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Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida

35 months ago

thanks. I found three schools near me with the program, one of which is Stanford-Brown and I think the most expensive. Keiser Univ sent me some information, so am considering them- but they are only a few thousand less expensive than SB. I also contacted Palm Beach Community College and they offer the program, so I am going to an information session with them. I still have to take Physics, so am in the process of registering for that at community- just to get it out of the way. DOes anyone know what the entry level hourly rate is? All the hospitals I look at don't offer a payscale, so not sure what I can ask for?

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Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey

35 months ago

Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida said: thanks. I found three schools near me with the program, one of which is Stanford-Brown and I think the most expensive. Keiser Univ sent me some information, so am considering them- but they are only a few thousand less expensive than SB. I also contacted Palm Beach Community College and they offer the program, so I am going to an information session with them. I still have to take Physics, so am in the process of registering for that at community- just to get it out of the way. DOes anyone know what the entry level hourly rate is? All the hospitals I look at don't offer a payscale, so not sure what I can ask for?

My guess starting would be about 30. But honestly, I would worry more about finding a job then how much you would make because it seems as though sonographers do rather decently.

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Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida

35 months ago

true..but it would be nice to know what to negotiate for whne applying for jobs and what to expect to make, expecially with student loan looming over my head. I have checked all of the local ads and it seems there are numerous jobs at this time- not sure what it will be like in a year. thanks.

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Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida

35 months ago

K in Atlanta, Georgia said: Absolutely.......There ARE jobs in Ultrasound!!!!! I am CCI Registered in Cardiovascular and had NO PROBLEM finding employment. CCI is also an international registry, where ARDMS is NOT. You will have NO PROBLEM FINDING EMPLOYMENT with a CCI registry! I am making $79K with my CCI Registry. I took and passed my Science, Physics and Math portion of the CCI registry during my second month of externship. Then, 6 weeks after completing my externship, I took the Echo portion of the exam and passed!! I work a 3 day, 12 hour shift. Not so bad for a new grad. I am now studying for my vascular registry and am also taking courses in conversational Spanish. I know having the additional registry and being bi-lingual will dramatically increase my income and employment opportunities. BEST WISHES!!

What was your educational background prior to completing the program? Did you already have a Bachelor's degree? If so, in what field? Where did you complete your ultrasound training (was it a certificate program, or AS degree)...sorry for all the questions,,just trying to get informed...Wanting a career change..I have always wanted to work in the medical field...and after having my baby last year- I knew that I wanted to go into ultrasound...but some of these advertisements on what you will be earning, seem too good to be true. I don't want to risk giving up a good paying job (which I don't like)..to take a job where financially I will be miserable.

Also--all the CCI exams you passed--was all of these areas of specialities covered in your externships--did you get real hand knowledge?

thanks so much and congratulations on your success.

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Karry in Lenoir, North Carolina

35 months ago

Maybe start a new thread. I think fl is on a lower pay scale. I had a friend who did cardiac there who said it was low. On salary.com it says the median income is 60k and low is 50k. The schools you mentioned are putting out a lot of students a year which saturates the field.

I'd go wit a communitycollege. They seem to bemore respected than others.

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Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey

35 months ago

Can someone explain the difference between CCI and ARDMS? To become registered in cardio, which one are you supposed to take?

Also, to Marino: I am in the same exact boat as you. I am changing careers after teaching for about 8 years. There has been no job security for me what-so-ever in the teaching profession for me and I'm tired of constantly having to look for a new job every 1 to 3 years. Besides, I've had my fill of bratty kids who could care less about learning. I have no experience in the medical field and have no science background, but sonography just seems like such a rewarding, fulfulling career without the stresses of nursing. I'm concerned about the 180 degree change-up, but I was always a good student who studied hard so I think I'd do well.

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L Kelly in Lake Worth, Florida

35 months ago

Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida said: Hello. Anyone have any recommendations for schools near West Palm Beach / South Florida. I have read a lot of posts that say to stay away from Stanford-Brown. What about Keiser? I would hate to invest that much money and then not be able to find a job. Looking for a career change. I have a bachelor's degree, but not in anything medical/science. Is it my understanding that once you graduate, you must work for a year in order to sit for the ARDMS? Keiser was listed under the ARDMS website as an accredited school--but so was Stanford Brown? I don't want to waste my time or money in anything that will not lead to a job. Thanks for any help, suggestions.

Have you looked at Cambridge Institute of Allied Health in Delray Beach? Its super expensive but definitely accredited. I am leaning towards that since I dont have a bachelors and cant wait to get clinical

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Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida

35 months ago

I think I am going to go with Palm Beach College...they are accredited..and I've heard good things about them. Have you looked at them? They are WAYYY cheaper, accredited and you get lots of hand-ons experience....it is also a degree program, not just a certificate..I'm just worried about the job outlook for this career...I keep seeing posts saying that there are NO jobs out there..especially for a new graduate..and I can't move to another city/state for a job... it seems all these schools are flooding the market..making it harder to get the experience for the better jobs! Good Luck..

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L Kelly in Lake Worth, Florida

35 months ago

I know its way expensive but its close and I am probably one of the oldest students to apply. I will get an Associates and I do have a few years as a rad tech in a hospital. Just wondering why Cambridge Institute is so much more expensive than others nearby

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Marino in West Palm Beach, Florida

35 months ago

IDK..they are a private institution..so I am assuming they can set there own tuition/program rates--and it seems to be about supply/demand..this is a "hot" field right now...so the price has probably doubled...All the luck to you..

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eddie in Sterling, Virginia

35 months ago

I agree. Makes sense but be cautious.
Eddie from www.albanyclubs.com

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johnny in Sterling, Virginia

35 months ago

Yopu need your ARDMS!! No other option. In the past, you could have gotten away from not having it,. but not now. Good Luck.
johnny from www.wheretogetmoney.com

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johnny in Sterling, Virginia

35 months ago

You need your ARDMS!! No other option. In the past, you could have gotten away from not having it,. but not now. Good Luck to you.

johnny from www.wheretogetmoney.com

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Sally in Asheville, North Carolina

35 months ago

Starting the Sonography program on wednesday it is CAAHEP accredited should be an adventure. Total cost for the program $5,000 including books, scrubs, and credits an additional $800 at the end for the 4 $200 ardms certification tests. Don't waste your money on a school that isn't accredited might as well flush it down the toilet. If you're not smart enough to get into an accredited program you can spend $30,000 have a supposed "degree" and still not find a job. I will never be a painter because I suck at art. If you cant score high enough on the TEAS test perhaps math and science aren't your forte nothing wrong with that. Do we really want sub-par techs? The standards are there for a reason I personally thought the teas was a joke basic algebra come on.

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stuart in Sterling, Virginia

35 months ago

agreed. make sense. thanks for the info

jacob,
www.albanyclubs.com

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Morgan in Athens, Georgia

35 months ago

Can anybody tell me how hard to get job in the field, if you have CCI and not ARDMS?? Also, is there any steps that could be taken to earn ARDMS??? Thanks for any tips;0)

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gil in Wilmington, North Carolina

35 months ago

i think you can take the ardms if you are cci certified. go to the ardms and there is a place you can check for qualifications for ardms.

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Pamela in East Elmhurst, New York

35 months ago

James in Los Angeles, California said: Well, it's been about 5 months now since I finish my externship and all I am able to get is crappy per-diem jobs working for cheap doctors and imaging clinics. And believe me I have fax my resume and made calls to about 100 different facility,clinics, and hospitals. Right now, I am getting only about 15 hours of work a week since these cheap doctors and clinics can't afford to hire a full time tech. At the rate I am going it will take me close to 3 years to be eligible to sit for my ARDMS. I talk to them and they told me I have to document a full 1680 hours of work as an ultrasound tech, since the school I went to is not accredited and also because I don't have my bachelors. Don't let these fraudgelent schools fool you with the old "You just have to work a year first then you can sit for your ARDMS" prep talk to get you to enroll in their school because, NO HOSPITAL WILL HIRE YOU OR EVEN LOOK AT YOUR RESUME WITHOUT YOUR ARDMS!! Maybe 3 or 4 years ago it was different and you can get jobs in hospital without your ARDMS but times have change and pretty much every hospital I talk to requires it. Funny how the school never mention anything about this. Hope this helps someone before they get into the dilemma that I am in:(

Thank you! I was just looking into taking the course.

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Morgan in Athens, Georgia

35 months ago

Pamela in East Elmhurst, New York said: Thank you! I was just looking into taking the course.

I am looking also, do you have any tips?

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M.Cowan,MBA,RT,RDMS,RVT,RDCS in Houston, Texas

35 months ago

Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey said: I was going back and forth through email with the 'national admissions specialist' for the American Institute in Clifton, NJ. Through a serious of emails, this is what he said and I was hoping you or someone else on this board can tell me if you think it's legit or not:

"We are an accredited school it’s just that we are set up and accredited for students that have a higher education, Bachelors Masters or Doctorate so we conform to a higher set if rules set up by the ARDMS. The ARDMS is the board that licenses every sonographer in the US. Our Curriculum is approved to be accelerated for these type of students; and yes you absolutely sit for both ARDMS exams- first is your SPI and then your registry. The ACICS is our Accreditation body."

"Health care is the best field to get into especially sonography, its growth rate is the highest of all the heath care fields in the US; and that is largely due to the fact that you have to now be registered to practice and if you not you will lose your job."

"Yes our student do find jobs in fact we have around a 89 % placement rate. Granted we only take a hand full at a time in order to be successful"

"And no CAAHEP is not the almighty end all be all.( It is if you do not have a higher degree though)!!"

"Attached are the ARDMS Pre Req’s taken from their Web Site that states what we must give you in order for you to take their exams. I think you are under 3B"

"Just for you knowledge two of our school are CAAHEP ACC and NJ is in the process; but we do not need to be to have our students sit for the exams. Just call and ask the ARDMS. :)"

And that is what he said....grammatical errors and all. Should I even be considering this school???

Typical "admissions rep". It is amazing that those schools who do not have CAAHEP accreditation preach about how unimportant CAAHEP accreditation is. Do you think there is an alternative agenda here?

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M.Cowan,MBA,RT,RDMS,RVT,RDCS in Houston, Texas

35 months ago

Cont,

This rep stated that their accreditation body ACICS and that CAAHEP accreditation is not the all might end all be all. So once again allow me to explain. All you adnissions reps take notes.

1. ACICS, ABHES, etc... are INSTUTIONAL accreditors. They accredit the school a whole not the ultrasound program. Institutional accreditors are NOT recognised by the Dept. of Ed, and CHEA as programmatic accreditors for ultrasound education.

2. CAAHEP is a PROGRAMMATIC accreditor. They accredit the ultrasound program but not the school. In order for a program to earn CAAHEP accreditation they must prove through an exhaustive self-study, site visit, and benched marked outcomes assesments that they are in compliance with a litney of standards and guidelines and meet the standard of quality set forth by industry. It is very difficult, I know I have done it.

Earning CAAHEP accreditation can take years. Most career schools could never earn CAAHEP because the quality of education is not there. Yes it is true that under varius ARDMS prereqs such as 3A you can attend non-accredited program and still sit for the registry,,,,,,but there is more to consider than just registry eligibility.

You see, many career school (proprietary schools, private schools, etc...)graduates are discriminated against. Why? Because of the school they attended. It does not take long for a school gain the repuation of 'one of those schools'. And the graduates suffer. In the past a RDMS registry and a little experience was all a person needed. BUT NOW...we are seeing accreditation requirements being written in the job description. In other words,many employers will not even look at you unless you graduate from an accredited program.

So now the industry is beginning to dictate the standards, not the schools and graduate. This is an evolutionary process and quite frankly it has been a long time coming. Ultrasound has suffered a historical lack of professionalism.

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M.Cowan,MBA,RT,RDMS,RVT,RDCS in Houston, Texas

35 months ago

Cont,

Consider this; you need a license to do nails or cut hair, but there is no regulatory legistaion that requires anything for ultrasound (except in 2 states). Imagine a doctor, nurse, lawyer, rad-tech, etc...being able to practice with out any regualtory oversite or licensing requirments. This is the ultrasound profession. Who do you want scanning your parent, spouse, or child? Currently any tom, dick, or harry off the street can and there is no mechanism in place to stop them.

This is why we are now seeing the fascilities themselves police the profession.

Bottom line: Ultrasound is a highly difficult hand-eye skill set to learn. It takes 1000s of hours of practice to master. If you want to be in the profession, you owe it to the profession to earn your way in by doing it right. If you don't have the grades and academic background to get into a CAAHEP program, then you need to go back get it. Otherwise you are gambleing your time and money on long shot that may never work out. The country is full of un-accredited graduates who have never worked in the field and will never work in the field.

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Lisa in Erie, Pennsylvania

35 months ago

GREAT LAKES INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY in ERIE, PA is accredited by CAAHEP Does anyone have input about this program??

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Morgan in Athens, Georgia

35 months ago

Hello M.Cowan, it's sounds like you know a lot about subject, please can you tell me about CCI, and what could be done after you certified by them, to earn RDMS??? Thank you, Morgan.

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boggles in Orlando, Florida

35 months ago

He's right. I just graduated from the American Institute in Orlando and was required to have a Bachelors Degree in order for admission. It is a highly accelerated program. I sat for ARDMS SPI last week and passed my first try. Actually I think I may be one of the few who have not taken and passed their specialty as well. 3 of the students already have passed the cardiac registry - 2 of 3 students have also passed their ARDMS vascular boards. The reason they are not yet accredited by CAAHEP is because there are certain guidelines- you have to have been opened 2-3 years. My class was the 2nd to start, so it won't be long especially with the statistics and high percentage of students pass their boards. In fact, they encourage everyone to take the SPI after they finish U/S Physics semesters before you even graduate. You can sit for your specialty the day after you graduate with a Bachelors of Science in DMS.

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boggles in Orlando, Florida

35 months ago

By the way, I did verify that before I enrolled and found where it stated that with a bachelor degree, you were able to sit for the boards right away (if you graduated, of course). Go the ARDMS website, or even call. They will confirm. Trust me that was my concern too. : )

The teacher are fabulous- Most all have 20+ years and hold Masters, some even Doctorate degrees.

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boggles in Orlando, Florida

35 months ago

M.Cowan,MBA,RT,RDMS,RVT,RDCS in Houston, Texas said: Typical "admissions rep". It is amazing that those schools who do not have CAAHEP accreditation preach about how unimportant CAAHEP accreditation is. Do you think there is an alternative agenda here?

Sorry, he is right. I just graduated from American Institute and although I just took and passed my SPI, there are 3 others in my class that have past their specialty (cardiac) and 2 of them just passed their Vascular as well. I was concerned as well, especially since I was the 2nd class to start. The teachers all love what they do, most have the Masters and some have Doctorate Degrees. I don't blame anyone for being concerned, if you can't find it on The ARDMS site- it's there- just call ARDMS and they will confirm.

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boggles in Orlando, Florida

35 months ago

Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey said: I was going back and forth through email with the 'national admissions specialist' for the American Institute in Clifton, NJ. Through a serious of emails, this is what he said and I was hoping you or someone else on this board can tell me if you think it's legit or not:
And that is what he said....grammatical errors and all. Should I even be considering this school???

He's right. I just graduated from the American Institute in Orlando and was required to have a Bachelors Degree in order for admission. It is a highly accelerated program. I sat for ARDMS SPI last week and passed my first try. Actually I think I may be one of the few who have not taken and passed their specialty as well. 3 of the students already have passed the cardiac registry - 2 of 3 students have also passed their ARDMS vascular boards shortly thereafter. The reason they are not yet accredited by CAAHEP is because there are certain guidelines- one being that the school has been operating for 2 or 3 years along with percentages of students graduating and passing their registries. My class was the 2nd to start, so it won't be long especially with the statistics and high percentage of students passing the boards. In fact, they encourage everyone to take the SPI after they finish U/S Physics semesters before you even graduate. You can sit for your specialty the day after you graduate with a Bachelors of Science in DMS. By the way, I did verify that before I enrolled and found where it stated that with a bachelor degree, you were able to sit for the boards right away (if you graduated, of course). Go the ARDMS website, or even call. They will confirm. Trust me that was my concern too. : )
The teacher are fabulous- Most all have 20+ years and hold Masters, some even Doctorate degrees. And they stay in contact with you just as often as when you were in school.

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Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey

35 months ago

boggles in Orlando, Florida said: By the way, I did verify that before I enrolled and found where it stated that with a bachelor degree, you were able to sit for the boards right away (if you graduated, of course). Go the ARDMS website, or even call. They will confirm. Trust me that was my concern too. : )

The teacher are fabulous- Most all have 20+ years and hold Masters, some even Doctorate degrees.

Thanks boggles. I decided against the school because I feel I would benefit more from being in the classroom then online learning.

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f1963 in Hollywood, Florida

35 months ago

anybody knows anything about Dade Medical College, Hollywood FL???

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Diane in Tonawanda, New York

35 months ago

kate421 in new york said: Can someone tell me any experience they have had with Institute of Allied Medical Professions in ny & queens?

any input would be great

Keep looking on the internet...there are schools!! Try to stay away from those private colleges where you just get a certificate. I did that in FL and I am in WNY now and the jobs are there but I do have to take my ARDMS. It has been quite some time so I would like a refresher course. Some hospitals offer them for free, and if you go through the whole course you will end up doing your internship which is working 40 hrs a week for 6 months for free. So go for it. You will save yourself a lot of money. Best of luck!!!

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Diane in Tonawanda, New York

35 months ago

kathy in West Palm Beach, Florida said: Can anyone suggest an accredited school in Palm Beach County? Any suggestions on financing options?

I went to Ultrasound Diagnostic School. They did move it and changed the name. It was in Lauderdale Lakes, FL. It was about a 30min ride on TP. You will have to look up Ultrasound Diagnostic School and see what it was changed too. Other than that, there was a school right on Hypoluxo near Jog. It wasn't accredited years ago, but they were changing. I know a few people that went there that are doing very well working at Doctor's Offices, JFK, and Palm's West.

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L Kelly in Lake Worth, Florida

35 months ago

I am looking into Cambridge Institute of Allied Health in Delray Beach. Super expensive but is on the CAAHEP site as accredited.

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Christine in San Diego, California

35 months ago

I'm looking for a school to go to in Phoenix, Az. I still have to finish my degree but I'm wondering about a good school that I can look into for when I am done. What is the best Bachelor degree to have before going to an Ultrasound school? Or can you just go into the school with no degree?

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Karry in Lenoir, North Carolina

35 months ago

You usually need a few sciences courses! No BA needed unless you go to an expensive un accredited school.

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martha in Riverside, California

35 months ago

can somebody tell me which community colleges offer ultrasound tech as a career in the south of ca. I lived in Riverside ca.

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rachel in Manchester, Connecticut

35 months ago

Does anyone know of any schools in mass or ct tht i can get a degree for ultrasound tech? with the CAAHEP certification.

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ultraman527 in Bangor, Maine

35 months ago

There is a CAAHEP accredited ultrasound school in Fairfield Maine.
It is at Kennebec Valley community college. Excellent school.

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Andrea Garcia in Garden Grove, California

35 months ago

hi! i was thinking to go to ATI here in california in the santa ana. And on there website it told me i get 1725hrs.. knowing i need 1600 so is this still a bad choice??

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f1963 in Hollywood, Florida

35 months ago

Have anybody attend Sanford Brown in Florida(Fort Lauderdale)lately?? They are accredited now,
any comments about this school??

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Brahmy in Brooklyn, New York

35 months ago

SANFORD BROWN INSTITUTE IN NY IS #1 FOR ULTRASOUND!!!!!!! CAHEEP RECOGNIZED AND THEY ALSO HAVE A PLACEMENT SERVICE. EVERYONE WHO GRADUATED FROM THERE IS EMPLOYED.
NYU CLOSED!!!!!!!

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Valerie in Westfield, New Jersey

35 months ago

I'm planning on going to Sanford Brown in Iselin, NJ. I hear mixed things about different Sanford Browns across the country, but nothing ever bad about the one by me, which is CAAHEP accredited. If anyone knows anything about this school, please let me know!

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Jersey Girl in South Plainfield, New Jersey

35 months ago

Valerie, I made a post a while ago about my experience with Sanford Brown in Iselin. Even though the program is accredited I decided it was not the right option for me. I have met so many people who have gone there and ended up dropping out because of the terrible program and being stuck with a tuition bill of over $35,000 for an "ultrasound certificate factory". You do not get any actual college credit which means if you do not like the school you cannot transfer those credits anywhere they virtually are meaningless. As soon as I walked in to meet with a school guide there were former students in the office screaming at the school officials that the school was a scam and they wanted their money back, and sanford brown security had to escort them out. I did not even have to show any proof of my past academics before I was accepted to the school (they just gave me a tour and then told me I was accepted), which is a red flag. Clearly this school only wants your money and does not care about the quality of students or faculty. I spoke to some students who were on lunch break and most of them said the same thing, they have new teachers every few months because they usually quit after a while, and the faculty does not really help you as far as finding proper externship sites. One girl said they had no site to place her so she was not getting her proper scanning amount hours. Just because a program or school is accredited does NOT mean that its a reputable school. Go to rip-off report.com and type in sanford brown in iselin and you can see what comes up. Hope that helps. I ended up applying to and getting accepted to JFK Muhlenberg School of Imaging in Plainfield. Its an accredited program with a partnership through Union County College so not only do you graduate with a certificate in Ultrasound and are eligible to sit for the ardms right away but you also graduate with an associates degree in science through UCC, so its actual college credits.

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rachel in Manchester, Connecticut

35 months ago

Can anyone tell me about their time at the Sanford Brown in Farmington? I'm thinking about attending.

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M.Cowan, MBA, RT, RDMS, RVT, RDCS in Houston, Texas

35 months ago

Morgan in Athens, Georgia said: Hello M.Cowan, it's sounds like you know a lot about subject, please can you tell me about CCI, and what could be done after you certified by them, to earn RDMS??? Thank you, Morgan.

CCI is a legit credentialing organisation that registers sonographers in vascular and echo. Through the recent reciprocity pre-reqs at the ARDMS, a person who holds a CCI registry can sit for a ARDMS equivalent registry. CCI is a wonderful organization they just do not have the noteriety of the ARDMS but I have watched them grow over the years and they are good.

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stacy in Waterloo, Iowa

35 months ago

any schools in ky online

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Candice in Hacienda Heights, California

35 months ago

Hi, my name is Candice, in need of some help, please! What about Newbridge college? This is the one i am considering?

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HG in Happy Valley, Oregon

35 months ago

Ben in Los Angeles, California said: Is this even after applying Footnote#3 for Prequsitite 3A?

Look on page 11 under "Notes about the Prequisites"

Note #3says:
"Clinical ultrasound/vascular experience may be obtained one two ways (1)being employed as a full-time ultrasound /vascular sonographer in a clinical setting for 12 months or (2)successfully completing a formal,full-time ultrasound program that is a mininum of 12 months in lengths and includes appropriate clinical and didactic hours. "

I though that fulfilled the Experience requirement for prerequisite 3A. I could be wrong,though.

Hi, just have a question.... can I sit for the CCI exam after going to a non-caahep accredited cardiovascular sonography school? When I checked out the website for CCI it didn't mention the program having to be accredited by caahep. CCI specified programs accredited by ACICS, CHEA, and DOE or US Department of Education. Plus the program had to include 800 clinical hours.

thanks! any info will help, just trying to gather information. I live in oregon and my options are limited for sonography programs

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gil in Wilmington, North Carolina

35 months ago

HG in Happy Valley, Oregon said: Hi, just have a question.... can I sit for the CCI exam after going to a non-caahep accredited cardiovascular sonography school? When I checked out the website for CCI it didn't mention the program having to be accredited by caahep. CCI specified programs accredited by ACICS, CHEA, and DOE or US Department of Education. Plus the program had to include 800 clinical hours.

thanks! any info will help, just trying to gather information. I live in oregon and my options are limited for sonography programs

yes, you can take the cci when your school is unaccredited.

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Jay in Rancho Santa Margarita, California

35 months ago

Candice in Hacienda Heights, California said: Hi, my name is Candice, in need of some help, please! What about Newbridge college? This is the one i am considering?

Candice....do your research before committing to any college. If you do, I'm fairly certain you'll pick a different school, as the "graduates" of this particular institution are generally somewhat clueless when on their externships, and quite often are incapable of successfully doing most basic ultrasound scans without assistance.
Your money deserves to be spent where you'll actually be in a position of securing a meaningful job after graduation, and that will not occur if you stay on your current path. :)

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