ARDMS Ultrasound Certification vs. Accredited Sonography Program

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just say no in brooklyn, New York

44 months ago

just say no in brooklyn, New York said: Don't waste your time on ANY CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS!! I graduated with a BACHELOR'S DEGREE in Science (Ultrasound) and still can't find a job and it's been two years. But since I am a college graduate, I have options such as studying for my Master's or just look for a job working in an office which seems as though everyone needs to have at least a bachelor's degree nowadays just to work in an office and have a chance at a decent salary.

If you graduate with a certificate and can't find a job, you'll be so screwed! You will be in debt from the program and won't be able to find a job to pay back the debt.

Also, make sure IF you decide to go the certificate route, make sure the program is CAAHEP accredited, which unfortunately, most are not. Good luck.

** sorry for posting on your post...I meant to post on someone else's and didn't realize I clicked on yours. ;)

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joyce

44 months ago

That's ok for posting on wrong page. I've been on ultrasound for 12years and love it making lots of money. I have my ARDMS .Had people behind me to push me so that's how I made it
U have to surround yourself with positive people! So don't say NO!

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joyce

44 months ago

Don'tbelieveit in Phoenix, Arizona said: You people are silly.
Accreditation doesn't matter when there are no jobs.

The reason you can't find a job has nothing to do with where you went to school, if you are good (how is this even being measured), and remember, every school tells you they are the best.

There are no jobs.

U r absolutely right!

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Jen in Los Angeles, California

44 months ago

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Michael in Nutley, New Jersey

43 months ago

Cynthia1984 in Old Bridge, New Jersey said: Hi i graduated school a year ago for Diagnostic medical sonography and echocardiograph. I havent been able to find a job. Im going to take my spi exam in 2 months. Every job i apply to says they want 2 years experience ive tried to see if i could shadow a sonographer to gain more experience its seems impossible. Does anyone have ideas on how to get more experience?

Hi, What school did you attend to?

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Jane in New York, New York

42 months ago

Katie frm nyc said: I have been doing my research and a lot of it at that. If you live in nyc your best bet honestly is to go to Long Island University for the vascular sonography/technology program.
They are accredited by caahep & as soon as your done with ur schooling(12months) you can sit down to take the ardms exam. No problem!!! Trust me I have been rigorously trying to find out information ..correct info to go to the right school. They start in jan & aren't too expensive $20,000. I'm starting in Jan09 hope to see you there!! Gluck

Hey
I have read your comment and trying to understand what is a better fit at LIU brooklyn campus. I'm just wondering what is the difference between the certificate program in vascular technology and a Bachelor Degree in Diognostic Medical Sonography(asides from the finance)? I have been researching about this field for the past six months and not quiet sure which program is better and where is it easier to get a job in today's economy after graduation. Please give me an advice, it will help me a lot!!! Thank you in advance

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eva in Clifton, New Jersey

42 months ago

cinn2kitty in East Rutherford, New Jersey said: i was looking in to going to hohokus for ultra sound.Is this worth it? or is sandforn brown a better choice?

Please do not go there. the school is not accredited. you need a school that is like sanford brown to muhlenberg. both are in new jersey. do not go to that school. i have heard horribe stories about it. they will take you money. they are not accredited

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Michael in New York, New York

42 months ago

eva in Clifton, New Jersey said: Please do not go there. the school is not accredited. you need a school that is like sanford brown to muhlenberg. both are in new jersey. do not go to that school. i have heard horribe stories about it. they will take you money. they are not accredited

Did you attend to Eastwick college?

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katia in Danbury, Connecticut

38 months ago

Mara in Rego Park, New York said: This is simple:
School: I went to UDS or what is now Sanford Brown in NY. At that time 2 days class 2 days lab . It should honestly have been 1 day class 3 days lab with the exception of the physics module which should be 3 days class 1 day lab.
Pass ARDMS. Physics is hard, not because of the material, but because you have to wrap your mind around something you can not see. You have to have great imagination and good memory. I studied 4 months for the physics test. REad the same books at least 3 times forward and backwards. No kidding! Specialty is up to each person. Peronally I went with AB and will be taking Breast in Ocotber.
You might be able to get a part time or two after you pass Physics but do not expect to get anything without at least passing that first stage.
Good luck!

I agree it should be 3 day's lab and 1 day lecture...

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maltin in Boynton Beach, Florida

36 months ago

Hello, everyone! Can you cross train in both in general and cardiac Sonography concurrently or do you have to train in one general first and then go back to school to train for cardiac or vice versa?

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Madi in Newark, Arkansas

36 months ago

I am a teenage girl from Arkansas. When I graduate, would like to go into OBGYN sonograph. I would like too attend Central Florida Institute and go to the sonograph program. I have so many questions. If you have already graduated and are now a working ultrasound tech for an OBGYN then please email me asap.
Thank you!
madicoles@yahoo.com

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michelle000 in Florida

33 months ago

Madi in Newark, Arkansas said: I am a teenage girl from Arkansas. When I graduate, would like to go into OBGYN sonograph. I would like too attend Central Florida Institute and go to the sonograph program. I have so many questions. If you have already graduated and are now a working ultrasound tech for an OBGYN then please email me asap.
Thank you!
madicoles@yahoo.com

Go anywhere other than CFI. I went through their sonography program and only one person is working in the field. It's over saturated and their training was awful..especially OBGYN.

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michelle000 in Florida

33 months ago

Maltin in Boynton Beach, Florida said: Hello, everyone! Can you cross train in both in general and cardiac Sonography concurrently or do you have to train in one general first and then go back to school to train for cardiac or vice versa?

You typically learn General (ob, abdomen) or Vascular. But..you do get a little vascular training when you learn general…just not as advanced.

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michelle000 in Florida

31 months ago

i think our dream came true!! it looks like it's closing on their website and Facebook and it says they withdrew from their accreditation on caahep. finally!!! someone realized they are stealing everyones money with their poor quality education!!

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Natasha in Matawan, New Jersey

31 months ago

Michelle000 in Florida said: i think our dream came true!! it looks like it's closing on their website and Facebook and it says they withdrew from their accreditation on caahep. finally!!! someone realized they are stealing everyones money with their poor quality education!!

Michelle? Whats closing???

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michelle000 in Florida

31 months ago

Central Florida Institute!

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Donna Sceusa in New York, New York

18 months ago

Are you finding it hard to get registered? Can't find a job?

Well it may be because ardms is to blame.
I want you guys to think about something .....
I think we need to point fingers at ARDMS. I would like anyone who completed a sonograhy/ultrasound program that was not "accredited" according to ARDMS to please email me with your story. It can be anonymous if you would like but make sure to have a valid email attached to your response so I can update you on what is going on.

If you have not been able to get registered please email me a 1-2 pages explanation on what it has been like. Tell me what school you attended, what year, what happened when you graduated. All the details you can give me would be great!

I will be submitting this to the organization that ARDMS is accredited through and make complaint about the strict and ridiculous criteria needed to take the exam. I will also point out how they have become the industry standard for licensing yet it is not required by law to be a licensed ultrasound technician through ARDMS. The reason almost 90 % of the medical facilites throughout the country have ARDMS as a requirement is because some how ARDMS has gotten the insurance companies that pay out to these facilites to require ARDMS as a licensing standard. You can't get a job because ARDMS has become a monopoly in the industry and set standard that many cannot live up to. This is greatly affecting our lives because many of us cannot get jobs or are being held back at work because we are not registered or rather cannot become registered because of their licensing requirements. Email me at sonographersagainstardms@gmail.com

I think a lot of sonographers are over looking ARDMS as possible catalyst to this problem.

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Donna Sceusa in New York, New York

18 months ago

My Reply:
I understand the frustration of many recently graduated sonographers when they can't take the ARDMS registry. However, the frustration many of you feel should not be directed at ARDMS. Every health profession has to have high standards due to the nature of our work. People's lives are at risk when we send in poorly trained professionals to care for them. As a highly operator depend modality, if we don't do a thorough enough exam, the patient can get the wrong or a delayed diagnosis and treatment that could also included unnecessary invasive exams and procedures. Critical thinking skills must be nurtured to do this job. As a 37 year veteran, who has interviewed new sonographers, I find this skill and others lacking in many graduates, particularly from the proprietary or for profit schools. That being said, we need our accrediting bodies like Joint Commission, CMS Medicare/ Medicaid, as well as state regulatory and educational licensing boards to scrutinize the sonography programs. Even NY State, with one of the highest US standards, has no such credentialed MD/Sonographer team. Ardms is not a license, which I believe each state should issue. Only 2, New Mexico and Oregon do so at the moment. Meanwhile, future Sonography students need only ask program admission reps one question. That is, Can I take the ARDMS registry the day I graduate your program? If you can't get into an accredited program where you can do this, you need to go back, take biology, algebra and trigonometry, genetics, anatomy and physiology or what ever is required. Many of us in sonography feel there are times the competency bar is not held high enough. . Email me at newwavenyc@verizon.net
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Donna Sceusa in New York, New York

18 months ago

Maltin in Boynton Beach, Florida said: Hello, everyone! Can you cross train in both in general and cardiac Sonography concurrently or do you have to train in one general first and then go back to school to train for cardiac or vice versa?

My advise to you is do general first. You need to understand anatomy and physiology of the whole body before attempting an echocardiographic and or vascular sonography program. Split sonography program should not be allowed, in my opinion. I would not want someone scanning me with a partial sonography perspective. An example, when Dopplering the liver(general) how would you understand the causes of a highly phasic portal vein waveform without a full perspective. This can be due to tricuspid valve regurgitation or fluid overload just to name 2 causes.

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Forkn in Knoxville, Tennessee

18 months ago

Hi Donna, you raise some interesting points that I'd like to dispute. It doesn't benefit a student to go through a 2 year general program if they only want to do echo. The only anatomy and physiology you need to know to do echo is the heart and lungs. In your example of a highly phasic portal vein; unless you also performed the echo on the same patient- how would you be expected to know if they had TR? In all the hospitals I've worked at; I've never seen one of the general techs look up an echo report before they did an exam and even if they did they wouldn't know what the report means. As far as the ARDMS; if a graduating student can't take it, that's on them. They should have researched the requirements before they entered the school and planned accordingly. If a student's dead set on getting into a field and paying the money to do it; being naïve isn't an excuse in 2015- there's the ARDMS website that will tell them exactly what they need to have. Finally, state licenses are a joke. Here's Oregon's license site www.oregon.gov/OBMI/pages/sonography_apps.aspx I looked at it and they require you to be registered and they want a $50 fee to check fingerprints for past criminal history. As you state, 90% of hospitals want ARDMS before they hire you and any hospital will do a background check on new employees. So, what added benefit does a state license requirement give to the patient? It's a scam that politicians use to make the public feel safer and a way for them to get a little extra cash from the techs.

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xboxer in Cactus, Arizona

18 months ago

No jobs, folks, and all of this stuff is just theatrics to make you think you have some control over things. They sure want your money.

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Forkn in Knoxville, Tennessee

18 months ago

WTF?

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xboxer in Cactus, Arizona

18 months ago

Forkn in Knoxville, Tennessee said: WTF?

Are you just playing clueless or do you really NOT know there are no jobs?

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Forkn in Knoxville, Tennessee

18 months ago

xboxer, are you high right now? If you're in a trailer with no job in the backwoods of Arizona, good for you, I'm not. Forget the potential students wanting to get into this line of work. You're a one trick pony; I'm writing about state licenses and ARDMS and all you've got to say is "no jobs"? No sh*%. Give it a rest.

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Scott in Rancho Cucamonga, California

16 months ago

Jenn said: I went to West Coast Ultrasound in California for my sono program. They were able to place me at a really good extern sight!
Right after I finished my 1,000 hours, I moved to Austin, TX. At first I had a really hard time getting a job because the school wasn't CAAHEP, even though I did graduate with a lot of other accredidations. The only thing that saved me... to get a good job was my externship training! Everytime I went on an interview, they asked me the basic questions...CAAHEP, ARDMS? Finally, I begged my current employer to let me do a few scans for them. After they watched me, finally, I was hired.
Now that I've been working for a year, I'm getting ready to take the Vascular exam. I'm also kind-of freeking out. I heard it was really hard!
In TEXAS, they are not hiring new techs unless you are Vascular Certified!!!

What books do I need to study in order to pass? Are there any tutors in the Austin area willing to help. I will pay of course.
Thanks for any info.
Jenn - jennphillips000@yahoo.com


I'm thinking of enrolling into the ontario west coast ultrasound institute. what do you think? did you like it? were you able to get a job after?

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tmarie in Middletown, New York

16 months ago

tracied in Doylestown, Pennsylvania said: You should also look into an 18 month program in Clifton, NJ called the American Institute. They offer both Cardiac and General and include all the necessary intern /extern hours to sit for the ARDMS. They also have locations in Connecticut and Florida. There is no waiting list and the cost is approx $30G. That includes all books, scrubs, lab coats, etc... It is specfically for people who have "real lives" and/or are looking to change careers. You have 2-3 evening online classes per week and if you are local, 2 mornings of clinical per week. If you are a "distance" student, you come in one weekend per month to get all your clinical hours. Mid-way into the program you start an internship near your home. You must have either a 2 yr degree in an allied health field, or a bachelor's degree in anything else to apply. I have a BA of fine arts. At the end of this program you can immediately take your certification tests. I am in my second semester, and so far so good. It is hard work, so wherever you go, you must be ready to buckle down and do your studies. I am mid 40's, so going back to school has been really hard. I am juggling a family, small home based business , and now school. But, if you want it, you can do it. Good luck. If you want any more info about this program, let me know. Tracie

Hello Tracie,

This question is in reference to the internship at the American Inst. You said you cannot do the internship unless you have a degree, but what if you have medical experience? Did you finish the program within 18mnths or did it take you longer? Would you recommend any other accredited Ultrasound programs near NJ/NY area?

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A.cen in Brooklyn, New York

14 months ago

Hi everyone, i''m interested in Ultrasound I looked into New York Medical Career Training Center located in Manhattan they offer the DMS program, has anyone heard of this facility, and if so what have you heard? If you were a student how was your experience? Please any information/input would be helpful.

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NHS0782 in Portland, Oregon

14 months ago

A.cen in Brooklyn, New York said: Hi everyone, i''m interested in Ultrasound I looked into New York Medical Career Training Center located in Manhattan they offer the DMS program, has anyone heard of this facility, and if so what have you heard? If you were a student how was your experience? Please any information/input would be helpful.

Hi everyone. I was a cardiologist and cardiac sonographer outside US. I live in Oregon. I just recieved my MD conformation papaers. I'm planning to take ARDMS SPI and AE exams. Can anybody tell me please, do I need only ARDMS registered sonographer's letter and CV and how can I find a sponsoring sonographer if there wasn't any ARDMS registered sonographer in my country? I really need an advice. I would appreciate any help.
My email is nellykHS@gmail.com.
Thank you.

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Rkn in Knoxville, Tennessee

13 months ago

Ha, don't listen to these scumbags ^! If you need a loan to go to u/s school, don't do it. Dr. jaqoof is at all these schools wanting your cash cause it pays their bills. Ultrasound isn't a job you can come out with a fulltime job in most areas of the country. Don't waste money you don't have.

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lastewart in Porterville, California

12 months ago

I'm curious is a diploma the same as a associates in sonography? Thank you for your time.

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Hiral in Houston, Texas

12 months ago

I am moving in NY with in few months and willing to attend nymh school for sonography. I need help with the enterance exam evaluation ? Is it hard ? And how many students they take each time ? How likely my chances are to get in ? How is the interview ?
Thank you it's a big help
I appreciate this help

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jmr1818 in Cortland, New York

8 months ago

hi i am soooo confused on what the right choice for me is. I currently have a bachelors degree and im looking to go into sonography. I am torn between the American institute in Clifton NJ or the Eastwick Ramsey campus. The American institute is not accredited by CAAHEP but i read numerous places that where you get your education is not that big of a deal its more so passing the ARDMS, which you are able to sit for right after completion of the program and they place you for your externship. Eastwick is accredited by CAAHEP but also is a very different program in the sense that American Institute is hybrid. If someone can help me in anyway that would be great !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Karry in Massachusetts

8 months ago

jmr1818 in Cortland, New York said: hi i am soooo confused on what the right choice for me is. I currently have a bachelors degree and im looking to go into sonography. I am torn between the American institute in Clifton NJ or the Eastwick Ramsey campus. The American institute is not accredited by CAAHEP but i read numerous places that where you get your education is not that big of a deal its more so passing the ARDMS, which you are able to sit for right after completion of the program and they place you for your externship. Eastwick is accredited by CAAHEP but also is a very different program in the sense that American Institute is hybrid. If someone can help me in anyway that would be great !!!!!!!!!!!!

Call local hospitals and ask their opionions. Who do they hire from? Sonography isnt something you learn online! It takes a lot of practice. What are the clinial hours for each school? In order to take ardms you need a certain number of hours. Yes you can take it bc their is a loophole with having your bachelors so crappy schools that cost alot promise you the world and then you will find you cannot get a job bc you dont have adequate training with being a caheep school with strict regulations. I have read thousands of posts about non acredited programs and how they wish they hadnt gone the easy way.

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xboxer in Scottsdale, Arizona

8 months ago

The job market is saturated. It's just NOT morally conscionable to say that it's all about educational accreditation.
People are not getting jobs, accredited school or not, because there are too many people in and going into this field.

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Catho in Montclair, New Jersey

7 months ago

My concern with ARDMS is everyone has to fit into these criteria for the CV form. I'm an accredited sonographer in Australia and moved to the U.S. I've passed my SPI exam but having trouble with the CV form to sit AE exam. I clearly have clinical experience just from another country. I don't know any ARDMS sonographer here to sign the form. So does that mean that's it for me? Where i come from we don't have all these extra schools with no accrediation. There are only two ways to become a sonographer and both difficult and involve many clinical hours and here's the thing: require you are employed in the field while studying. So does anyone know how i can get round this CV form or get an AE ARDMS sonographer?

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Hobo2012 in California

7 months ago

Maybe get a job as ultrasound tech then have a coworker sign you

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nkhan in Etobicoke, Ontario

7 months ago

Can I get job after passing ardms physics and gyne and obs. anybody can guide me.

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nkhan in Etobicoke, Ontario

7 months ago

How to get job after passing ardms physics and gyn and obs. Need guidance.

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Hobo2012 in California

6 months ago

nkhan in Etobicoke, Ontario said: How to get job after passing ardms physics and gyn and obs. Need guidance.

You can apply to job postings online. You can call and speak with the ultrasound lead or imaging director. You can network with friends, classmates, and family. You can visit sites in person and introduce yourself.

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Susan in Fresno, California

6 months ago

Marlene in Selma, Ca in Parlier, California said: Does anyone in the Fresno area know any hospital or imaging center that is currently accepting ultrasound externs? I have tried contacting several facilities but I have not had any luck. Please advise me if anyone has any tips or suggestions. Thanks!

What schooling did you go to for Ultrasound? I'm interested in that field too and i know that Community Medical Center has a program but only accept very few into the program. Gurnick Academy has an AS in Ultrasound program but double in tuition and they are not CAAHEP and not ARDMS only ARRT certified. I'm worried that it will be impossible to find a job after graduation.

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Laura in Nyack, New York

5 months ago

I'm looking to change careers to be an ultrasound tech. I want to do it the right way, but I've been reading a lot of info and it's just plain confusing as to what to do, CAAHEP, ARDMS, ARRT. I live in Rockland county, NY and I'm wondering if anyone knows any schools near me that has this certification/degree. Oh and that's another thing, is it better to be certified or get an associates? Those who are in the field a long time. I want to know if this is worth going into, like pay wise, school cost wise, if I'll get a job and maintain job security over time. Any tips or info would be great. laura.vaisman@gmail.com Thank you.

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tcnewyork in New york, New York

2 months ago

Hi, does anyone know anything about CURE, school of ultrasound in white Plains?

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volunteer26 in Patchogue, New York

2 months ago

tcnewyork in New york, New York said: Hi, does anyone know anything about CURE, school of ultrasound in white Plains?

I have been an ultrasound model at CURE many times over the last few years. I do not really know of their success rate and other matters you probably want to know. I just know that since they moved their location, I have been ignored the past 5 times I have called to volunteer to be scanned by the students. Perhaps they are solely using the hospital now for scanning patients. I only know they take my offer and number and say they will let me know, but never do call back now. I am not calling again to volunteer there since it appears my offers to volunteer are no longer wanted and am tired of being told they will call to let me know, only to never do so. They did seem very cordial in the past though. The students always seemed to benefit from my volunteering and expressed their appreciation. If you do go there, best of luck.

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