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greg in Chicago, Illinois

74 months ago

i have a class a do i have to keep a log working pt driving a box truck in indiana

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mike in La Follette, Tennessee

71 months ago

sweetser_michael@yahoo.com in Spokane, Washington said: there is no set limit to the hours you can work, except that you are still limited to the 70 hr rule.you do not need to fill out a log book, but if you cross any state lines in your 100 mile radius from your starting terminal point you must fill out a log book. all your stops can be consolidated, as long as you show the total hrs driving and the total hrs loading/unloading.

Can you referance where you got the info on crossing state lines you must fill out a log book.

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wife of a driver in Chicago, Illinois

71 months ago

Company has electronic logging.. for months now notice was given to all drivers that they could access internet to get printed rocords or perhaps record to a memorystick to keep their permanant logbook records, but there has been a flaw in the system not allowing drivers access to their records. Numerous complaints, no help given in retrevail for saving for permanant record copy. Now due to a change, no longer driving for said company, and still no logs. How do we get our logs for our records and yes, we asked for them and if they do not give them to us soon, the system holding them supposedly will permanantly delete its data for a year to 6 months and we will not be able to have a copy for the full year or otherwise.

what do we do?

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wife of a driver in Chicago, Illinois

71 months ago

Oh yes and in reference to the question just above... another thing, just how long are we supposed to keep the logbooks for? If the logbooks have to do with taxes and for the IRs, should not the company be required to have provided that elecronic information to us back in January like our w-2s are supposed to be provided? If that is the case, then the company is holding us up in doing our taxes for this year and thats a problem.

If we cannot get access becasue the access is being denied due to a fault in their internet system, isnt that illegal for the company to do?

NOW WHAT?

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Karen in Alden, New York

71 months ago

You do not have to keep a log book if you work in a 100 mile air radius of your base. If you work in a 100 mile air radius you do not have to keep a log book if you cross state lines.!!!!!!!! You do however have to record the road name, or route # you are on when entering a differernt state and the trucks mileage at each point of entry. And mark the total numbers of miles travled in that state. That information is for IFTA recording! Say my driver is based in NEw York and drives in to Pennsylvania, he marks down he is entering on Rt.15, he records his mileage as 123,456. then 2 hours later he re-enters NY recording that he left PA on Rt. 220 and the mileage. That information may be kept on DTR's or in a notebook, or a log book if preferred as long as the information gets to the owner. But remember if you use a log book and its not necessary it can be used for or against you in an audit. Log books must be kept for 3 years, pre and post trip books 6 months. Never use the same book for both!!!!!!!!!!

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attitudeforlife in Tempe, Arizona

71 months ago

DOT only requires that you have today plus the past 7 days with you, so that should be all they require. And if you didn't drive during those past 7 days, you can do a single log page, dated on the first day...then there should be a place on the log that asks the number of days that page covers, including the day it's dated. Sounds more confusing than it is...

Say you haven't worked at all in March so far. Today's the 11th and they call you into work. You fill out one log page dated March 4. You draw a straight line from midnite to midnite on line 1 (off duty, not driving). You then have 24 hours on that line...0 hours on lines 2, 3, and 4 (sleeper, driving, and on-duty, not driving). Then in the area where you normally put your stops, you simply write in there..."Off duty - City, State" and under it "3/4/11 to 3/10/11". Somewhere on your logsheet there should be a space that says something about multiple days on it...you put "07"...This becomes your past 7 days log.

then you start a new log page dated 3/11/11 and do your usual thing.

IF the company's is extremely anal about having you do a log page for every single day you weren't working, simply do the same thing, only start the page with your first day of not working, and put 21 or however many days total. (Or you can split it into 2 back pages....one for last 7 days to keep with you in your truck for DOT, and one for the days prior to that 7 to give to the company for the the first 2 weeks.

Hope that wasn't all TOO confusing!! :)

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wife of a driver in Plainfield, Indiana

71 months ago

Lost job.. so if no work for months since unemployed.. do I have to keep daily log book? Who knows when I will work or even drive again.

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Trucker44

69 months ago

How many years do have to keep your log book records?

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karen in Victor, New York

69 months ago

you must keep log book records for 3 years. And I will stress this again
DO NOT DO YOUR PRE-TRIP ON THE BACK OF YOUR LOG SHEET. Always have a seperate book for your pre trips. pre trips only need to be kept for 6 months!! So if they are on the back of your log sheet and they do an audit they can go back 3 years on you pre trips. don't give them any ammo

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karen in Victor, New York

69 months ago

a pretending driver in Campbell, California said: how many hours should i drive if i am driving local only no more than 100 miles and should i fill up a log book?

You can only drive 12 hours if you drive over that you are required to keep a log boog for that day

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nedo60 in Durant, Oklahoma

69 months ago

Our drivers own their own trucks (1Ton) and lease to us. They deliver travel trailers all over the US, and the drivers live all over the US. When they drop the trailer, they are no longer under our control or dispatch until we assign them another load. Can they log "off duty"?

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Laura

68 months ago

Our driver normally drives about 5 hours a day out of his 8 hour shift with most of the driving in a 50 mile radius, But once a month he will drive to one customer who is 240 miles away. so round trip is 480 miles. It is a 8 hour round trip. How is he supposed to keep his log book? Does he keep one everyday or just on the days he drives the long trip?
Thanks,

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

67 months ago

How many trucks can you put on a log book

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

67 months ago

Trucker44 said: How many years do have to keep your log book records?

3 years

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Trucker44 in Stanwood, Washington

67 months ago

As many as you drive that day.

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Rich in Fl in Zephyrhills, Florida

67 months ago

manic ride in Brockton, Massachusetts said: I drive a Non-CDL box truck for a company that insist I fill out logs, I cross state lines but is it illegal for me not to fill out logs? I've never been ask for my logbook from any state trooper

If you cross state lines, you need a logbook.

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Rich in Fl in Zephyrhills, Florida

67 months ago

I should have said, that doesn't mean anything if the State Troopers don't ask for a logbook. You cross state lines and regardless of the miles you travel you are considered an "interstate commerce" carrier. You should log it. Your company supplies the books, and it only takes a few minutes to fill them out.

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Betsy in Quincy, Illinois

66 months ago

I have a local driver but he crosses the state line. Can he use a local log book or does he still need to use the regular log book?

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

66 months ago

regular log book.

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

66 months ago

mrivera3200gt@aol.com in Rock Hill, South Carolina said: 3 years

but you only half to show seven days

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karen in Akron, New York

66 months ago

FMCSA has a rule book Penske will GIVE you one, Every year Penske gives safety and informational meetings you and your drivers should go they are very important I get a new FMCSA rule book every year. take amp of where your deliveries are draw a circle around the area using your place as the center of the circle, if the farthest place is 150 miles as the crow flies you are fine and do not need log books. remember the mileage is "AS THE CROW FLIES" not actual miles driven. because you are non cdl you do not have to record when crossing state lines as there are not apportioned plates on the trucks!!!!!!!!!!

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karen in Akron, New York

66 months ago

FMCSA SAFETY REGULATION BOOK, PART 395.1 section e short haul operations (2) Operators of property carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring CDL drivers licenses. are exempt from section 395.3 and 395.8, get the book and read

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rogran in Littleton, Colorado

66 months ago

karen in Akron, New York said: FMCSA SAFETY REGULATION BOOK, PART 395.1 section e short haul operations (2) Operators of property carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring CDL drivers licenses. are exempt from section 395.3 and 395.8, get the book and read

Thanks Karen, you have been very helpful. My penske rep is on vacation last and this week which is why I posted for help. As soon as he is back I will see about getting a copy of the FMCSA.

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karen in Akron, New York

66 months ago

you are very welcome

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norbert in Rawtenstall, United Kingdom

66 months ago

mam pytanko jeżdże na logbooku w angli i nie wiem jak z niego korzystać tzn. chodzi mi o czas pracy i czas jazdy pomoże mi ktoś? pozdrawiam

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asphaltcowboy67 in Kannapolis, North Carolina

65 months ago

I have a question for ya, the company I drive for uses people net in there trucks, but want me to use a paper log too, is that not the same thing as running two logs???

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Jack Lloyd in Buffalo, New York

65 months ago

If I am doing local work only and I go from Niagara Falls N.Y. to
Niagara Falls Ont. and return do I need to log it

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jose rod, san antonio

65 months ago

I have a question I work for a university driving charter buses in san antonio, are boss requires that we log on duty not driving even when we spend days not driving just working at the ware house so when we go out on the road we are already running short on hours is this required by Tx DOT are just my employer, also he always wants us to match are pay sheet with are log book.Seems like that is done just to pay us less cause on the road we have to log off alot to save hours, so does Tx DOT COMPARE YOUR PAY SHEET TO YOUR LOG BOOK???

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chazpatty

65 months ago

Our company is based out of indiana but our home base is Arkansas which time zone r we required to log in on???

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Amanda in Syracuse, New York

64 months ago

JLC in Warner, New Hampshire said: My company put me in violation for not turning in 2 days loggs for days that I was off for home time,even marking down that I had 2 consecutive days off on next log filled out.
How am I suppoused to fill out tose days off?

You have to fill out a seperate off duty log and mark two days off on that one.

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

64 months ago

you half to fill out a log for two days and wright off duty on the bottom and a line on 24 hrs off duty

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craig in New York, New York

64 months ago

Karen in Alden, New York said: remember, that 100 miles is as "The Crow Flys" your base is the center of that circle. You also have to keep a log if you work more than 12 hours in one day, even if you stay "WITHIN" your 100 mile radius!!!

The term "air-mile" is internationally defined as a "nautical mile" which is equivalent to 6,076 feet. Thus, the 100 air-miles are equivalent to 115.08 statute miles, and 150 air-miles are equivalent to 172.6 statute miles.

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Cary Davis in Fort Smith, Arkansas

64 months ago

Public Information Officer in Washington, District of Columbia said: Yes, you must be giving an opportunity to bring you log book current. However, the purpose of the regulation is to allow the Law Enforcement Officer to determine whether or not you are in compliance with the 11/14/70 hour requirements. If you are in compliance, he cannot put you out of service, and "officer discretion" will determine if you are issued a citation or not . If you are beyond the 11/14/70 hour rule after bringing your log current, or your last change of duty status was sometime before the previous calender date, you can expect to receive an OOS order.

And (as previously mentioned) I know of no regulation that allows enforcement officials to go back three years. Carriers are only required to maintain the original logs at the driver's home terminal for six months. After that they can be destroyed.

This is completely incorrect information. Like previously stated the FMSCA cites that you will be given the chance to bring the record of duty status up to date, however it is at the discreation each state to make a law that requires the drivers to be current regardless of federal law. Each state can make laws more strengent than that of federal law on most any FMCSA standard.

Cary Davis
Compliance Officer
Albert Moving and Storage
CaryD@albertmoving.com

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bearbaitchp in Santa Rosa, California

64 months ago

Bus drivers only have to take 8 hr off? Y

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bearbaitchp in Santa Rosa, California

64 months ago

Bus drivers only have to take 8 hr off? Y

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bearbaitchp in Santa Rosa, California

64 months ago

Bus drivers only have to take 8 hr off? Y

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lawman326 in Barberton, Ohio

64 months ago

helpquestion in Sparta, Wisconsin said: does anyone know if you work your 70 than go on your 34 off and than during your 34 go to a meeting that you get paid for do you have to log this?

Any work for which a driver is compensated must be counted as on duty. if the work is done within the 34 hour restart period the restart period is invalid. 34 hour restart must be off duty or sleeper (the whole thing can't be sleeper)

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lawman326 in Barberton, Ohio

64 months ago

Laura said: Our driver normally drives about 5 hours a day out of his 8 hour shift with most of the driving in a 50 mile radius, But once a month he will drive to one customer who is 240 miles away. so round trip is 480 miles. It is a 8 hour round trip. How is he supposed to keep his log book? Does he keep one everyday or just on the days he drives the long trip?
Thanks,

If he does not do a short haul log book he has to have proof of the hours worked for previous 7 days of logs when he takes his long trip and has to do a graph log for the monthly trip. He can show his hours worked for the previous 7 days on a daily log book or a copy as long as it has everything on it.

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lawman326 in Barberton, Ohio

64 months ago

Shirley in Carlsbad, California said: I have been tasked to audit the driver's log book for my company. This is the first time I am reviewing driver's log books. As I am reviewing the log books, the driver's do not complete all that is required. What procedures do you use to get driver's to complete the log books once you received them?

I made up a half sheet of paper with violation notice at the top and a place where i circle either "need to see you" "reminder" or "please respond" with the drivers name, my name and a place to explain what needs to be done. I give this (put it in the drivers mailbox) along with the log(s) in question.

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tatum in Surprise, Arizona

63 months ago

going down a two lane highway in the mountains. no were to pull over for over half an hour. came to a stop sign, set parking brakes, jumped out did quick post trip then logged off dutie. this was done on peoplenet log computer. had to drive 4 miles to a wide out to pull off for the night. safety dept. is going to get me for going over 14hr rule. any suggestions on fighting this violation?

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lawman326 in Barberton, Ohio

63 months ago

Adverse weather conditions allow you to extend your 14 hours but you are supposed to plan ahead and have a place to park when your time is up. Chances are unless you tell them there was an accident or the weather caused you to go over your 14 hours you will be considered in violation of the 14 hour rule.

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larry seguin1@gmail.com in Redwater, Alberta

63 months ago

in the usa.. on your hours driven.. do they also add on your on duty hours as driving time..

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Kevin in Northwood, New Hampshire

63 months ago

At the bottom of your log there is a space to capture From: and To:, if my drivers always end up where they begin in the morning should they record that or should they record the location at the furthest point of their trip?

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mrivera3200gt@*****.*** in Rock Hill, South Carolina

63 months ago

the driver writes the same city

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ron in San Bernardino, California

63 months ago

I have a commercial class C with a hazmat and tanker endorsement do i need to fill out a log book daily? even if i drive a regular class c company truck when i am not in the fuel truck

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ron in San Bernardino, California

63 months ago

do i need to fill out a log book with a commercial class C?

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lawman326 in Stow, Ohio

63 months ago

ron in San Bernardino, California said: do i need to fill out a log book with a commercial class C?

If you are driving a commercial motor vehicle you have to do a log book. Exceptions are the 100 mile rule but even our local guys do log books. My boss drives a 1 ton pickup with a 25' trailer and he has to do a log book. He just got a level 1 yesterday and the DOT man checked his log book. If you don't have a log book and you are over the 100 air mile range you risk being put out of service for 10 hours since they have no idea how long you've been driving. When in doubt do a log book.

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Kevin in Northwood, New Hampshire

63 months ago

How much of a Hazard Class 4.1 material can I legally haul before I need to Placard and have a Hazmat endorsement?

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B in Mcdonough, Georgia

63 months ago

gavilancino in Campbell, California said: I have heard so many comments about how to avoid a ticket getting some services of some "lawyer" or at least they avoid one point or whatever. Can someone tell me if this really works and how expensive it is?

Yes it really works ( know that you wrote this some time ago but I thought you should know) I work for an atty that is contracted by some of these companies ie prepaid legal etc. they will contact us and we will represent the drivers often without it being necessary for the driver to appear in court. You are not avoiding the ticket you are avoiding points and having to appear in court it usually requires that you pay the fine amount and the Judge may reduce the charge against you hopefully to something that is not detrimental to your CDL: MVR or Dac.

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bryan.williams@*****.*** in El Paso, Texas

63 months ago

My company is shifting to electronic logs ... that in itself is not a problem but I have upper management telling me that for driver to change his log I must have the drivers supervisor sign off on it. Is there some type of new electronic regulation that states this?

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