinic and got pegged for a refusal, or foolishly partook in their downtime. The hard core drug users either cheat the tests, or lie about their job history. And continue to drive.

It's the honest people who screwed up who suffer and get treated like the dregs of society. It's okay for Hollywood and rock stars to kill and maim people in their Lambos - we forgive them.

And for the record, I don't smoke pot now. It cost me too much ( I lost everything and declared bankruptcy) and until it is legalized and socially accepted like alcohol, it'll stay that way.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

Good Luck in your search. IT CAN BE DONE!!!! It will be diffucult though. I commend you on wanting to do this correctly. Just find a DOT/SAP. Very important that they are DOT/SAP certified. If not you are wasting your time. Upon completing the requirements of the SAP, yopu will get a return to duty. Then and only then can you LEGALLY return to a safety sensetive position.(DRIVING).
You said you have sold cars for the last year. DO NOT LET TOO MUCH MORE TIME PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The reason being is now you are going to run into the "Recent Experience" problem. If you are going to run local it won't be a problem. However running the road most companies want two years recent exp. some want two years in the last three.
I understand the reasons behind the DOT Regulations. AND I feel that what you do at home on your own time is your business!!!!! But the law is the Law. If they would implement a swab, or blood test over a urine or hair test, I feel it would be much more fairer. Swab only detects 24 hours. Blood 72 hours. Urine, up to 30 days. Hair, can go back years. Better yet just legalize it. How many open bottles do you see laying around truck stops????? That's another story. Anyways good luck to you, and have a safe and happy holiday

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DIXIEGIRL54 in Brookhaven, Mississippi

63 months ago

Hi Micky,I'm glad you have a plan to help you get back o trucking but before you shekk out all that money on a sap,you need to talk to someone that has taken it and returned to driving.Most of the people I've talked to that has taken the sap program,still haven't been able to get a job driving.The sap doesn't mean that you can get your job back and in some cases it can hurt you more than help you.Please check in to it before you pay all that money. GOOD LUCK.
DIXIEGIRL

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

DIXIEGIRL54 in Brookhaven, Mississippi said: Hi Micky,I'm glad you have a plan to help you get back o trucking but before you shekk out all that money on a sap,you need to talk to someone that has taken it and returned to driving.Most of the people I've talked to that has taken the sap program,still haven't been able to get a job driving.The sap doesn't mean that you can get your job back and in some cases it can hurt you more than help you.Please check in to it before you pay all that money. GOOD LUCK.
DIXIEGIRL

Good Morning Dixie girl. Spoke with you here a few times. I completed the DOT/SAP back in June. Been turned down way to many times to count. I have found a job and I will be starting after the Holidays. It's a lease, however if I am able to find a truck before then he will take me on as an O/O. You are very right about just because you complete a DOT/SAP DOES NOT mean you will be able to find a job. IT is very difficult!!! Way harder than I ever imagined. You grow either thick skin or you get out of it altogether. To be honest with you there are MANY TIMES!!!!! I wanted to just say "Forget About IT" and move on. But I have been trucking for many many years, and it's what I do. I will just get through the next few years running with this guy and hope everything works out. Just trying to keep the exp. going. Once you get past the three year point you will have better oppertunities. Better yet at the Five Year mark. Then again A LOT of companies will never take you. I was just trying to let Smooth Shifter know what lies ahead for him.
Hope your health is getting better, and you and your family have a WONDERFUL SAFE HOLIDAY

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smoothshifter in Daytona Beach, Florida

63 months ago

I can appreciate what you are saying, DixieGirl, but what happens is that per FMCSA regs, you are not allowed to return to driving duty .... EVER..... until you complete the SAP program. Even if it is on your DAC report and falls off after 3 years, you are still required to complete the SAP DOT Return to Duty process. If you don't, you are breaking the law and can be prosecuted for falsifying past employment history.

Now, there are loopholes and drivers exploit them. They wait, clean out, and don't self report their failed drug test and roll the dice.

I would not want to take that route, be clean as a whistle and have a drunk driver kill himself on my front bumper. Then his family's lawyer does a little digging and finds that failed random, and I would be sitting in prison for manslaughter, even though the accident was no fault of mine. Why?

Because I wasn't qualified to drive a CMV and was driving one anyway.

I know it's a tough road to do the right thing. I am completely drug free and could pass a urine and a hair follicle test easily, and would pay for all the subsequent testing out of pocket - but it's hard to do when I'm collecting a pittance on unemployment.

And that sucks. I've always been a hard and productive worker. I hate where I sit these days. It's why I decided to start writing about it.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

SmoothShifter in Daytona Beach, Florida said: I can appreciate what you are saying, DixieGirl, but what happens is that per FMCSA regs, you are not allowed to return to driving duty .... EVER..... until you complete the SAP program. Even if it is on your DAC report and falls off after 3 years, you are still required to complete the SAP DOT Return to Duty process. If you don't, you are breaking the law and can be prosecuted for falsifying past employment history.

Now, there are loopholes and drivers exploit them. They wait, clean out, and don't self report their failed drug test and roll the dice.

I would not want to take that route, be clean as a whistle and have a drunk driver kill himself on my front bumper. Then his family's lawyer does a little digging and finds that failed random, and I would be sitting in prison for manslaughter, even though the accident was no fault of mine. Why?

Because I wasn't qualified to drive a CMV and was driving one anyway.

I know it's a tough road to do the right thing. I am completely drug free and could pass a urine and a hair follicle test easily, and would pay for all the subsequent testing out of pocket - but it's hard to do when I'm collecting a pittance on unemployment.

And that sucks. I've always been a hard and productive worker. I hate where I sit these days. It's why I decided to start writing about it.

Very Well said. As Dixie Girl said there are ways to "get around the system" BUT IT's JUST NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!!! In todays high tech world and the resources out there, God Forbid something happened and it wasn't your fault. IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT IF YOU DIDN'T GET A RETURN TO DUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada

63 months ago

mickeyinlasvegas in Las Vegas, Nevada said: Very Well said. As Dixie Girl said there are ways to "get around the system" BUT IT's JUST NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!!! In todays high tech world and the resources out there, God Forbid something happened and it wasn't your fault. IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT IF YOU DIDN'T GET A RETURN TO DUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here is an example of what I mean. AND THIS IS A VERY TRUE STORY.
While I was driving for a company out of Birmingham, AL. We had a driving team who were involved in a deadly accident. A pickup truck ran a stop sign, our truck hit him, the passanger wasn't wearing his seat belt, and got thrown out of the pickup and got crushed by his pickup which was driven by his son. The driver of our truck was not suppose to be at the location according to his log book!!!!!!!!!!! Even though the accident was not our drivers fault and his paper log looked good. They pulled the computer from the truck recorder and found out he was falseified his log book. End result he was arrested and charged with vehicle manslaughter. and a bunch of other fed charges.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF HE HAD BEEN PUT OUT OF SERVICE FOR A FAILED RANDOM AND NEVER COMPLETED A DOT/SAP, AND B.S. HIS WAY BACK IN TRUCKING. LIFE IN PRISON or WHAT WOULD SEEM AS LIFE

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kevrinc77 in Louisville, Colorado

63 months ago

Ok so I was driving for this small company and got pulled into a way station. They did a random search and found a case of beer in the side compartment. The driver who had the truck before me had left it there and I did not check to see if anything was under their before I took off. Lesson learned. So they gave me a ticket for having of alcohol in a commercial vehicle. I have not driven since and have been going to school. I want to try to get a job for the summer driving a truck so I can pay for school. Do you think someone will hire me with this on my record? I also have a reckless driving about 3 and half years ago. Kevrinc77@yahoo.com

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smoothshifter in Port Orange, Florida

63 months ago

kevrinc77 in Louisville, Colorado said: Ok so I was driving for this small company and got pulled into a way station. They did a random search and found a case of beer in the side compartment. The driver who had the truck before me had left it there and I did not check to see if anything was under their before I took off. Lesson learned. So they gave me a ticket for having of alcohol in a commercial vehicle. I have not driven since and have been going to school. I want to try to get a job for the summer driving a truck so I can pay for school. Do you think someone will hire me with this on my record? I also have a reckless driving about 3 and half years ago. Kevrinc77@yahoo.com

No offense, but I think that the reckless driving conviction is going to make the story about the "unknown" case of beer seem pretty shady in a potential employers view.

I would have to guess that both offenses are on your driving record, and that's not a good combination side by side.

I saw your post on tTR. I go by the same name there as well.

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tim in nh in Manchester, New Hampshire

62 months ago

Big M Trucking in Sacramento, California said: Not likely, but its possible with a smaller outfit.

That is your criminal record you can go get your record cleaned by going to the court that found you guilty.50 bucks to local court and 100 to hillsboro county and that will be off your record for ever. I had a felony and got it taken off now i have a twic card a hazmat and a consealed wepons permit

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need a job in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

62 months ago

well they never told me I was going in for a random seen the drug test guy and quit my job on the spot does that count as a refusal? My company sent me a list of SAPs don't know where it is at. I smoked the herb in my free time stayed unemployed with no unemployment benefits for the last 6 months so I can buy grass that has gotten me to quit. Was wondering if I could still get a class B job legally

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kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas

62 months ago

Ia totally agree with what has been said here. One of the best responses that I ahve read thus far.. I failed a randon. I could have cheated. But I didn't, and truthfully now I regret it. Indulged once during a class reunion. Now treated as if I killed the mayor or somebody. Did the SAP thing and it changes nothing. There is a big target on us now. Good Luck to all.

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slomoe in North Little Rock, Arkansas

62 months ago

i got my to rebuttle my screen without using dac,they re a joke!and were warned that i would obtain a attorney.they stop reporting to other employers.

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mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California

62 months ago

patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa said: You ppl that fail randoms,what you think just because you smoke on your own time you won't have to take a random.My advice to you is if your CDL means anything to you then lay off the drugs COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You all have to keep a drug kit in your trk incase you have to take a random for a DOT.What do you spose would happen if you failed that test?

YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED AND CARED ABOUT. YOU TRY AND DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. GO TO SAP/DOT PROGRAM. GET A RETURN TO DUTY. NOBODY WILL HIRE YOU BECAUSE "YOU ARE A RISK" YOU TRY AND DO IT RIGHT BUT THE SCUM ARE OUT THERE TO USE!!!! YOU !!!. WE HAVE A LEASE PROGRAM. (THATS A WASTE) YOU END UP NOT ONLY MESSING UP YOUR DAC WORSE. YOU GO BROKE AND LOSE EVERYTHING YOU TRIED TO SAVE. IT'S NOT JUST WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!
i HAVE AN IDEA. HOW MANY DRIVERS HAVE SEEN EMPTY WHISKEY, BEER BOTTLES LAYING IN THE BACK OF TRUCKSTOPS????? LET'S WAKE UP WITH A HANGOVER. START THAT BIG TRUCK UP AND GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY WITH A BIG HANGOVER. MASSIVE HEADACHE. DEHYDRAYED DRIVING THAT BIG TRUCK DOWN THE HIGHWAY. HELL YAH. IT'S ALL LEGAL BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE TRACED IN A WEEK OR TWO. WHAT A SYSTEM.
MAKE THE SYSTEM FAIR. DO A SWAB IN THE MOUTH. IT SHOWS ANYTHING TAKEN IN THE LAST 24HOURS. OH HOW ABOUT A BLOOD TEST?? 72 HOURS. HELL NO. I WANT YOUR PISS. 30 DAYS. NO EFFECT WHAT SO EVER ON YOUR DRIVING AT ALL. OH BETTER YET I WANT A HAIR SAMPLE. YEAH THAT'S BETTER. SIX MONTHS? A YEAR?
SOMETHING NOTS RIGHT HERE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME. OH NEVER MIND OVER 60% OF AMERICANS SMOKE MARIJUANA. 16 STATES HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA. WAKE T.F.U. AMERICA

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mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California

62 months ago

Just a Rant the above post. I know it's not legal Fedreally!!! And yes the DOT is Fed. Just wish people would look at both sides of it. As a driver you can have a script for speed. Yes you read it right. You can have a script for speed. That's OK by the DOT. And you can Drive with it. 16 States have medical Marijuana. BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE IT IN YOUR SYSTEM. EVER!!!!!. wHETHER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT DOES HAVE VALUE FOR MEDICAL USE. THIS IS WHY I SAY A MOUTH SWAB IS THE FAIREST TEST TO TAKE. THEY CAN TEST YOUR NANOGRAM COUNT AND KNOW IF YOU ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE WHILE DRIVING.
YES I MADE A MISTAKE!!!! YES I AM BITTER!!! AND I JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE DOT/SAP B.S. BUT I AM A DRIVER!! A DAMN GOOD ONE TOO!!! AND GET SO ANGRY ABOUT HOW THIS ALL PLAYED OUT. THE LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED.
FOR THE RECORD!!!!!! I AM CLEAN JUST A TAKE ON A SYSTEM THAT IS BROKEN. I ACCIDENTLY ATE SOME PASTRIES AT MY WIFE'S MOTHERS BIRTHDAY PARTY AND FAILED A RANDOM. DON'T CARE WHAT THOSE WHO SAY YEAH SURE YOU DID. JUST AFTER GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS B.S. I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE PROBLEM. BEFORE ALL THIS HAPPENED I TOO WOULD HAVE SAID WE DON'T NEED YOU OUT THERE ON THE ROAD. JUST A THOUGHT

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patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa

62 months ago

mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California said: YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED AND CARED ABOUT. YOU TRY AND DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. GO TO SAP/DOT PROGRAM. GET A RETURN TO DUTY. NOBODY WILL HIRE YOU BECAUSE "YOU ARE A RISK" YOU TRY AND DO IT RIGHT BUT THE SCUM ARE OUT THERE TO USE!!!! YOU !!!. WE HAVE A LEASE PROGRAM. (THATS A WASTE) YOU END UP NOT ONLY MESSING UP YOUR DAC WORSE. YOU GO BROKE AND LOSE EVERYTHING YOU TRIED TO SAVE. IT'S NOT JUST WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!
i HAVE AN IDEA. HOW MANY DRIVERS HAVE SEEN EMPTY WHISKEY, BEER BOTTLES LAYING IN THE BACK OF TRUCKSTOPS????? LET'S WAKE UP WITH A HANGOVER. START THAT BIG TRUCK UP AND GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY WITH A BIG HANGOVER. MASSIVE HEADACHE. DEHYDRAYED DRIVING THAT BIG TRUCK DOWN THE HIGHWAY. HELL YAH. IT'S ALL LEGAL BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE TRACED IN A WEEK OR TWO. WHAT A SYSTEM.
MAKE THE SYSTEM FAIR. DO A SWAB IN THE MOUTH. IT SHOWS ANYTHING TAKEN IN THE LAST 24HOURS. OH HOW ABOUT A BLOOD TEST?? 72 HOURS. HELL NO. I WANT YOUR PISS. 30 DAYS. NO EFFECT WHAT SO EVER ON YOUR DRIVING AT ALL. OH BETTER YET I WANT A HAIR SAMPLE. YEAH THAT'S BETTER. SIX MONTHS? A YEAR?
SOMETHING NOTS RIGHT HERE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME. OH NEVER MIND OVER 60% OF AMERICANS SMOKE MARIJUANA. 16 STATES HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA. WAKE T.F.U. AMERICA
Back in the day I did drugs,quit long before I started drivig trk.I'm very much against drugs but I won't condemn the ppl that did drugs and now stopped for good.The trucking industry is very unforgiving.People make mistakes,they deserve second chances.But unfortunately trucking companies don't see it that way.They see on your DAC you failed a test or refused a test that happened well over a yr ago,you try and explain it to the recruiter but they don't wanna hear it.No matter what is on your dac and mvr even if 5 yrs old,depending what it is,they won't give drivers a chance.

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patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa

62 months ago

Any of you potential drivers that truely want to drive trk then you better take this industry SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! So many quit drugs a couple months before starting a company in hopes they pass the drug test then take it and fail.That goes on your DAC and is as bad as having a reckless charge on your MVR.I've been driving since 2003 so I know what the industry is like.With all the new laws/CSA ect,it just is'nt worth it.Judging from many of the posts here,alot of you ppl are great drivers if given the chance.You just made some bad choices is all.But i'm not the one you need to convince that to a recruiter.Then alot of you say i've only had a couple accidents or a couple tickets during a 3 yr time frame,well that is alot believe me.Those of you about to start school with marks on your MVR,I would suggest finding a company first to make sure you have a company to go to once you do graduate.Don't depend on school for help.Those of you that quit smoking weed say a month or 2 ago,forget about going to a company because you'll fail and you'll have to find your own way home,trucking companies will not pay for your bus ticket.I'm just trying to help the ones out that have no clue about this industry.

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patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa

62 months ago

mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California said: YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED AND CARED ABOUT. YOU TRY AND DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. GO TO SAP/DOT PROGRAM. GET A RETURN TO DUTY. NOBODY WILL HIRE YOU BECAUSE "YOU ARE A RISK" YOU TRY AND DO IT RIGHT BUT THE SCUM ARE OUT THERE TO USE!!!! YOU !!!. WE HAVE A LEASE PROGRAM. (THATS A WASTE) YOU END UP NOT ONLY MESSING UP YOUR DAC WORSE. YOU GO BROKE AND LOSE EVERYTHING YOU TRIED TO SAVE. IT'S NOT JUST WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!
i HAVE AN IDEA. HOW MANY DRIVERS HAVE SEEN EMPTY WHISKEY, BEER BOTTLES LAYING IN THE BACK OF TRUCKSTOPS????? LET'S WAKE UP WITH A HANGOVER. START THAT BIG TRUCK UP AND GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY WITH A BIG HANGOVER. MASSIVE HEADACHE. DEHYDRAYED DRIVING THAT BIG TRUCK DOWN THE HIGHWAY. HELL YAH. IT'S ALL LEGAL BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE TRACED IN A WEEK OR TWO. WHAT A SYSTEM.
MAKE THE SYSTEM FAIR. DO A SWAB IN THE MOUTH. IT SHOWS ANYTHING TAKEN IN THE LAST 24HOURS. OH HOW ABOUT A BLOOD TEST?? 72 HOURS. HELL NO. I WANT YOUR PISS. 30 DAYS. NO EFFECT WHAT SO EVER ON YOUR DRIVING AT ALL. OH BETTER YET I WANT A HAIR SAMPLE. YEAH THAT'S BETTER. SIX MONTHS? A YEAR?
SOMETHING NOTS RIGHT HERE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME. OH NEVER MIND OVER 60% OF AMERICANS SMOKE MARIJUANA. 16 STATES HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA. WAKE T.F.U. AMERICA
I just don't get why so many think it's ok to do drugs and drink while on the road.They pass a company drug test so what,then they think they'll be good to go for at least a yr.You never know,you be be subject to another test once you get back to the terminal.Then if you have a preventable accident that requires fixing of the trk and/or trl,you're going to have to report that to your company immediately unless you want to use your own money to pay for it.But your company still may find out and the first thing you'll have to do is go to safety then they'll make you take a drug tests and get you a room till the next day while waiting for the results.

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kelso tweet in Erie, Pennsylvania

60 months ago

dacfix in Dallas, Texas said: Addiction is not considered a disability and it is not basis for a lawsuit under federal guidelines. The company has the right to hire someone who has completed an SAP course but an SAP class is not a promise you will get hired.

Office of Vocational Rehabilitation
They rehabilitate people with disabilities and even paid for my buddy's trucking school at Transport Tech. Which, happened to be for drug and alcohol. They in fact, wouldn't of paid for his schooling if it wasn't considered. I'm going through OVR myself for refusing my second DUI test and one count of simple possession of marijuana, for respiratory therapy call them and ask them, if you don't believe me or that other guy.

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kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas

60 months ago

The website above which is DAC Transportation Employment history. Create an account and request your history. Simple as thast. Good luck.

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kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas

60 months ago

The website above which is DAC Transportation Employment history. Create an account and request your history. Simple as thast. Good luck.

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kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas

60 months ago

The website above which is DAC Transportation Employment history. Create an account and request your history. Simple as thast. Good luck.

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Anon in Perrysburg, Ohio

59 months ago

Hi:

My problem is exactly the same as yours. Have you found a trucking job? I sure hope so!

Thx.

Anon

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anthony quintana in Las Vegas, Nevada

59 months ago

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

This just happend to me they say after a period of time like a dui.you can get a job or the company stops reporting you what i dont understand is swift i work there too i faild a drug test and if i go to rehab what is the difference if i tell them i have a drug,alcohol,pills problem or if they catch me either way you have a problem. they wont hire you back even if you complete rehab if they catch you frist another reason why swift sucks.

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anthony quintana in Las Vegas, Nevada

59 months ago

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

This just happend to me they say after a period of time like a dui.you can get a job or the company stops reporting you what i dont understand is swift i work there too i faild a drug test and if i go to rehab what is the difference if i tell them i have a drug,alcohol,pills problem or if they catch me either way you have a problem. they wont hire you back even if you complete rehab if they catch you frist another reason why swift sucks.

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anthony quintana in Las Vegas, Nevada

59 months ago

shadowchaser in Franklin, Kentucky said: I was working for a very small company out west and came home after 7 weeks out for holidays, I smoked the day I got home. The next day they told me I would have to take a random, I actually passed the random, then I decided as long as I was home I would apply for a job that was closer to home the day after I applied they called me to take drug screen but I had left town for the holidays, so I took the test 1 week after I had passed the random, and didn't hear anything back. So I left back out for the company out west and turned my truck in and as I was driving the 1000 miles back home expecting to go to work for the company I had done the preemployment test with I was called by lab and told I failed the pre employment screening. Does that mean now since I was not working for that company and had already quit the other that it will prevent me from applying to another small company for cdl job? Any input on this would be greatly appreciated

This all depends agian on the companies you are aplying for and if they use dac. reports or there companies rules SOME WELL SOME WONT. good day CDL man.

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patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa

59 months ago

shadowchaser in Franklin, Kentucky said: I was working for a very small company out west and came home after 7 weeks out for holidays, I smoked the day I got home. The next day they told me I would have to take a random, I actually passed the random, then I decided as long as I was home I would apply for a job that was closer to home the day after I applied they called me to take drug screen but I had left town for the holidays, so I took the test 1 week after I had passed the random, and didn't hear anything back. So I left back out for the company out west and turned my truck in and as I was driving the 1000 miles back home expecting to go to work for the company I had done the preemployment test with I was called by lab and told I failed the pre employment screening. Does that mean now since I was not working for that company and had already quit the other that it will prevent me from applying to another small company for cdl job? Any input on this would be greatly appreciated
3 months old but i see somebody replied so I will too.You better hope that company u failed the drug test does not use dac.Many companies will not hire ever a driver that failed a drug test and can't say that I blame them.

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pete 379 in Wheaton, Illinois

59 months ago

dos eny one know what the diffrece between a supivise conviction and a conviction means? i pulled my MVR for IL and sence i had my CDL at the time of my DUI it gos on there as a supervised convition i have been told by my lawer that if i did not have a CDL at the time it would not be on there. so im left scraching my head. and im told that on job apps that if asked if i have plead guilty to a misdumener i have to answer yes but that if it ask if i was convicted i say no i can get my CDL back in 19 days do i even bother?????? ive read every thing u guys have put up and i think im just guna look at a forklift and the inside of trailers for the next 3 to 5 years eny help under standing this would be a great help. keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down

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Fist

59 months ago

JohnS in Denver, Colorado said: It is not the first time a company has lied...if you are telling the truth, then it sounds like your company reported you for failing a random drug test, and reported it to dac and DOT. When it comes to dac, compaines are not really held accountable, they seem to have run of the mill, and I have seen no lawsuits of making false statements...I doubt you will find an attorney to help you either..
how will you prove that you say is true? This is how trucking compaines get away with this, it is simply their word against yours...since there is no real
proof, paperwork, then you are screwed like so many other fallen (former)
truck drivers...our govt does not seem to care about the abuse...
it does not matter to them that you are now not hireable (forever!)

You can get rehired it needs to clear off dac. Though threes yrs or longer maybe 7yrs you must take the SAP program though some companies say they have a 10yr check it may still show . What sucks is the companies dont except the SAP program that's for DOT and you. Like I could pull in to walmart and send a drug results once a week for 10 month or so What up with that is that clean enough ? Com on CB holder.

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roadrunnerca in Stockton, California

59 months ago

I was on seasonal layoff, subject to recall, I accepted an offered toke of MJ.
The next day (a friday) my dispatcher calls me and gives me advanced notice of a
ramdom drug the next Monday (a 'heads up' on a random is illegal).
I quit by mail, (I did not report in - no contact at all!)
I was NOT given official notice to report to test site and there was no refusal.

1 I don't know my status!
2 WOULD A GOVERNMENT AGENCY GIVE ME NOTICE OF A VIOLATION?
3 It be on DMV print out?

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