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Mitchell in Fort Lauderdale, Florida 28 months ago |
ThatsMintttt in Staten Island, New York said: Mitchell that sounds great...I've heard of a "physical therapist", but I never heard of a physical thearpist assistant?...How would one go about obtaining information on what type of schooling they'd need for this, and where to go for it?... |
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JM in Gainesville, Florida 28 months ago |
There are currently many PTA that are getting out of that field. Like anything, it depends on what you "might like" or not. I have a friend that is burned out from this field. She dislikes her job and became a Physician Assistant. Personally, I can't see myself working in that field. Perception is Everything - Good luck on your studies :-) |
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Gema in Miami, Florida 28 months ago |
I am currently going to school to become a diagnostic cardiac sonographer. I was going to school to become A CMA but decide to change careers. I so far LOVE it from what I have read on all these forums all careers are hurting. how is the ECHO job outlook??? |
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Lea Newland in Wildomar, California 28 months ago |
Statistically the outlook is good, especially with the medicare cuts to radiology...nuclear was cut 60% which means more frequent ultrasounds for the techs to do on patients with known issues instead of ordering the more expensive more accurate but more risky to the patient tests. But on this forum you'll hear alot of negative things so be prepared, if you have a bachelor or are going to an accredited by CAAHEP school you should be fine if you are not going to a CAAHEP and do not have a bachelor chances are it will be twice as hard to get into the field without your RDCS license behind you since they ALL want experience regardless but at least the docs would know you were smart enough to pass the registry and theoretically know it all, scanning skills notwithstanding. One of my friends has already seen an increase in his bookings at the sites he rotates. Some geographic locations in the US have less jobs at the moment for our positions, these tend to be the bigger states and cities like southern CA, FL and NY thats because of the huge amount of schools there that are both accredited and non-CAAHEP schools. So be willing to travel or move if you are in these spots or it will be tough, it might get better though in the near future. My friend thinks that with the radiology cuts those techs are going to try to go back to school for ultrasound...i don't know about that but it's possible, and in the end those people will get the job first with that kind of experience. We'll see. Good luck to you! |
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Gema in Miami, Florida 28 months ago |
This is the school I am going to www.dademedicalinstitute.com/diagnostic-cardiac-sonography.html here is a description on the program I am going in to. what do ya think??? I pretty sure they are accredited and you can take the physics exam right after you finish that class. The program is 22 months long for your AA in DCS. I am planing to get a part time job and go back to school to get my masters in DCS. |
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Lea Newland in Wildomar, California 28 months ago |
well heres the thing, when i look it up on CAAHEP.org...it's not on the list...this is what i found on your schools website..
It looks like they are accredited for the radiology program specifically, CAAHEP works with the joint review committee of Diagnostic medical sonography, the one mentioned above is the JRC of radiolgy techs (don't know for sure if radiology is officially accredited at the school though, i thought CAAHEP governed radiology tech schools too but i could be wrong). While general ultrasound is considered radiology in hospitals, cardiac usually isn't part of that department and furthermore JRC of radiology techs doesn't govern ultrasound at all since they have their own committee. I'm pretty sure without a bachelor degree you can't sit for your boards (except for the physics portion). Did they specifically tell you or put it in writing that you can sit for your boards when you finish? |
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Gema in Miami, Florida 28 months ago |
Lea Newland- They are students in my school that are in DCS program and have already pass one of the two test that you need to become a register DCS... I am not sure how that works. They do 6 months of labs and then you do your 110 Hrs of internship. |
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Gema in Miami, Florida 28 months ago |
Also on their website they say Students that graduate from the program are immediately eligible to sit for their C.C.I. exam and the physics portion of the ARDCS, a credential awarded by the ARDMS, American Registry of Diagnostic Medical Sonographers. Is it in every state different?? |
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ThatsMintttt in Staten Island, New York 28 months ago |
Mitchell in Fort Lauderdale, Florida said: JM, thank you so much! And yes, you are correct, Polysomnography is definitely on the rise, and it's no BS, the way I thought ultrasound was on the up and up, lol...One thing I liked too was that when I called up the Board of Registered Polysomnography technicians, and the Amercian Academy of Sleep Medicine to help me find a school, it took them about 45 minutes to locate an accredited school with an accredited program in my surrounding areas...There were virtually NO accredited schools or schools-period-for polysomnography, there was actually only ONE, and it was at Stoney Brook college in Long Island, which believe it or not, is 2 hours away from me...So they searched in NJ for me, and there was only just a few...So, I liked it right then and there too that sleep study schools seem to be few and far between, as opposed to ultrasound school which seem to be popping up on every corner...The PTA program sounds really great, and interesting, I looked it up on the computer and read up on it...And that's wonderful that you'll be finished within a year and 3 months...Couldn't get any better than that amount of time! Thank goodness you got your pre-requisites out of the way before hand...Anyway, take care, thanks for wishing me good luck, I wish the same to you too, and I certainly will keep you posted : ) |
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ThatsMintttt in Staten Island, New York 28 months ago |
Sorry I just got a little confused, I didn't realize I was responding to JM, I thought I was responding to "Mitchell"....You two were both speaking of the PTA program...Are you the same person, just used a different name in the forum??...If not, then sorry JM, I was meaning to respond to Mitchell, lol...Woops! Anyway, thank you also for wishing me good luck : ) |
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Lea in Sun City, California 28 months ago |
Gema-there is only one test to become RDCS however you also have to take the physics test to be legit no matter if your school is caahep accredited or not. you can take that physics test as long as you pass physics with a C or better the catch is that you can't sit for any specialty exam like RDCS unless you went to a caahep school have a bachelor degree or higher or have one year of documented hours ask your schoolmates which test they took I am sure they will say it's the SPI physics test the specialty could not be taken while still on school anyhow and it's not a two part test it's two separate test on two different subjects |
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Lea in Sun City, California 28 months ago |
Gema-in regards to the other post the physics portion of testing is not a credential you can't claim to be a ARDMS registered tech having passed that no matter which specialty you choose everyone has to take this test and pass it and a specialty to be registered with ARDMS as a tech:
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Gema in Miami, Florida 27 months ago |
THANKS LEE :) I am going to ask the students who are about to graduate. From what I have seen the way they teach the students in DCS program they do a very good job. I am still waiting for financial aid to get there part done so I am still in my MA class. I still go to there labs when we are done and I am studying there power points. They do 3 HRS of lectures and 1 hr of labs with the ultrasound machines Ether way I have to put my all in become successful in this field. I have a LO who I have to provide for I am not a single mother but I have to give him the best that I can. He is my motivation to become someone in life... |
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Scoutsmomma in Plano, Texas 27 months ago |
Katie frm nyc said: I have been doing my research and a lot of it at that. If you live in nyc your best bet honestly is to go to Long Island University for the vascular sonography/technology program. Could you tell me how LIU Sonogaphy program is going for you? I'm also looking into SUNY Downstate as well. Give me all the details you can--tuition, FAFSA, professors, classes, area of Brooklyn the campus is in. Thank you so much for any help! |
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ANNA in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
Scoutsmomma: I am a student of Downstate. The program is a very good one. It's a two year program, cheaper than LIU, and you will learn general, ob/gyn and vascular sonography. It's an accredited school and when you graduate you have your bachelor's degree and not just a certificate. |
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ANNA in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
Scoutsmomma: Oops...I just realized that you aren't a NY state resident therefore the tution will be much more expensive for you than if you were a resident. It will cost about $13k a semester for out of state resident students. But the school is still an excellent school with a very good reputation with the hospitals in the area. |
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Sam Largo in Whittier, California 27 months ago |
Anna in Middle Village, New York said: Hi Alina. That school isn't accredited which means unless you already have a bachelor's degree, you will have to try and find a hospital that will hire you without being registered, so you could work for a full year before you qualify to sit for the registry. Most hospitals won't hire you because of the liability risk, besides the fact there's tons of people who have graduated from an accredited school and are registered looking for the same position. Do yourself a favor and go to an accredited school, so you won't have to deal with the bs that goes along with going to an unaccredited school. Florida has about nine accredited schools. Go on to www.caahep.org and look for the one closest to you. Good luck! www.ardms.org
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Marco Clemente in Whittier, California 27 months ago |
CESAR in Pasadena, California said: HELLO THERE I HAVE THE SAME EXACT QUESTIONS AS YOU DID! IF YOU CAN PLEASE EMAIL ME WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE, IF YOU ATTENDED PCI, AND HOW DID IT GO. I Would highly recommend PCI COLLEGE, any where you go, the outcome is on you as the student. Employers are looking for knowledgeble & Confident Individuals. Give it your all and you should be sucessful. Good Luck Cesar |
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sonogurl in La Habra, California 27 months ago |
i dont mean to but in but some one made a comment about PCI college i have a relative who works for them .and as a sonographer myself...I recommend staying away from vocational schools when it comes to ultrasound go to a four year college. Unless you have some type of bachelors then do vocational. |
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tlNY in Tuxedo Park, New York 27 months ago |
Not everyone has accredited schools in their area, or very few with limited openings. Since I have a B.A. I I am going to a vocational school and with a Bachelors should be able to sit for ARDMS and CCI. |
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Jen in Desert Hot Springs, California 27 months ago |
I would like to also suggest an option, an online program academyofultrasound.com As required by its program, offers "hands-on" scan labs given in a location convenient to student. Good Luck! |
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JM in Gainesville, Florida 27 months ago |
Absolutely guaranteed way to fail and throw away your money. Do NOT go this route !!!! |
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ghazala in Richmond, Virginia 27 months ago |
Hi everybody,
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Lea Newland in Wildomar, California 27 months ago |
ghazala you should try to network and attend conferences in ultrasound or your area of expertise to meet people in the field and get business cards of doctors or heads of labs,schools, other techs or possibly even manufacturers booths, theres sales jobs for ultrasound equipment they need registered techs for that too. Also if you are male it's very hard for men to get into OBGYN out because a nurse has to be present for every exam if you are male, then even hospitals want a well rounded tech so that includes OBGYN so that makes it difficult. Ultrasound schools are always looking for registered experienced techs to instruct in labs as well and I'm sure they won't judge so harshly on where you gained experience just that you know what you are doing so you can teach protocols. Good luck! |
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ThatsMintttt in Staten Island, New York 27 months ago |
ghazla, you're registered, and already practiced in OBGYN, and are/were a practicing ultrasound technician in your country, and you can't find a job here in ultrasound??....And I see you're from Virginia too, I thought Virginia was one of the supposed states where ultrasound was still employable.....Wow...If that isn't a wake up call, then I don't know what is...Good luck to you, and I really do hope you find employment soon, especially with all of your credentials... |
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Kwirth in Kings Park, New York 27 months ago |
Have a coworker that has been doing ultrasound for the past 10 years. She never sat for the exam and now that the laws are changing she wants to take the registry and cant??? They are telling her that with the school she went to, she doesnt have enought credits. She is a highly skilled sonographer with so much experience and ardms will not let her take the exam. Therefore, is she suppose to give up her career????? Does anyone out there have any stories like this and if so what can she do???? |
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Lea in El Monte, California 27 months ago |
According to an instructor at my school therewas a time ardms let people like your friend sit for the exam with written documention from their employer of two years of employment minimum and gave them a grace period to get the exams completed but to my teachers knowledge that ended a few years ago now they have to go to school to qualify the education portion but they don't have to go for ultrasound if they go for a bachelor in anything they can qualify obviously someting healthcare related might be beneficial otherwise an expensive private school is the fastest way for them to qualify in under 2 years unfortunately these are the only ways
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Grace Wilson in Dallas, Texas 27 months ago |
Kwirth, unfortunatley yeah, I have heard stories like this before. I've been doing sono seven years and just got my registry the end of last year, and I feel like I'm one of the lucky ones in that I was able to sit for the registry. I'm not really sure what I can recommened to help her out, but I do know that she is definatly not alone in that situation. |
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rocksteady in peekskill, New York 27 months ago |
Tabitha in White Plains, New York said: Hi, Im so happy to have found this forum! So, i've been thinking about doing an ultrasound program for years now. I'm currently an esthetician with a NY state license and I also have a associate degree in social science from Westchester Community College. Hello, your story sounds like mine, I went to SB in WP and the cost is exhorbant...you can google sb reviews and read what students have said...have you found a school yet? please advise |
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Jen in Desert Hot Springs, California 27 months ago |
Kwirth in Kings Park, New York said: Have a coworker that has been doing ultrasound for the past 10 years. She never sat for the exam and now that the laws are changing she wants to take the registry and cant??? They are telling her that with the school she went to, she doesnt have enought credits. She is a highly skilled sonographer with so much experience and ardms will not let her take the exam. Therefore, is she suppose to give up her career????? Does anyone out there have any stories like this and if so what can she do???? How terrible!! Without know ALL of the specifics about your friend's situation, I would suggest she find out if she is eligible to sit for the CCI registry (www.cci-online.org; Cardiovascular Credentialing International). If eligible to sit for this registry, and she passes, then she should be able to sit for ARDMS. Good Luck to her. Keep us posted on her situation. |
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unbelieving in Pompano Beach, Florida 27 months ago |
ARDMS SHOULD THINK ABOUT WRITING A NEW DOC CONCERNING PROFESSIONALS WITH THIS PROBLEM AFTER ALL THESE NEW GUIDELINES DID NOT EXIST BACK THEM CONCESSIONS SHOULD BE MADE SO THEY DONT HAVE TO THROW AWAY A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE AND THEIR MEANS TO MAKE A LIVING UNBELIEVABLE |
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ANNA in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
kwirth: This is where all the new sonographers who went to accredited schools are going to get jobs because there are going to be so many people who had gone to unaccredited schools who were never registered, and now they won't be able to sit for their registery no matter how many years they've worked. This should be an example as to why people should go to an accredited school to avoid this exact situation. When people say there are no positions available, that may be true now, but it won't be the case in the upcoming years, when people will find themselves in the same unfortunate position as that person. |
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Lea in Sun City, California 27 months ago |
Hey Anna! In the situation of the poster their friend didn't attend school I thought? If they had whether or not it was accredited with 10 years under their belt they could still sit for the registries even if the school closed as long as they got their copies of transcripts before that happened of course since the stipulation for the non caahep folk is just the 1 year of experience with the course credits (or the bachelor) but I agree with the fact that soon all unregistered techs will be screwed especially when the care bill finally pushes through |
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Lea in Sun City, California 27 months ago |
Kwirths friends problem was the fact that now long term experience
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bassin1696 in Racine, Wisconsin 27 months ago |
nic in Staten Island, New York said: What is your current education? Remember you must get your ardms to even get a job interview these days. No one wants an unregistered tech,don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!! So go where your sure to get registered stright away or you won't work & I'm not kidding!If doing the certificate program allows you to sit for the test find out how much work experience is necessary, some say 600 hrs or 8 mths after you graduate as long as your working.The trouble is you can't work w/o experience & you can't sit for the test w/o it either. Ask the career councelor of the schools this question & get their name. What schools were you thinking of go to? What state are you in? I hear Down state in NJ is a great program. I went to UDS in Iselin NJ now Stamford Brown & it was like boot camp. im a male thinking of going for the ultrasound, is it harder for male to get a job? |
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tabata in Monterey Park, California 27 months ago |
tlNY in Tuxedo Park, New York said: Not everyone has accredited schools in their area, or very few with limited openings. Since I have a B.A. I I am going to a vocational school and with a Bachelors should be able to sit for ARDMS and CCI. Hi there , so if you have a B.A no matter from which country and what field is this ok if u go to a non accredited school inorder to take ARDMS exam??? |
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tabata in Monterey Park, California 27 months ago |
Does anyone know about Kaplan college in north hollywood ??
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Jen in Desert Hot Springs, California 27 months ago |
tabata in Monterey Park, California said: Does anyone know about Kaplan college in north hollywood ?? Yes. Currently, we have an instructor in Palm Springs,CA for the Academy of Ultrasound (www.academyofultrasound) where we have a number of students enrolled. Thank You. |
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kwirth in Huntington Station, New York 27 months ago |
Yes, According to the ARDMS, if you went to an unaccredited school but have a bachelors (in anything), you can take the exam. |
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tabata in Glendale, California 27 months ago |
Thank you so much for your reply , but if someone does not have any bachelors then you should pass 12 months of work in order to apply for ARDMS right ? no matter accredited school or not accredited??
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ellena rossi in Sun City, Arizona 27 months ago |
for all of you who already work in the ultrasound/sonography field: Please advise what is the prevalence of going to an accredited school instead of one that is not accredited if you have already a BA and so you can still write the ARDMS??? |
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sonotek07 in Redding, California 27 months ago |
tabata in Monterey Park, California said: Does anyone know about Kaplan college in north hollywood ?? I graduated from there and FYI, it is hard to find a job when you are done. You pay alot of money with the possibility of finding employment after, slim to none. Loma Linda has a great Ultrasound program. Look on the SDMS and ARDMS websites. $30,000 or more is way too much to pay in student loans if you are unable to locate work after. I know people who graduated from the program and were not able to find work at all. They are working the same jobs they had before the program. Really research and do not believe everything they try to sell you. |
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Nan in Pompano Beach, Florida 27 months ago |
Kwirth in Kings Park, New York said: Have a coworker that has been doing ultrasound for the past 10 years. She never sat for the exam and now that the laws are changing she wants to take the registry and cant??? They are telling her that with the school she went to, she doesnt have enought credits. She is a highly skilled sonographer with so much experience and ardms will not let her take the exam. Therefore, is she suppose to give up her career????? Does anyone out there have any stories like this and if so what can she do???? I am in the same situation as your co-worker. I have been working since 1997, finally decide to sit for the ardms and was denied. Advice would be greatly appreciated |
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J in Desert Hot Springs, California 27 months ago |
Nan in Pompano Beach, Florida said: I am in the same situation as your co-worker. I have been working since 1997, finally decide to sit for the ardms and was denied. Advice would be greatly appreciated Go to CCI(www.cci-online.org) and look at their Handbook (pdf) for examination reiquirements overview. You may find that you fit under one of their requirements; then, once you have passed the CCI registry, you would be eligible to sit for ARDMS. Of course, without knowing your complete background, this is just a suggestion and worth at least a bit of research. Good luck and God Bless. Keep us updated as to your progress. |
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joy in Elk Grove, California 27 months ago |
Hi everyone! Thanks all for the very helpful info about the sonography programs and requirements for the ARDMS. Anyhow, I am interested in pursuing the general ultrasound program. Instead of attending a community college I decided to attend a technical school. Does it matter where I attend school? Will it hurt me in the long run? |
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Anna in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
Joy: It's your call if you want to attend a technical school, but understand this. When you graduate a community college you walk away with an associates degree, whereas with a technical school you walk away with just a certificate. You cannot build upon a ceritificate but you can with an associate's degree. Should you decide to further your education and go back to school, you would go and work towards your bachelor's degree, master's degree or PhD. Also, generally speaking, it's alot cheaper to go to a community college than any tech school. But since it's apparent you have already decided to go that route, make sure it's a tech school that is respected by the hospitals in your area and a school that has a good reputation. Good luck. |
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joy in Elk Grove, California 27 months ago |
Anna in Middle Village, New York said: Joy: It's your call if you want to attend a technical school, but understand this. When you graduate a community college you walk away with an associates degree, whereas with a technical school you walk away with just a certificate. You cannot build upon a ceritificate but you can with an associate's degree. Should you decide to further your education and go back to school, you would go and work towards your bachelor's degree, master's degree or PhD. Also, generally speaking, it's alot cheaper to go to a community college than any tech school. But since it's apparent you have already decided to go that route, make sure it's a tech school that is respected by the hospitals in your area and a school that has a good reputation. Good luck. Thanks Anna. I forgot to mention that I already have a Bachelors degree so I'm just looking to get into a program to get my diploma so I can sit for the ARDMS. All I'm really worried about is that I can't get a job once I'm done with school because I attended a tech school. Do you know if employers look down upon tech school vs community colleges? |
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ThatsMintttt in Staten Island, New York 27 months ago |
Hi Joy...I thought I was done commenting on these forums as I've decided to change career paths all together and dropped going to school for cardiovascular sonography for many, MANY of my own reasons and findings...Any how, I needed to comment on your comment about about going to a technical school...You had mentioned, "does it matter where I attend school".....YES...It matters VERY much..Do you already possess a bachelors degree? If you already have a bachelors degree under your belt (and your bachelors could be in any subject by the way), then you can go to any old technical school for ultrasound (and believe me, you won't have a problem at all finding one, because they are on every single corner these ultrasound schools now days!)...However, if you DO NOT have a bachelors degree already-then make SURE you go to a CAAHEP accredited technical school, and don't listen to them if they tell you they are accredited under any other type of accreditation, if they tell you they aren't "Caahep", then please do yourself a favor and get up and walk out of there-FAST... Some might tell you that if you're going for cardiovascular instead of just general ultrasound, that the school doesn't necessarily have to be CAAHEP, since you can just take the CCI (Cardiovascular credentialing international) board exam..And this is absolutely true, as most cardiologist offices would rather you be CCI registered, but the thing is there are virtually no jobs out there at all for it right now...It's becoming too much of a fad now for people to want to go to school for this...And what happens when you get millions of people all going to school for the same thing?...The result is that it's 1 million times harder for you to find employment now because it's so popular to go to school for this career...And, even though CCI is a good exam to take, the ARDMS is STILL considered the "gold standard" of registries & you can't sit for the ARDMS unless the school is CAAHEP accredited. |
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Anna in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
Hi Joy. It really depends on the technical school you are planning to attend. Some may have an excellent reputation & the hospitals may look favorably towards it, & may make you more likely to be hired. But generally speaking, the reason why a school isn't accredited is because they do not teach you enough to pass the registeries the program doesn't teach you enough information so you end up paying all that money (usually TENS of thousands of dollars) & you will have to go the extra mile ON YOUR OWN to study for the exams. Quite frankly, if I were to pay so much money for my education, I want to know that when I get out of school, I am fully prepared to take & pass the exams, especially the physics exam which is like the holy grail of ultrasound exams. Also, the vast majority of the technical schools don't give you enough clinical sites. Most clinical sites don't want to have anything to do with unaccredited schools. So, here's something you should do when you speak to the tech schools you are looking into:
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Anna in Middle Village, New York 27 months ago |
Joy:(sorry...it cut me off before I got a chance to finish)
Approximately 21 out of the 22 people who took the physics registery passed the test on their first try. Our school teaches and trains you to pass the registery and it's now at the point where you MUST pass the registery to work in the field. The days of just graduating from a sonography school and finding a job without passing the registery are on the way out. Within the next five years, everyone will have to be fully registered (meaning passing the physics portion and at least one speciality to be considered fully registered, however, you could take additional registery exams to make yourself even more employable).
Please read previous posts on this site and really think long and hard about what you are planning to do. You don't want to end up on this site in two years saying that you are still unemployed in the ultrasound field and owing lots of money. I just noticed THATSMINTTT replied to you. Ask her questions because she got screwed by SBI as well as another school she went to and that girl is really smart and worked so hard to pass all her classes! She will be completely honest with you. Good luck! |
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