National trucker strike on April 1 2008 (not an April Fool's joke)

I am a broker and married to a truck driver. Our shipper informed us that Schneider and JB Hunt contacted them through email and offered to move their freight during the strike. The large powerful companines to not care about high fuel prices and would love for the independants to go under. More freight for them right?

LETS STRIKE MEN AND SHOW THEM IN CONGRESS THAT WE WONT TAKE IT ANYMORE. I WAS RAISED AROUND TRUCKEN.I GOT IN TRUCKEN 8 YEARS AGO AND NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT A JOB CHANGE BUT THE LOW RATES AND HIGH FUEL MAKES IT HARDER AND HARDER EACH DAY SO COME THE 1ST OF APRIL I'LL BE SITTING AT HOME WITH MY FAMILY HOPEING AND PRAYING THAT ME AND MY BROTHER TRUCKERS CAN GET ALL THE WRITE PEOPLE TO WAKE UP AND SEE WHY WE ARE STRIKEING.WE WILL MAKE A DIFFRENCE IF WE UNIGHT AND STAND ARE GOUND AND WE WONT DO IT ANY MORE GODDBLESS EVERONE
AND THERE FAMILYS.

doyle zorn in Des Moines, Iowa said: reagan didnt deregulate reucking get your facts straight it was jimmy carter reagan just happened to be the one in office when it went into effect check it out

doyle,
I didn't mean to piss you off and I was wrong when I said Reagan instead of Carter but we where making $2.50 a mile back than as I recall. You had the low bid and the high bid. We always went with the high bid.

I don't think that one day will do it it will take at least four days to get the point across.

eastern sun truckking in Heath, Ohio said: i think that everyone should shut down there is know reason for the freight rates to be messed up like they are how come i can get 2 a mile or more but they want me to come back off the east coast for .80 no reason for it i am a independent owner opp and all the food and clothes and everything else went up but are rates are the same yah fuel is expensive , rates are cheap brokers stealing fuel surcharges i would like to see this country shut down for a week or more and see how hostile the people of america get when there is nothing to eat think about are future if there is anyone any more when it comes right down to it the united states doesnt even seem like it the way this country is run im shutn down and hope everyone does also[/QUOTE

I'm not a Driver but if a strike happens on the first of April, by joe I'll support it. I heard about the possability a couple of weeks ago and I'm all for it. Someone needs to do something to get their attention, and the pocketbook is the best way.

firesidetransfer@gmail.com in Wayne City, Illinois said: The average truck gets 5 miles to the gallon. If a gallon of diesel is $4.00, it cost eighty cents to drive one mile.
Insurance for one truck at $800 a month. IRP for that one truck at $1400.00. Ky. registration for one truck one trailer $61.00. IRS-1099 for one truck $550.00. UCR for one truck $39.00. Equals $31.92 a day for a 365 day year.
Road taxes are from 13 to 41 cents a gallon added to the $4.00 a gallon you pay at the pump, depending on the state you go through.
You pay property taxes in AR., KS. and KY if you enter those states.
Enter a toll road you add the Road Tax for that state.
Oil change at $250.00. A tire at $400.00. Truck shop labor at $100 an hour.
Did I leave anything out? Lumpers! You have to pay the Receiver to take the freight out of your trailer!
I have no driver and the equipment is paid for so I have a little change in my pocket.
It's the brokers that have killed this industry. They keep cutting each others rates to get the contract. President Reagan did us a disservice when he deregulated.

IF UR PAYING 800.00 PER MONTH FOR INSURANCE YOUR GETTIN SCREWED I PAY 489.00 FOR 2 TRUCKS PER MONTH I CAN SEND YOU THE BILL AND PROVE IT 2 YOU I PAY 1509.00 IRP IN OHIO PER TRUCK MY SHOP RATE IS 58.00 PER HR YEA IF U GO 2 A DEALER U MIGHT PAY 71.00-100.00 PER HR BUT YES WE ARE GETTIN SCREWED OUT HERE AND IF U R GETTIN 5.0 MPG I WOULD GET RID OF THAT TRUCK ASAP I HAVE ONE TRUCK GETTIN 7.26 MPG C-15 CAT 10 SPEED 3.58 REARS SUPER SINGLES ,RUN AT 60-63 MPH MY OTHER IS A N-14 SUPER 10 3.58 REARS 6.89 WITH LP 22.5 1 IS A COLUMBIA AND 1 IS A 9400 INT

I think deregulation made this industry less profitable. If there was a system in place that gave a surcharge of one dollar per loaded mile back to the person that paid at the pump and that cost was to be passed directly to the consumer. And if the national average for diesel when up, that raise in the price for diesel would be added to the dollar a mile surcharge. Brokerage firms could not charge no more than eight percent per truck load. Shippers must furnish there own pallets or charge the receiver for said cost. Receivers must unload there freight from the carriers trailer or charge the shipper to unloading the receivers freight. Shippers and receivers have a maximum of two hours to load or unload or be charged by the carrier because the carrier is regulated to 14 hours on duty 11 hours driving.

Did I leave anything out?

I'm sorry that I didn't know whom deregulated us, lets move forward.

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Jason in Suitland, Maryland said: If this is a one day strike is won't do squat!

You all need to do like the French truckers do. They park their rigs in the middle of the road. They take the tickets and the jail time when they refuse to move their rigs. They snarl traffic for days and when the shelves empty out at the market they get what they want.

If you can't walk the walk then don't talk the talk.

Jason

i agree 100% i drive for a small company here in IL i got home saturday night and im not leaving back out till the fuel prices come back down i support the truck strike my companies about to go under if things dont change im haveing a hard time supporting my family and geting the bills paid the fuel prices dont only hurt the company owners it hurts the drivers too. what i say is SHUT THEM TRUCKS DOWN !!!!!!!

The shutdown has to be longer than 1 day folks. If y'all are thinking that 1 day is all it will take then you are wrong. I promise that 3 days of no grocery deliveries and such will change things drastically. 1 Day of no fuel deliveries would cause so much turmoil you would not believe. I say this as an ex-gas hauler and have seen the effects and the way folks act when their favorite station runs out of fuel. So many gas stations and so hard to catch back up if they all run out, and normally they are almost out when they order their gas. A 3 day shutdown would cause a backlog of loads that even the big companies couldn't possibly cover and then we make our demands when they want their commodities moved. Think about that, I could be wrong.

COme on guys we need to stick together and stop taking this sh*t its our lively hood and we need to stand up for it.

phil in Atlanta, Georgia said: so why do you do it??? QUit

The individual probably has no other job skills in order to quit.
Don't worry about it. Arabs or Americans is doesn't matter if you let GOD handle it.
Many forget who really controls our destiny.
Man may rule our present life here, but, all those jokers you list that thrived on earth won't have that power when it's time for everyones 2 angels to stand with them on judgment day and the angel with the bad list of items convinces God that they need to go to the devils dungeon.

Those who flourish here will suffer in the after life, so, stay poor. You'll see maybe if you make it. So it's said, So it's written, So it'll be done.

I am supporting the shutdown, these folks jacking up the fuel prices lets show these people and get this trucking business back on its feet.

If most of the trucking companies of the United States came together and imposed a fuel surcharge of one dollar per loaded mile and for no load to be less than $1.50 a mile to the truck. Would the shippers and brokers have to honor it?

If yes, would it be simpler to get organized on a fuel surcharge than a shutdown?

If no, is there another regulation we are violating?

I doubt HIGHLY that enough truckers will get involved in such a strike and don't think anyone should be very worried...

From what I've heard and read, the intent seems to be aimed at resolving high fuel costs, therefore, some independent truckers may want to get involved while no company truckers would get involved, thus the result would have little impact.

Even IF the nations truckers would all go on strike, the national guard would simply be brought into service to deliver required items to 'special' locations.

I for one am quite sure it's a fabricated hoax... :-)

The strike has made Nashville TN News! However, they say the big companies will not comment and they are not sure if it is an April Fools Joke or not.
I am the grand-daughter of an o/o, who is now with Jesus..And the neice of an o/o and the daughter of a trainer for PAM. In other words;I come from a long line of truckers. Oh, my husband holds Class A as well- but now works in a diff. industry. I just want to say GO STRIKE!!! And may God bless you all. It will not only help you, it will help our whole country. And I agree with one of the earlier comments- We all need to strike not just o/o's! Car drivers too..

See, I have been in the middle of this Mortgage Crisis. All congress wants to do is blame the broker- who was only selling what was on the investors menu. Much like the broker who robs you blind in o/o world. Brokering Freight or Mortgages it all works basically the same. The bottom line is the good ole USA is in trouble. And, as usual Congress tries to hide it. The only thing that pulled our economy out of the Great Depression in the 20's was Industry. Now, most industry has been shipped over seas. That in return has cost Americans "Thousands" of Jobs. How do you pay a mortgage pymt when you are not working? Then rising fuel cost that lines Wall-Streets pockets. Stock is also a broker trade! That cost gets passed to the consumers-every item we purchase has gone up. Now with the fuel cost, it is not just o/o hurting. Trust Me. It is Middle and low class as a whole. Larger companies are now charging a 30% sur-charge for fuel cost on freight; and every thing will go up again. WE ALL NEED TO STRIKE - and I also agree that it needs to be more than 1 day. 7 days sounds good to me!

Steve Wolfe in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania said: I doubt HIGHLY that enough truckers will get involved in such a strike and don't think anyone should be very worried...

From what I've heard and read, the intent seems to be aimed at resolving high fuel costs, therefore, some independent truckers may want to get involved while no company truckers would get involved, thus the result would have little impact.

Even IF the nations truckers would all go on strike, the national guard would simply be brought into service to deliver required items to 'special' locations.

I for one am quite sure it's a fabricated hoax... :-)

In case you did not know it most National Guard trucks are not highway trucks and at best have a hard time doing 55MPH. If you have ever been on the highway you will notice many a Hummer, and other military gear being hauled by owner operators not the government. The National Guard can not make up for a major shut down, at best perhaps escort some loads but even then with troop deployment that would be questionable.
I am a company driver not driving on the 1st, and there are some small companies that are shutting down as having 30 trucks is closer to a owner operator than say having 45,000 trucks.
Even if say 15% go along with shutting down the shippers and distribution centers would be impacted resulting in halted shipments, contracted deliveries penalized, possible shut downs in equipment deliveries. costing millions of dollars.

[QUOTE]who="Steve Wolfe in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania"]I doubt HIGHLY that enough truckers will get involved in such a strike and don't think anyone should be very worried...

From what I've heard and read, the intent seems to be aimed at resolving high fuel costs, therefore, some independent truckers may want to get involved while no company truckers would get involved, thus the result would have little impact.

Even IF the nations truckers would all go on strike, the national guard would simply be brought into service to deliver required items to 'special' locations.

I for one am quite sure it's a fabricated hoax... :-)

You, sir, haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about. This discussion isn't some fearful prediction of doom; it's an assertion of the elemental right of businessmen to profit. It apparently never occurred to you that the very thread you're posting on contains four pages of die-hard truckers swearing to ground their rigs, or that this one website represents only a tiny fraction of all such individuals in the U.S. prepared to temporarily forgo their own profits in an effort to bring about change that will benefit us all.

The very fact that these brave souls, these few out of likely many thousands of such drivers, are planning on going through with your "hoax" proves your asinine little theory wrong.

So wipe that arrogant little emote smile off your face and return to your white collar, 4-wheelin', ignorant life, and leave America's immovable movers to go about the business of keeping the nation afloat.

April 1st thru April 3rd NATIONAL TRUCKER STRIKE !!! It will take 3 days to achieve our goals and get our point across. In just 3 days, every grocery store and convenience store will be out of food. Every truck stop and gas station will be out of fuel. Every factory or production facility will be out of one or more raw materials to make their product(s). Every coal-burning facility, like power plants, will be out of coal.
If the fuel tankers strike.....we shut the company trucks down, we shut the cars down, we shut the country down!!!
If politicians and oil execs. can't buy food for their families or gas for their vehicles, do you think we'll get our point across??

$1.00 per mile freight(which includes fuel surcharge), 1500 mile load, 5 MPG fuel economy(average) equals 300 gal. to run load @ $4.per gal. So, i made $300 to pay for the rest of the truck expenses, plus pay driver, plus try to make a profit (since this is a business)?
From what i understand, freight rates haven't gone up in over 20 years! Fuel surc harges didn't exist 10 years ago because fuel was cheaper then. Just think, fuel was $2.30 a gal. one year ago...an we were complaining then!

its not going to take every truck to shut down if you think about it 150,000 trucks would leave 150,000 loads sitting dockside for tree days thats a lot of freight not going to stores, and average 37,500,000 galons of fuel not used each day, think about the efect just the fuel drop will have on the fuel industries, theres no way every truck will shut down ever, when you have big companys, ( swift, jb werner, ex) telling there drivers who just graduated there piss poor excuse of schools that if the strike the company will can them and charge them back 3 times for there schooling, 150,000 trucks for 3 days will make an impact, enough to make are point to the fuel industries and these brokers for these 150,000 loads, there are not enought trucks on the road now to move all the freight, like i said in my pre post, all my trucks are parked from sunday night till wendsday night, and i thank every one else who parks and participates,

I recommend no one goes on strike!! I live and drive in NJ and a majority of us haven't heard about the Strike on April 1st. Because of that we have decided not to go through with it because of the obvious lack of support. SO PLEASE WE NEED TO GIVE IT SOME TIME TO REALLY ORGANIZE INSTEAD OF WAISTING A DAY OF PAY!!! Spread the word to your coworkers, do not let it happen YET!

jackie in Pelham, Georgia said: If you want to shut your truck down fine well and good, but leave the ones who want to keep truckin alone. My huband is a driver. Do you people realize that if you shut down it is not going to do anything but make other things more expensive like food, clothes, etc... but do yall really care i guess not. If you would stop driving your personal vehicles it would have more of an impact because every family has some type of vehilce. So quit complaining about stuff that you cant cange. Get over it or get another job.

my are you confused, ? or desperate

vern in Youngstown, Ohio said: my are you confused, ? or desperate

The desire to keep trucking is fine! Even the ones shutting down would rather be driving. It appears to me some comments in here are those that we have it made we have no money problems so don't screw it up.
In case you don't know it the inflation of energy cost are eating the consumer alive myself as a company driver included. If you can not see the reduction of goods or services that you used to buy has declined I guess your rich!
I used to be a USCG charter boat captain at around $4/gal guess what the clients pay the fuel bill, average Joe can't do it no more and the rich have their own boats! I drive truck same thing going on, screw the have nots in America. I will not be driving on the 1st!

WE NEED TO DO IT, I AM A OWNER OPERATOR AND WHEN I DEDUCT MY FUEL EXPENSE EVERYDAY, MAKING ABOUT $100.00, NOT COUNTING TIRE USAGE, BRAKES AND ALSO PUTTING MY LIFE ON A LINE.JASON IS RIGHT WE NEED TO STRIKE MORE THAN ONE DAY.

Dottie in Saint Albans, West Virginia said: We in West Virginia pay 51.26 cent in tax on every gallon of gas of diesel. The oil companies and gas companies are getting richer along with Bush every day. It is up to the ones that keep the economy going to get the price of fuel to come down by not moving. I have dump trucks it cost 488.00 day per truck to fuel up. Nobody is going to give me the money it takes for me to make a profit. Come Tuesday SHUT-ER-DOWN These people say they cant make it if they stay out of work for very long, they must be making more money than I am. We have to shut down there is no other way. Please be with us

Is everybody going to stick together or is this another 70's type strike I hope this works for all of us.

Striking is the only way to save the hard working men and women in the trucking Industy.Lets do it!!!!!

I think that this About the Truck Strike should be on FOX NEWS. and why the NEWS staion is not getting this OUT ABOUT a TRUCK Strike to people. so the people will be warn they need to know

poor o/o in Lillington, North Carolina said: for starters, American oil companies have jacked the prices, not the Arabs. A truck strike will not work, didn't in the 70's, won't now
If you want more money, STOP TAKING CHEAP FREIGHT!! When a company has to choose between paying one dollar to five, they will pay one. If we UNITE to say NO to take cheap freight, the rates will increase. If we are going to unite, how about lets unite to make money, not to piss it away.

I am a broker, It doesnt matter if they refused cheap freight companies will not come up I promise. I agree with the strike. My husband is a trucker and we are going broke as well. I hope it goes as planned!!!

If you think products in stores are high you are wrong. They are actually artificially low because truck drivers and trucking companies have been absorbing the ever-increasing operating expenses as well as the inflation rate.
If regular folks have it bad, truckers have it twice as bad. truckers have all of the same household expenses that everyone else has, plus the expenses of the truck. Not to mention, we sacrifice close to that of american military personnel. We're out on the roads in all kinds of weather, we're sometimes in dangerous situations, and we're away from our families for extended periods of time. yes, we sometimes even have people throwing stuff off bridges @ us and maybe even shooting @ us for no apparent reason.
really, we have two choices. we can shut 'em down now, get some attention, and maybe improve the situation. Or, we can do nothing, go bankrupt, and try to collect unemployment while we search for something else. In either case, the freigh doesn't get moved.
hell, i even hear talk, in the trucking community, that some of the larger trucking companies are on the verge of bankruptcy!
The freight will sit.....one way or the other.

BTW, C.H. Robinson has made a fortune on cheap freight. Every truck driver knows it.
I think, in addition to a trucker strike, we should name and boycott specific brokerage houses that are well known for heap freight!
C.H. Robinson is one.

firesidetransfer@gmail.com in Wayne City, Illinois said: The average truck gets 5 miles to the gallon. If a gallon of diesel is $4.00, it cost eighty cents to drive one mile.
Insurance for one truck at $800 a month. IRP for that one truck at $1400.00. Ky. registration for one truck one trailer $61.00. IRS-1099 for one truck $550.00. UCR for one truck $39.00. Equals $31.92 a day for a 365 day year.
Road taxes are from 13 to 41 cents a gallon added to the $4.00 a gallon you pay at the pump, depending on the state you go through.
You pay property taxes in AR., KS. and KY if you enter those states.
Enter a toll road you add the Road Tax for that state.
Oil change at $250.00. A tire at $400.00. Truck shop labor at $100 an hour.
Did I leave anything out? Lumpers! You have to pay the Receiver to take the freight out of your trailer!
I have no driver and the equipment is paid for so I have a little change in my pocket.
It's the brokers that have killed this industry. They keep cutting each others rates to get the contract. President Reagan did us a disservice when he deregulated.

I think you about covered it all, but the truck and trailer payments many of these owners have. IRP tags are more in Tennessee usually about $1500.-$1800 per tag. Trailer Tags are $92.75. Talking to a company who has nine units. My fuel bill is about $35,000 week. How are the larger companies making it?

Attaboy...Everybody should stay home, even the factory workers, the high cost of gas and fuel affect everyone. It looks to me like everyone in this country should back this strike and stay home too. We have 3 trucks sitting, I know that's not much but it's all we have and they WILL sit as long as it takes!!!

hey look at it this way...if u sit ur 3 trucks...u fuel ur trucks 3 times a week...at 1000 a pop..thats 9000 dollars ur helpin to put a startin hole in the pockets of the goverment...it may not be much...but its a start...we shut ours down and we only have one...so between ur 3 and my one...thats appx 12000 dollars ...may not seem much...but if enuff shut em down...look at the numbers then...

The lower class and middle class people are getting tired of being screwed over, trying to live pay day to pay day - trying to keep the bill collectors at bay. The goverment doesn't care - look at how much help they've given to families who are losing their homes. When you deal with dishonest, money hungry people they don't care about anything but the money and some of them even go to church on a weekly bases pretending to be a good religious person. I love my country and I pray this strike works cause I'm sick and tired of trying to just make ends meet. Our gov't and big business should be ashamed and embarressed at the needless stress they've caused people. "I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT I DON"T TRUST OUR gov"t"

I believe if we really get together we truckers can do it,we have to send a message the high officials,letting them know that the trucking industry is not a force to recon with.So please let us do this and get it over.I will be writing "WE SUPPORT THE TRUCKERS STRIKE"

hey guys I work for harris teeter here in apex nc. I have already started seeing that our supplies are short and the strike hasn't even been launched yet. So more power to you and for one who works in the retail atmosphere i hope that my shelves start getting bare. that will wake up the country and let them realize that truckers are the heartbeat that carries this nation!

God bless each and every one of you!

I agree with the comment on CH Robinson they are the walmart
of cheap and double brokerage.
My truck is parked for lack of profit and the insurance will close next month is this strike does not work

...look who the millionaires are....these big falutin brokerages...bet they dont bat an eye when they go get gas to go to work...they know theyll be able to move a load and get 40 % off the top....let them start haulin the freight in theyre lil fuel efficiant compact cars...see how long it takes em to figure out...SHOOT WE NEED TRUCKS!!!

Strike won't do squat. There are plenty of Mexicans, Russians and Rag-heads that will run no matter what, and American drivers know this......

I emailed CNN about the strike and hadn't got a response back.Somebody else try to contact them to get this on the air.

My fiance drives a tractor trailer and is owner/operator. I think this is long overdue. I support each and every trucker out there. This needs to be done.

Chris in Douglassville, Pennsylvania said: Jason is right!!! A one day strike is not going to do a darn thing.

IT IS A START........EVERYTHING BEGINS WITH THE FIRST STEP! LETS STICK TOGETHER AND MAKE THE COUNTRY STRONG AGAIN! THESE CLOWNS IN THE GOVERMENT ARE KILLING US!!!I'LL STAND WITH THE STRIKERS!! WE LOVE THIS COUNTRY!

question guys!!! i just got a call from one of my drivers and he said he heard the strike would start at midnight tonight and go until april 4th...anyone else heard this?

All I have is a little Chevy S10 ... but I support YOU 250% !!! Its about time someone did something to confront this thing that is bringing the working men and women to their knees !!!! Shut 'em down, Guys !!! If I was a trucker, I'd be right there with you!!! One fourth of my income is going into the fuel tank to get me to work and back. No one in Washington seems to give a rip, so its up to the people to put it in their face.

Doug in Lancaster, Kentucky said: How ignorant are you??? That can kill. Shoot the radiator if you feel like violence is the answer. Damn 22 shells are very cheap and will easily penetrate a radiator, why take a chance on killing someone and possibly orphan a child. Don't be ignorant. Jerry Springer has a show for that.

all of you who think that violence is the answer is wrong. i would be a widow and have to explain to my two young children why their daddy is not coming home. and why we can't afford food. guess if this keeps up then the state can support us. will that do anything for our economy? the violence has to STOP! that is not the answer to anything. but i do support the shut down.

mj in Morgantown, West Virginia said: My Dad was a Teamster and I truly respect the trucking industry. It isn't fair what is being done to our society as a whole, when the wealthy oil barrens control everthing. So I say shut 'er down. Lets see what those in charge think when all their deliveries are interrupted and they are inconvenienced. Go truckers,TEAMSTERS!!!! United we do stand. God Bless

the teamsters are NOT shutting down.

vern in Youngstown, Ohio said: my are you confused, ? or desperate

jackie in Pelham, Georgia said: If you want to shut your truck down fine well and good, but leave the ones who want to keep truckin alone. My huband is a driver. Do you people realize that if you shut down it is not going to do anything but make other things more expensive like food, clothes, etc... but do yall really care i guess not. If you would stop driving your personal vehicles it would have more of an impact because every family has some type of vehilce. So quit complaining about stuff that you cant cange. Get over it or get another job.

my are you confused, ? or desperate\

I can't believe what you are saying! Yes! We want the price of everything else to go up--that's the way every other aspect of the economy works--the costs get passed on to the end user! If you want to keep absorbing the costs for them at the expense of your own family, that's your business. NOT ME! Yes it will be bad when everything is more expensive, maybe then the government will finally have to step up and do something about it. I think we should all support each other. A 3 day strike will have little effect on any of our pocketbooks. Maybe you aren't doing as poorly as the rest of us right now, do you care? I guess not! Just wait, food and clothes prices will go up no matter what once they figure out they can do it and get away with it, when it happens, just get over it or get another job!

I sold my two trucks last year when fuel went over $3.00 a gallon cause I knew $4.00 a gallon was right around the corner. I would love to buy another rig because I miss it so much, but I would rather do nothing that work for free and I sure as hell would rather do nothing than lose money. If your digging yourself into a hole, stop digging. That's what I did. I support the April 1, 2008 shutdown and I hope it works out. Thanks

steph in Saint Louis, Missouri said: all of you who think that violence is the answer is wrong. i would be a widow and have to explain to my two young children why their daddy is not coming home. and why we can't afford food. guess if this keeps up then the state can support us. will that do anything for our economy? the violence has to STOP! that is not the answer to anything. but i do support the shut down.

obviously you didnt read my previous statements. I'm not for the violence. I said shoot the radiator as opposed to what some others for talking about shooting.

come on guys stay home they need us and we need cheaper gas prices so stand up for yourself and stay home.