Getting a vocational rehabilitation counselor job.

Hi Dawn: much congratulations to you for your great accomplishments academically.

I am half way through the Assumption College vocational rehab counseling program. I am leaning more towards becoming a professional college counselor where there is a great need there for multidiverse students.

I think you could speak to a Director of the rehab programs that interest you and perhaps you could transfer your skills into various avenues that interest you.

Also, if you are at all interested in working for the federal gov't they are hiring vocational rehab counselors and social workers all over the nation. They pay extremely well, and you would be helping returning men and women veterans and their families in many ways. Talk to Human Resource people too, and look into the colleges in career counseling also.

Of course if you want to make money (over 45K) you should find out if you can get certified as a counselor. The CRC exam is the way to go. It is a 300 multiple choice test and the score to pass is around 70. You could study for it before you take it. But, look at your high interests first. Write down your strengths, likes and dislikes first. You'll see a clearer picture that can bring you to where you want to go.

Some times it is better to do something in an area that you like, and worry about making the high dollars secondly.

If there's anything else I can tell you, just write again. chow---rose

Host said: How did you get your start doing vocational rehabilitation counselor work, and what career moves did you make to get to your current position?

Do you need a particular educational background?

I am not a masters grad yet, but---you can look at the VA hospitals out-patient clinics who hire voc rehab counselors and they pay them handsomely. You could also talk to colleges where they have career counselors and you could also work with disabled students to help them...speak to people already in that area of work to see what interests you, or not.

You can take the CRC exam, but should study first for it...I hear it is a 300 multiple choice questionnaire. You have to pay for it, and they will give you all the facts. Just go online and research it.

Also, you could look at hospitals or other schools like high schools or middle schools that look for good counselors. They do a mix of testing kids, and counsel and work with teachers and parents to help children who may be having problems in school.

You can do lots with a background in counseling, but the CRC certification will qualify you to get better jobs, and you could also find out about starting your own private practice.

Right now I hear helping people who suffer from depression with "talk therapy" is a big area where people need good counselors.

Talk to other professionals in the fields you are interested in. A good 4yr college career counseling dept. is a great place to start. Make an appt. with the Director and you might be pleasantly surprised at what you learn. The best of luck to you...rose

Donna in Brandon, Florida said: I started as a vocational rehab counselor with a BS degree but soon realized I needed to go back to school. I earned a MA in Rehabilitation and Mental Health Counseling and became nationally certified in Rehabilitation Counseling (CRC). I learned you can do the job with a BS but you become true to your consumers when you earn your MA in rehab counseling.............

Was the test very difficult? The CRC is a test I plan to study for this yr, and sit for and hopefully pass next yr. If you can give me any pointers, or info on taking the test--I'd be grateful. Also, the VA hospitals (out-patient and in-patient) is hiring now for vocational rehab counselors. They also pay extremely big salaries, and give raises periodically with lots of benefits and vacation time. Check it out if you haven't already. You can also go into private practice part-time or full-time if you like this. Thanks...rose

Lorraine (not my real name) in Saint Augustine, Florida said: I am struggling to find a public sector job in Florida. I wish I knew your secret. I have a Masters in Rehabilitation Counseling, I'm a CRC, and I'm a QRP. I tried a job in the private sector (since that's where I did my internship) and discovered it wasn't the right place for me. I am in IARP so all of my contacts pretty much are in the private sector. I did a week of observation at a DVR. Everyone keeps telling me that I don't have enough experience. Do you have any tips for me?

Why not make an appointment and speak to a Director of career counseling. You shouldn't give up your dreams, and some times negative remarks bring you into a better direction.

You have what it takes. I have found that speaking with the Director of a college career counseling dept. helped me to decide where I want to work later. The pay may also be nice, and the atmosphere is wonderful. Maybe you will eventually become an assistant director or the director. Keep talking to successful counselors and if you are a female, talk to some professional female counselors and you may learn a lot more than listening to negative, small minded people who try to discourage, rather than encourage you....best of luck to you...rose

Palmetto CDF in South Carolina said: What would your advice be to a client in your situation? If you had someone who completed training and was looking for a job in their field what steps would you suggest?
Look at your situation through different eyes and make a plan.

The VA Hospitals are looking for qualified rehab counselors. You could also talk to a Director at colleges in the career counseling depts. They have assistants and there is lots of room for growth---especially in multidiverse student populations. Speak to successful female and male professionals who do counseling, resume writing helpers, or something in that area.

If you want to help vets, go to the H.R. dept. at your nearby VA Hospital and see what the requirements are to get interviewed. IF you don't want to go that route, and education appeals to you, then look at middle, high schools, and tech schools that have counselors. Just keeping plugging...soon enough, you will find your opening. It is always a positive mind that will get you to where you want to go....good luck...rose

Lorraine (not my real name) in Saint Augustine, Florida said: It depends on where you live. Where I live, people without a Masters Degree get the jobs all the time IF they have more WORK EXPERIENCE than those with the degree. If you have any questions, email me. Lorraine_us@yahoo.com

Some times you just have to find professionals who are established, who like and know you...Re-do your resume and put down things you have done in Practicums, or internships...and figure out how many months or years of life experience you have too.

Work with a college career center. Many are free to help you. It sounds like you have to learn just how to be more creative in the world of job hunting.

Don't put down anything negative...look at what people can see you have to offer...See if you have transferable skills, if you know there is something you experienced that you overcame, and put on a big smile, be confident, and be positive---NO MATTER WHAT. The first place I think you should start is either talk to a librarian who might be able to help you rewrite you resume, or go straight to the career counseling office at a local college. Make an appt. to speak with the Director and see if they can share anything that can help you.

You have to start thinking outside the safe, secure box, and be more saavy when it comes to interviewing. They want someone who is nice, but has good business sense, someone who can work with little supervision, but gets along great with a team...and if you speak Spanish, or another language---make sure you high light this. Do not focus on any negative thinking...change the way you see yourself---you have a whole lot of experience...you survived this far ---right! Go get em champ.

jarman in Goldsboro, North Carolina said: With your eduational background along you would be able to secure employment with DVRS in the state of NC, the money is not great, but the this state is short on qualified applicants, are you willing to relocate

The VA Hospitals are hiring throughout the country. They pay extremely well. Also, if that doesn't work...why not check out college career counseling offices. Make an appt. to see and speak to the Director of the operations there,and schools like high school, and two yr colleges are also hiring counselors. If you can earn certification you would qualify for more higher paying jobs. Some times we also have to think about relocating to other places if we want to launch our careers in this life time.

You could think also about speaking with other professionals in the field and get their ideas, feedback...you could also look for a mentor...Me---I am leaning more towards a college career center because there is a need for good counselors and you can take more classes tuition free there, and move up the ranks there too. Think outside the security and box you might be in right now---you have nothing to fear but your thoughts about failure...go for it...good luck

Joey M in Lynn, Massachusetts said: I was a CRC and worked at Eliot Community Human Services in Malden MA. After five months I ended my work there because the managers were dishonest about problems getting people in crisis help. As a voc rehab counselor you need to look out for the client but I couldn't do that at this job.

Did you ever think of applying to the VA Hospitals? They pay high, and they are now hiring all over the country...Go to their H.R. office and check it out online....You could also think of working for a college environment in their career counseling area, or a tech high school, regular high school, or middle school. Talk to the people who are doing the hiring first to see if you qualify, or if you'd even like it. The federal gov't pays the best...best of luck to you.

Thank you for your reply. I honestly don't know where to get started. By this I mean, if I will need any specialized training to be a vocational rehabilitation counselor & if so, how do I go about obtaining the necessary training.
I have an appointment scheduled to meet with a guidance counselor at the college where I obtained my bachelors degree & plan to ask them these questions too.

Thank you for your reply. These are all very good ideas. I have contemplated relocating, but want to exhaust all of my resources before I relocate.
I also have an appointment scheduled to meet with a guidance counselor from the college where I obtained my bachelors degree from & plan to ask these questions too.

Thank you for the good advice & suggestions.
Money is important (to live), however this is not my primary driving force. I think that a sense of peace, comfort & fulfillment is important. I honestly don't want to pursue any more degrees but am willing to obtain training (if necessary). I am in the process of meeting with a guidance counselor from the college where I obtained my bachelors degree, so that I can get some specific information about vocational rehabiliation counseling. Also, I searched the VA (Veterans Affairs) website & it appeared that more training/skills were necessary to obtain a position in this area.
I am willing to research all of my options. I am not getting any younger & want to grow but also have stability in my career choice(s).

Hi Dawn: thanks for writing me. You have so much to offer the world if you sit down and make a list of what you would be willing to do and what you don't wish to do. Although earning a great salary with medical benefits is always important, doing work you like, and love daily is the driving force that keeps people mentally well, and balanced.

I know my college has Vocational Rehab Counseling masters online now. If you want to learn more, just go to the Assumption College in Worcester, Massachusetts website and see if anything looks good. Salve Regina College in Newport, Rhode Island also has online graduate programs in that area as well.

The part-time evening program I am in meets once a week at a local community college nearby. And, the group is small (approximately 9 people attend) Many come from different backgrounds. I am currently interviewing for a case manager's position with homeless families in my city, but Spanish is always needed for the people served lately. Ironically, I don't speak any other language except bad American English (grin). I haven't given up on my job hunt. It is hard some times being a female in a man's world, but---you can also read the hit best seller---"What Color Is Your Parachute" I am currently reading again since the Director of the college career center I might be doing my 3month practicum at asked me to get it and read it. I start my practicum in August and it is 8hrs. a week. It is very, very hard for me to find work that will pay me what I use to make when I worked out in the field for the Veteran Services dept. out of Boston. I was making $17/hr plus .40 cents per mile. Many of my elder clients were either terminally ill, or were dying. The little money that the gov't gave them for a monthly pension (in my view) was humiliating. That is the part of work I disliked---the bureauracy often isn't fair.

If you keep plugging, you can work for now and gain more experience working with students, or families.

Thank you for your reply. I have many things to take into account (not only pay), but I want to find stability, fulfillment & growth in the next job/career path that I pursue.
I plan to meet with a guidance counselor soon at the college where I obtained my bachelors degree, to speak with someone to explore all of my options.

I have been studying rehab counseling through the University of Arkansas at Little Rock Program. Although I only have 2 courses completed, I think that there are a lot of opportunities out there if one is willing and desirous to think out of the box. I think that working for a team of physiatrists-MD's/DO's that specialize in physical medicine and rehabilitation-if you can get them to buy in and value the services of a CRC. Taking the extra mental health coursework to become an LPC where you can put out your shingle is another route. I personally have a masters in historic preservation and how I got interested in rehab counseling is that I wrote 2 papers on ADA and universal design. There is a credential called a certified environmental access consultant and an exam that one could take to work with contractors in assisting those with disabilities and the elderly to live independently in their own homes. There are CRC's that are heavily involved in Accessibility work esp. since the ADA regs are going revision right now---so says the Bush administration. Not to offend any Republicans but I am still from Missouri but it will happen since ADA does need some overhauling. I think that some of the Insurance companies have had rehab counseling oriented jobs specifically in disability management. Many of our school systems need CRC's to help with transitioning students from school to work esp. if they are not college bound or further academically oriented. Hope all of this provides food for thought.

July 19: when people earn a masters in vocational rehab counseling it can open other doors to you; especially at the college career resource level helping college students find matching careers they will love and that fits with their personality. You can work with the federal gov't if you want to do highly stressful work; but earn high salaries with good benefits. The most difficult part of applying to any VA hospital as a voc rehab counselor is you should also have a CRC (certification) and many do not want to go that route. You can work in elementary schools(they don't pay well)and high school or a 2yr college environment(pay depends on the area you live in like Maryland, D.C. pays high--cost of living there is high as well) N.Y. if you want to live in a crowded, noisey, and highly expensive place, or you can try Europe in agencies that are seeking qualified drug and alcohol addiction/abuse and treatment counselors. If you do this kind of counseling ---the sky is the limit-but, you should keep learning new information; earn extra credit for attending on-going workshops and free conferences. Its also a nice idea to network online with other people already working in those areas to find out if the job is right for your personality, stress and coping levels, and your stamina...put money second because---if you aren't happy doing the work you love;but earn high dollars--its almost like being a prostitute...(that's an extreme example of course) chow and the best of life to you all...rose

Gemma Gapud in Hunters Hill, Australia said: Do you require your Masters in VRC to be able to work as a VRC?
Or is a Bachelor Degree sufficient?

July 19: wow! all the way from across the planet. I am almost done with the masters program part-time during the evening/one night a week. I am still looking for work where I live until I can graduate, and perhaps search elsewhere to move to and work as a counselor.

I was a social worker (case mgr) a glorified counselor who gave sound advice to people who didn't have those skills; I encouraged people to return to school and go all the way to the top of their potential or get into a good trade school; but always to do what they loved doing; money is important, but it should be the driving force for what jobs you are seeking. Unless, like me--you'll take a temp job just to survive until you can graduate, and hopefull get hired at a higher-ranking position; and get paid well.

I live in Massachusetts; some 60 miles from Boston. Closer to what is called, "cape cod" it is nice enough; I am surrounded by different bodies of water-ocean, ponds, but---there is a high poverty population living here; and many people are drug/alcohol addicted. It is a huge drag to see once healthy; once good looking young men and women wasting away on alcohol and drugs. It is chasing the high, and always broke and getting no place. This just isn't the plan God almighty has for his loved ones---US.

Anyway; I dream of leaving this area (even though the planet is full of troubles) if I can just find a good job working at a college as a career counselor. That's where I decided to change my counseling interests because I just can't deal with a whole lot of drama and depression all the time...it drains the life out of a person.

I would like very much to meet an intelligent educated man that is looking for similar things I am searching for; peace, harmony and quiet in a nice rural area, but close to good hospitals.

Gemma Gapud in Hunters Hill, Australia said: Do you require your Masters in VRC to be able to work as a VRC?
Or is a Bachelor Degree sufficient?

Yes-in order to not waste your time or taking the easier route; while you are still young, you should get into a part-time, or full-time (on-line) program if you can. Assumption College in Worcester, Mass, and Salve Regina College in Newport, Rhode Island are now giving on-line MA degrees in that area. I've decided to use my degree (5 classes left to finish; plus the oral exam; and then take the CRC to be certified) to go into college career counseling. There is a good need for it, and you can get the training you will need to move up to Director of the program if you want that. You can work with veterans on the federal level; but I don't know all that much about Australia except that it is so very far away from the U.S.A. I hope you can find what you love doing first; then, the rest will follow. To be a qualified drug/alcohol treatment counselor; you should get training in that field (on-going) and also in mental illness(since so many people also have a dual diagnosis) there is a great need for qualified counselors. Besides, in the states, if you get certified you can go into private counseling practice and the earning power will be up to your creative self. Best of luck to you. rose

Donna in Brandon, Florida said: most places a BA is sufficient...... but if you want to do your consumers a favor.......earn your masters degree

Its not just doing the clients "a favor" that is the issue here...it is an ethical purpose why you will go on to keep training in the area of mental health and illness; and you will also be able to look at yourself in the mirror at night and know you did the best you can do to help people in need.

People need to be well-skilled, well-educated, and keep learning because you owe it to your client-base. You have people's lives in your hands

jarman in Goldsboro, North Carolina said: Does anyone have suggestions what you can do with your masters in RC besides working for VR...public or private...I want to get out of the numbers game, any thoughts.

Try going into college career counseling work. You could ask to volunteer to see if you are well matched in the area. To get certified in drug/alcohol abuse and treatment you should be well skilled, well educated in mental illness and substance abuse and treatment areas. This is also very stressful work.

Just see what you dream about doing. With a CRC you can be certified (you must have a couple of yrs of experience counseling--depending on the state laws) and then you can go into private practice. You could do volunteer work in places first to see if that is where you want to go. High school career counselors/guidance counselors may need other courses--you can ask the board in your state what their requirements are.

Look outside of your comfort zone. You might need to relocate. I hear Chesapeake, Virginia is a pretty area, has lots of veterans (male/female---single, young people); great colleges; or training schools ) and you might be able to find work, an affordable apt. and be near the ocean (right next door to Virginia Beach) and have a better quality of life.

Write down your dreams; just brain-storm...don't critize yourself...you may be surprised what you come out doing...

Best wishes;rose

Thank you Roase for your words onf encouragment. I ahve been workin with VR for public VR for 5 years. I am schedueld to take the CRC and graduate with my masters degree in RC this fall. I am excited about the opportunites to come. I am ready to get out of the numbers game, and I am interested in looking into other career options. I have lived in VA before and loved the Hampton Raods area, so I think I am hope to reloaction also. I am excitied about the things to come. Good luck to you also.

Lorraine (not my real name) in Saint Augustine, Florida said: What do you mean, independent counselor? Do you mean apply to be a counselor in private practice? I am confused.

I just got this sorry it is late. There are two types of RC's in NC. You have an RCI under the direct supervision for all casework. Then you have an independent RC you sign off for all of your casework on your own. This is the public sector not private. Right now I am a RC 1 my manger must sign and approve all of my casework before I present the information to a client. If I was independent or RC2 no one would have to receive my casework before I present it to a consumer, and if I made a mistake I would won that mistake all by myself. We still have RC open positions in NC we are short when it comes to qualified RC's...good luck to you again

I just got this sorry it is late. There are two types of RC's in NC. You have an RCI under the direct supervision for all casework. Then you have an independent RC you sign off for all of your casework on your own. This is the public sector not private. Right now I am a RC 1 my manger must sign and approve all of my casework before I present the information to a client. If I was independent or RC2 no one would have to receive my casework before I present it to a consumer, and if I made a mistake I would won that mistake all by myself. We still have RC open positions in NC we are short when it comes to qualified RC's...good luck to you again

Wednesday, July 30th:

thanks for your comment

Why confused? Independent could mean that you independently offer counseling services for a fee and you are of course certified by your state as a rehab, or career counselor that helps people.

thats about it.

This is not a negative criticism--just an observation by your nice response.

First of all congratulations on earning a masters degree--not everyone has the knowledge, or drive to get through grad school..it takes intelligence, perserverance, and drive to complete it.

The only thing I wanted to suggest to you (I have a BA in English)most of my professors have criticized some of the students in my group who continually misspell words.

Always check, and recheck spelling of English words. Most people figure, if you got through grad school, you must also be able to command the English Language if you live in the U.S. anyway.

Just use "spell-check" but it doesn't always work. (grin) Get a real good dictionary and take the time to recheck words you might have misspelled. Or, get someone who is a good speller, and have them read your stuff before you send it out.

This will be crucial to you if you expect to get hired as a professional RCounselor, or career counselor in a college or high school environment.

Best of luck to you. rose

I am not a VR Councilor but have worked with several state Councilors here in the GA Norcross area. I believe that I have experienced discrimination from my employer after revealing my disability when needing accommodation. It took my VR councilor 6 weeks to become involved with salvaging the employment opportunity, even with an open active case. After a job coach came to my work site to review facts, make an assessment, and prepare a report stating the employer commented" I am looking for a way to fire her without being sued" and " I don't believe she is visually impaired but intellectually impaired", I was told by my councilor if I were not trying to hide my disability that I would have told the employer in the interview. The report further indicated that the employer felt he had been tricked into hiring me.

Hi all,
I am a Certified Rehab. Counselor and have not been able to find a job in this field since 2005. I have extensive experience with case management and disabilites and 5 yrs experience with counseling in non for profit agencies. I did interview with a private company that handles workmans comp. cases, where I was told my skills have been under utilized. He was pretty much interested in my degree. In Chicago its really slim pickings for employment at the state or else where. I have been looking for a job since May; any resources or networking contacts that would be beneficial???

3 years??? What do you suppose the problem is? That is kind of depressing. Have you checked with the VA? And what about other state VR agencies. I am taking 2 Rehab Counseling courses this Fall...your story is not exactly reassuring-with all due respect. I think a lot of it has to do with the dismal economy in this country and all the downturns. I am optimistic that even if Mc Cain gets elected-more vets wil be coming home from Iraq and hence will need rehab services more than ever-even if jillions of troops are still there. But I still think that part of the problem might be competing with tons of MSW's but I feel our degree is tops when it comes to dealing with PWD's.

3 years to study part-time (2 3credit courses on-line now at Assumption College's grad program for social and human services)Rehab and vocational counseling training is the focus in disability. Earning a master's degree may not assure anyone if they will earn higher salaries and have job security, but having that degree will keep anyone competitive for other jobs in higher professional careers-especially in college career counseling which I am interested in pursuing. no matter who gets elected to the top job in D.C. the troops will come home, but it also determines who wants to try to get into federal gov't work. The application process is time consuming, and the work is cut out for anyone willing to do work in a highly stressful environment. The work is definitely rewarding though. Best to you all.

Host said: How did you get your start doing vocational rehabilitation counselor work, and what career moves did you make to get to your current position?

Do you need a particular educational background?

Years of working in human services/social service jobs in the state. On-line master's programs are now getting more popular for people wanting to work full-time and earn a degree in counseling disabled individuals. One needs to have a "stick to-it attitude" in order to see any dream come into fruition.

Gemma Gapud in Hunters Hill, Australia said: Do you require your Masters in VRC to be able to work as a VRC?
Or is a Bachelor Degree sufficient?

It is now best to earn a masters in vocational rehab counseling field and sit for and pass the national CRC(certification) accreditation after you graduate.

Assumption College in Worcester, Ma is doing an on-line program that is gaining respect and popularity. It is a 3yr, part-time or 2yr. full time engagement. There is financial aid for anyone willing to go for it. The best of luck to you.

Hi: you might get into college career counseling at 2yr or 4yr colleges. You might also want to contact the Director of the Vocational Rehab counseling program that trains masters' level students in Worcester, Mass. at Assumption College at: 508-767-7000. Ask ofr Lee Pearson their Director. He has a wealth of resources, and might be able to point you in a good direction. Why not look into getting into the VA Hospital sites. Out-patient clinics need good, certified and experienced Rehab Counselors who earn huge salaries. The job may be high stress working on behalf of injured vets both female and male, but the work is purposeful. Best of luck to you all.

In my opinion the problem has many layers. first I have extensive background in non for profit sector affording me many skills, but companies tell me my skills are under utilized and non for profit organizations think am too qualified . In Illinois the jobs for Rehab. Counselors are scarce. There may be 1 job at the State or the VA that many are competeing for. Many of the jobs at our level in Illinois the older Counselors have and are not leaving any time soon, the same goes for the State jobs. In Illinois we have a saying that Rehab. Counselors die in those positions; meaning they retire and stay in the positions for many many years.
Private sector usually use their interns or their networks to fill their positions

If you are looking to relocate there are many options in NC, and with your CRC the opportubites are limitless.

If you are willing to relocate to NC the opportunites are limitless with your CRC.

Rose in Boston, Massachusetts said: Was the test very difficult? The CRC is a test I plan to study for this yr, and sit for and hopefully pass next yr. If you can give me any pointers, or info on taking the test--I'd be grateful. Also, the VA hospitals (out-patient and in-patient) is hiring now for vocational rehab counselors. They also pay extremely big salaries, and give raises periodically with lots of benefits and vacation time. Check it out if you haven't already. You can also go into private practice part-time or full-time if you like this. Thanks...rose

The CRC in Massachusetts will be given (I'm hearing now) online and you can study for it by sending away for flash cards on line and research other places (like colleges) that are giving practice testing to pass it. You only need a grade in the 70's and most of the questions which are multiple choice all relate to what you studied throughout the course. Just focus on the question's answer and forget about the rest. Train your eye to only see the correct answers and you'll be surprised how high you may score in this test.

Many of us suffer from "test anxiety" so, take a deep breathe, and look at this test as something fun, and not the end of the world kind of challenge. Relax and just DO IT....DO IT....(starsky and hutch movie)....be well--rose out of Boston

Host said: How did you get your start doing vocational rehabilitation counselor work, and what career moves did you make to get to your current position?

Do you need a particular educational background?

Any liberal arts or social work back ground. Anyone who has worked in human services, or social services. The service of work background can be working with young children to elders in your community.

A 2yr degree first, if you want to start slow. Then transfer to the 4yr. undergrad program in the area you like. My background was English, and some continuing studies in Gerontology (aging studies)...then, I did case management in the public welfare (state job) offices throughout the region. I did liaison work, and referral work, customer service work with the state Medicaid program. You could work in food stamps, or housing for low-income families. To get your feet wet.

Then, you could look at the on-line programs here at Newport, Rhode Island's Salve Regina vocational rehab counseling masters program, or better yet, the new and growing on-line (waiting list now?) at Assumption College in their social and human services area. They have the masters program (3yrs. part-time, and less time if you take it full-time) for vocational rehab counselors. There is focus on disability and chronic illness and how to help people choose their own care planning, and you could go into alcohol and substance abuse counseling which is fast growing, and continue to study and get another credential (by taking the state exam) to be a mental health counselor, and drug/alcohol counselor. You could do veteran work at out-patient federal clinics and hospitals. The federal gov't pays the highest salaries, and the work is very rewarding, but note---it can also be very stressful and very challenging.

You will learn alot about medical aspects of ilness, and disability that include amputations, mental illness, emotional and physical disability challenges.

Gemma Gapud in Hunters Hill, Australia said: Do you require your Masters in VRC to be able to work as a VRC?
Or is a Bachelor Degree sufficient?

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously in the clinical counseling field, and be certified to be ethically able to help your consumers should get their masters in vocational rehab counseling now. The cost to go to grad school as many of you are well aware will sky-rocket each year. I waited too long and could have done this years ago for less expense.

You have to do a 100hr. on-site practicum, then a 600hr. internship (which can be done at your job if you have someone there with a masters degree or Ph.D. to supervise you)

On-line studies is growing fast, and getting popular in the states. Assumption College here in Worcester, Massachusetts (Lee Pearson is the Director) have begun having classes on line.

They are fast, and the ongoing enrollment is nice. You can study part-time (2 classes each 13weeks) or full time. Go on-line and check out the classes to see if this is what you like.

You can go in any direction with a masters in vocational rehab services. You can also work with veterans too. Best wishes...

Lorraine (not my real name) in Saint Augustine, Florida said: I am struggling to find a public sector job in Florida. I wish I knew your secret. I have a Masters in Rehabilitation Counseling, I'm a CRC, and I'm a QRP. I tried a job in the private sector (since that's where I did my internship) and discovered it wasn't the right place for me. I am in IARP so all of my contacts pretty much are in the private sector. I did a week of observation at a DVR. Everyone keeps telling me that I don't have enough experience. Do you have any tips for me?

There is NO SECRET...often times, we have to cut our losses, and move elsewhere. The east coast pays far higher and the cost of living is o.k. We have beautiful coastal beaches here too, and Cape Cod is beautiful as well. Just ask anyone who comes here in the summer,we have Newport, RI next door, Providence, RI, Boston, Ma is about 50 miles away, Maine, Vermont up north, and Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard Island, and of course the little island out there in the Atlantic ocean, Nantucket...very pretty, peaceful--artists, and artisans...they have an air strip for smaller planes...Best of luck.

Also, you could talk to other schools that train masters level voca.rehab counselors to see where the jobs are at. Why not try the VA hospital or out-patient system. Never think like you are defeated, or you already are. Just believe and you will see a positive outcome. It takes time to find where you fit well. Talk to the h.r. or Directors at the dept. Go to state Career offices and see if they are hiring. You have what it takes to succeed. Failure IS NOT AN OPTION> kEEP THOSE THOUGHTS STRONG IN YOUR HEAD.

Lorraine (not my real name) in Saint Augustine, Florida said: I am struggling to find a public sector job in Florida. I wish I knew your secret. I have a Masters in Rehabilitation Counseling, I'm a CRC, and I'm a QRP. I tried a job in the private sector (since that's where I did my internship) and discovered it wasn't the right place for me. I am in IARP so all of my contacts pretty much are in the private sector. I did a week of observation at a DVR. Everyone keeps telling me that I don't have enough experience. Do you have any tips for me?

sTOP LISTENING TO THE "you don't have enough experience" your internship and practicum is your experience. Re-write your current resume and go to other agencies that are non-profit. Find out what age population you enjoy working with, and start looking there. There are college environments with counseling offices, schools in every level that have counselors, and federal gov't that hires vocational rehab counselors. People who get hired are confident, strong-minded, and not timid. They don't have to come across as being arrogant though. Talk to leaders in the field you are interested in. Those people who have the power to hire you. Get to job fairs, put your resume on one page, and have the best 3 professional references you can use. Give copies to them first, and get their permission to use their name. Dress professionally. Have clean nails, and a big smile. You have come this far---what are you waiting for man---go get that career or job today...YES, YOU CAN.

Frankie in Toms River, New Jersey said: Is is possible for an individual holding a BSW (social work) degree to be hired as a vocational rehabilitation counselor in order to get the much needed work experience as a Voc Rehab Counselor prior to obtaining a Masters degree.
If so, where should the job search begin?

mANY non-profit community alcohol and drug treatment out-patient clinics and sites are searching for bachelor level counselors. It is a good job, and you get to see if this type of work fits your personality, or temperment.

You can take on-line master's level classes through Assumption College out of Worcester, Ma or Salve Regina College in Newport, RI which has on-line vocational rehab counseling training. The expense is getting higher, so if you are going to get a masters degree--It's a good idea to get it NOW. tHERE IS FINANCIAL AID FOR THOSE WHO QUALIFY> sPEAK TO the financial aid officer there at the schools you want to attend.

lenora in Chicago, Illinois said: Hi all,
I am a Certified Rehab. Counselor and have not been able to find a job in this field since 2005. I have extensive experience with case management and disabilites and 5 yrs experience with counseling in non for profit agencies. I did interview with a private company that handles workmans comp. cases, where I was told my skills have been under utilized. He was pretty much interested in my degree. In Chicago its really slim pickings for employment at the state or else where. I have been looking for a job since May; any resources or networking contacts that would be beneficial???

Hi Lenora, I can appreciate your position. I have been a CRC for 17 years, working in public schools as a guidance counselor. I have had the unfortunate experience of getting myself promoted and now layed off. I have been out of work for the past 15 months and find it difficult to locate work too. School districts don't look at my application because I am on the top end of the union salary scale. Just the other day I was turned down for a PT job as a career counselor because I do not have a LPC or NCC. My CRC and state license as a guidance counselor was not good enough! Those of us who know anything about the requirements for the CRC exam know how it emphasises career counseling and vocational development. And who do you turn to in a school district when you want information on careers? Anyhow I am still in shock.

I am considering starting my own private career counseling practice, but it is kind of depressing when the career counselor can't seem to get a job!

Mary

Some times rejection and set-backs aren't that at all, it is only directing you to something better. Believe in yourself. You can find a good fit, and worry about the money portion secondly. There are plenty of jobs at the federal level as vocational rehab counselors and they pay extremely well. If you can handle stress, and flexible schedules you might try this route. There is also a high demand for drug and alcohol rehab counselors. You could ask around, and look at human service agencies also. Some of us must think about relocating. Many people don't want to, or just can't...Baltimore, Maryland has a lot of opportunities, and so does Massachusetts and Rhode Island. The cost of living in Maryland (around Columbia) is higher because people living there are better educated. If you are looking for a mix culturally, look at Maryland area and see what's up. You could also ask college career centers that have trained rehab counselors, attend all the job fairs, and think about getting into your own practice with other established people. Those are options to think about. Newport, Rhode Island has opportunities as well in the family and substance abuse and treatment areas. The cost of living is about the same in big cities like Boston, MAss. Don't give up, keep looking at schools (guidance counseling), and work with the older populations as well in case management. good luck and stay positive!

This message is for "Mary" you are at the top of your game. Think about relocating to the Howard County region of Maryland between Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, M.D. It is very pretty, and clean around there, especially in Columbia, Maryland. There are all sorts of options for someone with your experience and background. Look at WHAT YOU DO HAVE< AND don't let others determine your career goals or direction, and don't allow anyone to steal your power and belief in yourself. Perhaps getting out of the school system, and into something else (federal gov't jobs pay very high) you could also work for the FBI if you are willing to commute into the city like D.C. I saw a position last week posted with the federal FBI office in D.C. for a supervisor counselor that began a salary of over $100K annually, and they promote well. Think about other interests you have, and get out there, re-write a one-page resume and use action words ---you can use the top references (only 3 is enough) and go for it...you have everything to gain today---and very little to lose if you are willing to take some risks....Go for it girl!!! Best of luck. rose in New Bedford, Ma

Thank you for the pep talk. Sometimes they work. In my more than half century of living I never thought I would face 'agism' but I am looking at it square in the face. I moved up the educational totem pole and was making an excellent salary in the top 15th percentile where the pickings are slim for jobs. I would gladly move down a notch out of a supervisory position, but that is where union contracts and municipal budgets come into play. Why hire me when the district can hire an equally certified counselor (and much younger)for half my salary. Then there is a thing called retirement. When your profession does not contribute to Social Security, but instead to a state run retirement program, one does not want to bail out so close to the end of the game.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that a CRC credential is worth much outside a few select government employers. I am finding that most employers don't care about it and are looking for RNs, LPCs, or MSWs. I have maintained my CRC ceus on my own for the past 17 years and it has meant nothing to my employer.
Yes moving to a different community is an option for those who are starting out in their careers, but I have grandchildren nearby and an aging parent who lives with me on a part time basis. It would be impossible for him to access his MDs in the Boston area if I moved. Plus, I am thankful that I am married to a wonderful guy whose salary is paying all our bills. So unless my entire family was moving together...it is not all that easy.
Life is never as simple as it seems when attending graduate school. The reality of a career that has gone off track is an eye opener.

Mary

Mary in Mystic, CT. I do realize your mourning over something you THINK you have lost forever---you are also suffering for an ailing parent and concerned about life in general. Many of us who say we believe in a higher power; God; Jesus Christ is not enough my sister. We must try to understand this one important aspect about who we are, and why we live on earth for a certain time, etc. We are here to fulfill a GOOD PURPOSE; you are focusing far too much on everything NEGATIVE. When we do this Mary, we almost try to prove that we are more powerful than a faithful God who can do all things, in every bad situation. You need respite care for your parent to have some time to get out and live, figure out what you want to do for work. Co

Mary in Mystic, CT. Whenever we think with a pride ful heart(and this is not an insult Mary) I have learned this lesson for myself...We can do all things through our BELIEF, and by our FAITH in the spirit that is the glue that keeps our world afloat. We certainly keep hearing so many bad things; people are afraid; I say, why be fearful if you have almighty God in your heart, and in your mind?? Prayer works, and humility works Mary. If we know we can't do it, but God can---"He makes a way out of no way!" This is not a fairy tale story...this is for real...Not to be afraid knowing, you have direction now. You've been there, done that in that area. What about working at a college now for disabled students who need your expertise in education? You can go there and see the Director's. If people aren't hiring, keep sending your resume to educational areas, and other schools near your home. You may be able to get a CNA (certified nursing assistant) you can trust and pay what you can afford for a few days a week. You can find them by the schools that train them. They are searching for work as well. We are all in this together for all that is great and good within each of us. Get those voices of negative, hurt, and pain out of you NOW Mary...You are not old, unless you have bought into society's attitude telling you who you are; who are you Mary? You are, what you say you are: strong, intelligent, joyful, loving, and a great model for your grandchildren to see their grammie (like myself--62yrs strong) going further and higher because this is our purpose. You can do it...Jesus told me---Rose, "Just believe" (in the power of almighty God) Now get out there girl!!!!

Everyone is talking about the BA...I'll on the cusp of finishing my BSBA, and thinking of going into the Voc Rehab direction. Can you give me some recommendations on schools, and does my degree cut it for getting into that field. I currently work as a Veteran employment representatvie? Thanks

I am not sure if a BSBA will get you into the program for rehab, but one of the best and oldest rehab programs is Virginia Commonwealth University,look into program. Good luck

jarman in goldsboro, NC in Raleigh, North Carolina said: I am not sure if a BSBA will get you into the program for rehab, but one of the best and oldest rehab programs is Virginia Commonwealth University,look into program. Good luck

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