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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

Here is my situation. I am a 14 year Navy veteran (Honorable discharge)for medical condition. I was a First Class Petty Officer Personnel Specialist. All Of my experience related to Human Resources(career counceling, recruiting, Staffing, pay, personnel..etc.)
I have contacted too many staffing companies to mention. Here a few example of things that I hear after filling out all the application paper work. Now keep in mind my resume does not contain any military terms. 1. You are over qualified for the position. 2. You do not know the labor laws for that position. We just don't have any positions for you. So I decided to just get a job, any job. First I tried to get a job in retail the bigger chains, Place you would find at the mall. Again, you are over qualified and we just think you would not like working for such low pay. I continue to follow up with the companies and they say be patient we are working on "it". One agency said I need to network with HR groups to get into the field. Sure okay I will try that, But there are yearly dues and fees to join. I am just not sure what the problem is. I am still without a job. I would like to hear from those that have had difficulties after the military getting a job. Or if you are in the Kansas city area want to hire a Honorably discharged Navy Veteran Please let me know.

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Nalla in ?

88 months ago

I'm a Disabled Vet with experience and education. I still don't have a job. HR is a very difficult field to get into. Have you thought about getting HR Certifications to help with your experience. It's tough out here and the workone offices that suppose to help place Veterans are not doing so well either. You have to have a certificatio or something in that field to add to your experience. I'm sure the military will help you pay if you were in the right programs.

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ruffpaws

88 months ago

Hey, go to the disabled vets and get them to pay for your tuition and books while you receive a $900.00 stipend per month on top of that! You have to be 20% or more disabled and a veteran. Dont use your GI Bill. I found this out after I already used the GI Bill. You dont have to have signed up for it while in service, you just have to be eligible! Look into it and good luck! GOD BLESS--RUFFPAWS

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

Nalla in ? said: I'm a Disabled Vet with experience and education. I still don't have a job. HR is a very difficult field to get into. Have you thought about getting HR Certifications to help with your experience. It's tough out here and the workone offices that suppose to help place Veterans are not doing so well either. You have to have a certificatio or something in that field to add to your experience. I'm sure the military will help you pay if you were in the right programs.[/QUOTE

Thanks for the input. Currently I do not have any certifications. that looks to be my only options if I want to continue with something I already know. On the recruiting side I have found that would prefer to have (for example) an engineer to recruit engineers not just a person to who is a recruiter. I am about 15 hours away from a BS in Business Management all of which I have done in the Navy. The only reason I think an engineer, accountant, nurse, or any other professional of that degree would become a recruiter is two reasons: 1. they just got out of school and can't get a job and want to make the contacts 2. they are not very good at there job or lack any creditable experience in their respective field. I think I would like to specialize in just recruiting prior military only. A global staffing agency or recruiting for just military.

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

ruffpaws said: Hey, go to the disabled vets and get them to pay for your tuition and books while you receive a $900.00 stipend per month on top of that! You have to be 20% or more disabled and a veteran. Dont use your GI Bill. I found this out after I already used the GI Bill. You dont have to have signed up for it while in service, you just have to be eligible! Look into it and good luck! GOD BLESS--RUFFPAWS

I am still waiting on VA to finish up my percentage. It is 9 months now. I call about twice a week.

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Huh? in Atlanta, Georgia

88 months ago

timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas said: All Of my experience related to Human Resources(career counceling, recruiting, Staffing, pay, personnel..etc.)

How can you be overqualified in the field of HR and have to resort to asking for help in finding a job? It just doesn't wash. If you really are qualified in HR then you should know exactly how to go about finding a job.

Sorry but it is like a journeyman plumber asking for help on a leaking toilet or something.

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

Let me carify what I am saying. I have applied in other positions. As Adminitrative Assistant, Office assistant, File clerk and a couple other entry level jobs just to get my foot in the door That I could do easily. Remember 14 years in the Navy, I haven't had to look for a job since I was in high school. A lot has changed over the years. You don't have to look for a job in the Navy you only apply for orders to different duties stations where you are qualified for and then you go there These jobs are based on your paygrade and job in the Navy. Does that explain it better for you?

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Nalla in ?

88 months ago

timlk71

You must have never been in the Military. You can be considered over qualified and because you take many classes and the experience alone will override civilians any day. The only thing that is missing is a certification. I know, my entire family is in the military.

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Nalla in ?

88 months ago

timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas said:

You are almost done with your BA, excellent. I know you will be fine. I also know how frustrating it is finding work. My sister and her husband are trying to get their degrees now before getting out. I tried to explain it's a different world once you get out. She is at 24 years. I'm finishing my MBA but I'm still having problems finding work. Then there is the age factor. I need to find something before I'm considered to old. That happens out here too. Good luck to ya!

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Chester in Stamford, Connecticut

88 months ago

Timlk71 - It's not only you that's having difficulty finding a decent job. If you are over 40 years old, there is age discrimination. Another problem is outsourcing of American jobs. Employment agencies for the most part are worthless.
I was outsourced out of a job 8 months ago. I tried the same route you did just to get some money coming in by applying for any job and got the same answers. On top of that, I'm over 40 year old.
The job market in America stinks no matter what the "experts" say. Good luck.

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

I will just keep plugging away and good luck to all.

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Huh? in Atlanta, Georgia

88 months ago

Nalla in ? said: timlk71

You must have never been in the Military.

14 years in the Navy is not being in the military? What are you, 14 years old?

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

Keep your comments professional and helpful.

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Huh? in Atlanta, Georgia

88 months ago

timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas said: Keep your comments professional and helpful.

Well screw you, sailor. I was sticking up for you, idiot.

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timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas

88 months ago

OOps! I'm sorry. I misread that. I thought that was directed toward me. First time writing in forum. I am not an Idiot. Just new to this.

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American in Atlanta, Georgia

88 months ago

timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas said: OOps! I'm sorry. I misread that. I thought that was directed toward me. First time writing in forum. I am not an Idiot. Just new to this.

Apology accepted and offered. I too am a veteran (Vietnam Era). My advice is to seek employment where your veteran status will put you at the top of the hiring list, like government offices, post office, military contractors, etc. Those employers will even know your qualifications using your military job codes, etc.

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American in Atlanta, Georgia

88 months ago

I forgot to mention...

Plop down a DD214 and you rise to the top of the list and if you have a service related disability you even rise to the top of the veterans list.

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Nalla in ?

88 months ago

Huh? in Atlanta, Georgia said: 14 years in the Navy is not being in the military? What are you, 14 years old?

Wow!! That wasn't to you. That was to the person that said "how can you be overqualified" it doesn't wash etc

Nope, wasn't for I LOVE MY MILITARY PEOPLE
sorry you thought that was for you. I just started posting and messed it up.

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Can't take much more in Northampton, Pennsylvania

88 months ago

Hi Everyone,
I don't know if I even belong here. I don't know any more where I belong. I love to work and I can't get a job. In the last month and a half I have applied at 129 jobs and only two return calls.

The one call asked why I preferred not working weekends I stated I would work weekends if needed but in Dec I would need 2 days off to see my child leave for Iraq. They stated they couldn't work with me I have to work all weekends and be on call.
Second co. a warehouse which I have done and like to do. The interview said to come back for a tour of the warehouse and get my schedule. I came on the said date for the tour, and the second interview, after role calling stared at me and said Thanks for joining us, it is nice to have you attend. Then said I already know who I am hiring out of the 25 that were to be here 11 showed up I am only hiring 10 of you. If you are not in shape you can't do this job. But you can keep applying for the next 4 weeks to prove you can do this job.
Guess what I wasn't hired.
I have cooked, cleaned, sorted mail, material handler, soldered, floral arranging, cake decorating, secretary, admissions, manager and president of a co., accounting, receptionist, dock worker, pick/pack/assembler.
If I didn't want the job or thought I couldn't do the job I wouldn't apply.
My spouse is telling me get a job and says you are capable of working get a job you can't because you are to stupid and have no skills.
I have an Assoc. Bach. Degree but I don't work in that field any more.
Sorry for the babble, I don't know what to do any more.

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yeti105 in Los Lunas, New Mexico

88 months ago

I understand all of the above comments by all.I feel for our service men and women more than i am currently feeling for myself.I recently read in Readers Digest that there are service people that are coming back from Iraq and other wars and being denied their entitled and deserved benefits,some have been waiting for over a year with disabilites that prevent them from ever working again.I am a disabled nurse who has been denied SSD twice and now may be allowed to go before a judge to determine if i am broken enough to not work anymore,according to the lawyer it can take up to 1 1/2 yrs before i can do this.I am filing for bankruptcy at this time,but the point of this is,i am doing much better than others are,and up until i see the judge i may get worse,but God willing all that are supposed to get what they deserve will get it before we all end up homeless and on the street.

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Nalla in ?

88 months ago

I hope everything works out for you. That's sad, they will force you to work no matter how bad things you feel. Good luck to us all including you can't take much more.

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jane in Harveyville, Kansas

85 months ago

timlk71 in Overland Park, Kansas said: Here is my situation. I am a 14 year Navy veteran (Honorable discharge)for medical condition. I was a First Class Petty Officer Personnel Specialist. All Of my experience related to Human Resources(career counceling, recruiting, Staffing, pay, personnel..etc.)
I have contacted too many staffing companies to mention. Here a few example of things that I hear after filling out all the application paper work. Now keep in mind my resume does not contain any military terms. 1. You are over qualified for the position. 2. You do not know the labor laws for that position. We just don't have any positions for you. So I decided to just get a job, any job. First I tried to get a job in retail the bigger chains, Place you would find at the mall. Again, you are over qualified and we just think you would not like working for such low pay. I continue to follow up with the companies and they say be patient we are working on "it". One agency said I need to network with HR groups to get into the field. Sure okay I will try that, But there are yearly dues and fees to join. I am just not sure what the problem is. I am still without a job. I would like to hear from those that have had difficulties after the military getting a job. Or if you are in the Kansas city area want to hire a Honorably discharged Navy Veteran Please let me know.

I have had a hard time finding work even with a degree and management experience.
This work climate is very difficult if you are not just out of college willing to work 60 hours for $30 K.
I had to go to work for $2.13 an hour plus tips and I am making less now than I made 15 years ago.
All I can add is go over your appearance and make sure your confidence level is up.
Tell yourself that you have other opportunities when you are interviewed and your demeanor will reflect it if you have repeated this mantra to yourself.
Good luck and thanks for your service.

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mad at the world in Lenexa, Kansas

84 months ago

I spent 6 years in the Air Force and I too am unemployed.
I left with the "Community College of the Air Force" Associates degree. Which came in handy for making paper air planes and lining the bird cage but means nothing in the "real world"
My wife is having a baby and soon and I haven't found a thing. I send out about 2 resumes a day and my phone remains silent.
Its hard to reamin proud of your service to your country, when you can't even take care of your own family.

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Dvet in Terre Haute, Indiana

83 months ago

Is there a more pressing underlying reason why the value of diligent hard working Americans is being undermined? What is the structure of modern day value distribution, and who does it cater to and why? How many of you have heard of globalization? Globalization is the merging of economic structures in an attempt to further control the human asset, and is really what you as a service member where fighting for, the right to control the tools and resources of value. People are value, oil is value, air is value, but the monetary system is the distribution and contorl system for the distribution of that value. He who controls the monetary structure only really controls people's reactions to the perception of its capabilities. The best way to experience true value firsthand is to sacrifice and suffer for you neighbor who is in the end the only source of value. So, in this take everything I have then you have taken nothing, because there is nothing without God and neighbor. So in this social unity under a common cause builds change and value, but such occasions only occur after opression has become highly visible, which is the same time that many have nothing to lose and so they collaborate together and social change is had, but sometimes at a great cost, the lives of many. In this revolution is born; social disparity. The variance between self proclaimed owners of rights to social control and those subjugated, the subjects and the aristocrats. To the masses death is freedom, and God is the liberator. If you are the masses, which i am not even worthy of calling myself as I am a cripple in societies eyes, then strive towards the good will of others and again create a community that is not begging for a socialist regime to come and further dictate your everyday lives, even if that dictator of social will is the orchestrator for the distribution of a system you love, the monetary system. Nothing can be done until we realize that we are the value.

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Nalla in ?

83 months ago

mad at the world in Lenexa, Kansas said: I spent 6 years in the Air Force and I too am unemployed.
I left with the "Community College of the Air Force" Associates degree. Which came in handy for making paper air planes and lining the bird cage but means nothing in the "real world"
My wife is having a baby and soon and I haven't found a thing. I send out about 2 resumes a day and my phone remains silent.
Its hard to reamin proud of your service to your country, when you can't even take care of your own family.

I truly understand where you are. When the job called me my light had been disconnected the day before and both vehicles were going to be repoed. However, you may not want to hear this but for every 10 resumes sent out you get 1 reply. that means 2 aday isn't enough. It's a lot of competition out there. Apply to schools they are usually shorthanded. I pray you find a job soon. My husband was layed off when I had my first son. Good luck to you.

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