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ArmyWifeMBA

113 months ago

I also wanted to add that I have BS and MS engineering degrees. This is why I was told to apply for engineering jobs.

One last note: most of the agencies have a way to check the status of your application and if the job was canceled, if you were referred to the hiring authority or if you were not in the top three.

Army's website www.cpol.army.mil register through Resume Builder, then self nominate yourself when apply for their jobs through cpol.army.mil. You will be able to see if your application was indeed received, (you will get an email confirmation). After the job announcement closes, you can go back and review status through ANSWER and see where you are in application/hiring process.

Good luck everyone. I hope my information has helped.

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darkcoyote in Niceville, Florida

113 months ago

Another great resource is

www.governmentsupportjobs.com

They have a ton of contracting and civil service positions on there. My understanding is that it is really difficult to get a government job straight away, but starting with a support job can be a really big foot in the door experience.

Also, worth checking out is their blog:
www.governmentjobadvice.com

It's new, but it looks good so far.

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sdgal in Vale, South Dakota

112 months ago

I am new to this forum, but I have a grip on this thread about the length of time to hear a reply back. Also, I put in for a Public Affairs Specialist position to which I was quite qualified for and didn't even make it to a selection committee. Now my question is I did put in for one other job and got back a 96 rating on my application packet. So is that good or bad?
thanks

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

112 months ago

sdgal in Vale, South Dakota said: I am new to this forum, but I have a grip on this thread about the length of time to hear a reply back. Also, I put in for a Public Affairs Specialist position to which I was quite qualified for and didn't even make it to a selection committee. Now my question is I did put in for one other job and got back a 96 rating on my application packet. So is that good or bad?
thanks

Good luck on your 96 rating. Had that rating for a few jobs and didnt get referred. Those jobs wanted a 98 or better.

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elg in San Diego, California

112 months ago

1) Yea, I know it says 'open to the public', but really.. they hand it over to a current or former government employee or someone with government relations status.

2) But they do eventually open up to regular Joe Schmoe's out there.. It just takes time.

www.governmentjobtips.com

3) As a contractor and then getting converted over, the chances are higher to being a govt employee.

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johnhiggs in MECHANICSVILLE, Maryland

112 months ago

I received a 100 rating and referred to selecting official(s). What are my possibilities?

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

112 months ago

Not very good.ionly say this because I've had ratings that have 105 for over 30 jobs with the government and never get an offer. I guess two graduate degrees, 15 yeard of service and an 80% disability rating doesn't matter to the federal government.

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Daily Time in Salt Lake City, Utah

112 months ago

if you are not a 5 or 10 point vet, then you are in the best position that you could possibly be in for this job....congratulations....call the HR contact and see if they can tell you how many people have been referred or if the interview invites have gone out....an interview invite would be your next step...in my experience, i've seen occations of 3, 10, and 26 people referred to hiring official for 1 vacancy....keep applying for Fed Jobs...don't hang your hat on this one....good luck

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

112 months ago

Daily Time in Salt Lake City, Utah said: if you are not a 5 or 10 point vet, then you are in the best position that you could possibly be in for this job....congratulations....call the HR contact and see if they can tell you how many people have been referred or if the interview invites have gone out....an interview invite would be your next step...in my experience, i've seen occations of 3, 10, and 26 people referred to hiring official for 1 vacancy....keep applying for Fed Jobs...don't hang your hat on this one....good luck

What do you mean, "If you are not a 5 or 10 point vet?"

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

112 months ago

JOHN HIGGS in MECHANICSVILLE, Maryland said: I actually applied for three vacancies for same occupation,only different shifts. I received 100 rating on each(non Vet) and was referred to selecting official on 2 of these 3. Any comments please?

Good Luck! You have a better chance of getting the job than a veteran.

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Daily Time in Salt Lake City, Utah

111 months ago

110 is the highest rating....for best advice, come to federal soup d0t c0m....lot more active than this thread....you will get good advice from HR folks and others....see you there

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

111 months ago

Well Mr. Stokes I am an OIF vetern with a disability rating, unemployed, have two kids, two graduate degrees and I assure you I don't live high off the hog. I struggle everyday to provide for my family that's what 15 years in the service gets me and I can't even get a federal job. I will complain as much as I want.

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davidstokes in Fort Worth, Texas

111 months ago

Daily Time in Salt Lake City, Utah said: 110 is the highest rating....for best advice, come to federal soup d0t c0m....lot more active than this thread....you will get good advice from HR folks and others....see you there

2. As veterans we all need to come to ONE BIG REALIZATION such as I recently have. VETERANS ARE A DIME A DOZEN!! Rather disabled,retired or other seperated VETS. So with that said we need to just deal with the fact as OEM stated and what I was told as I transitioned out the service, "NO VETERAN IS GUARANTEED FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT!!" So how about we all just be greatful to have A JOB. Cause there are alot of VETS like myself even with Higher Education and a Civilian Job skill from the military who is unemployed or not making a whole lot of money.

3. We as VETS have to realize another thing that I read in a blog related to veteran employment a while ago. It is the government who controlled us that owes us the most graditude, not the private industries. And yes, I know that under the Bush administration Veterans were neglected from all angles. And Can't NOBODY, not even our local Employment office veteran Reps can get us the good jobs we need and most of all deserve.

Yes I am aware just like you all are that there are very few veteran friendly employers out there. I will say that Government contracts (for veterans who got out with a skill they are looking for)is the best thing going for veterans, but I prefer to work elsewhere cause only retirees(in my experience it seems)get the good paying/supervisor positions and have more growth potential.

I just want to say I have nothing against retirees but as a former JUNIOR NCO with only 8 yrs of service I must say that alot of ex SENIOR NCO's in those positions still have a military mind and no longer possess technical profeciencies in the fields they manage because they are to use to just managing people and to me, that is highly NOT RESPECTED or tolerated outside the military.

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davidstokes in Fort Worth, Texas

111 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: Well Mr. Stokes I am an OIF vetern with a disability rating, unemployed, have two kids, two graduate degrees and I assure you I don't live high off the hog. I struggle everyday to provide for my family that's what 15 years in the service gets me and I can't even get a federal job. I will complain as much as I want.

I understand that. Like I said I commend you for your service and appreciate your service. But We all have things to complain about as well so don't get offended man. I just want you fellow VETS to know that there are veterans in bad and worse situations. Hell the thought of federal employment is not in my head anymore, HOWEVER I still look at posting and apply everynow and then. Not trying to bring religion in this but my Mom recently told me one thing that made alot of sense to me and that is, "GOD is her job market".

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davidstokes in Fort Worth, Texas

111 months ago

So I'm sure we all learned one thing:

IT IS EASY AS HELL IN MOST CASES TO GET IN THE MILITARY BUT HARD AS HELL TO GET A GOVERNMENT JOB!!!

And I do strongly feel that OBAMA, yes OBAMA truly does care about VETS. Did all you VETS know that his stimulus package offers tax breaks to employers who hire VETS even though alot of employers STILL TO THIS DAY dont care about hiring a vet, but still want that individual with the targeted experience?? I just don't get it!! If taxes are part of the reasons why businesses outsource or move to different locations, you would think that they would take advantage of a taxbreak like that because if Im not mistaken it is $2400 per Veteran. All they have to do is TRAIN the veteran but alot of employers due not have the willingness to TRAIN now and days. And you best believe that this is an employers market right now guys. And they are being more choosy then EVER.

I feel its a shame how alot of Veterans supported McCain or Republican's alike when it was THEM who voted against the new POST 911 GI BILL because they said it would encourage service members to get out. So Veteran's keep thinking those guys cared about you just because they were for giving a pay raise to the Armed Forces every year even though the cost of living surely went right up with it guys...

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

111 months ago

The government doesn't really about us veterans, if they did there wouldn't be any homeless vets and every vet would have a job.

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davidstokes in Fort Worth, Texas

111 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: Mr stokes I have tried 7000 applications later and all I get is lied to by the VA and the goverment, its kind ironuc really, I'm good enough but now that I have college degrees I'm too educated for the government. So now I am unemployed and soon will become a statistic and live underneath a bridge because the government won't give me a job.

Well those issues right there is what the President is addressing. Homeless and unemployed VETS!! Maybe all it takes is veterans to address him about your issues and I bet he will cater to that request. Now when was the last time you heard the last administration care to mention Homeless VETS or struggling VETS. Please keep in mind that this problem like the recession can't go away over night but I do feel that we have a president who cares for veterans unconditionally. I mean think about it, if he brought in an 11 year old boy to interview about lunch menus at school then I am quite sure he can entertain this.

By the way I don't think you should depend as much on the goverment to give you a job. Try the private sector. If you location is hit hard by the economy then I suggest you consider relocating if it by all means possible. I moved from Tennessee down to Texas and let me tell you, Industry is booming out here compared to most states even during a slow down. Especially in my trade. My only problem is that coming out of college I'm entry level and experienced is preffered right now.

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davidstokes in Fort Worth, Texas

111 months ago

So as far as retirement for me goes its looking like I got one of two choices:

1. Go back in the service while I'm still elgible by age and do twelve more years.

2. Work in outside industries until I die!!

Point, blank, period!!

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jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California

110 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: Does anyone have any good advice on getting a job in the federal government?

Yes....try volunteering at an organization that you want to work with. If you want to work at the VA, Naval Hospital, Base Legal, or wherever....I'm sure they need volunteers and it will give you a chance to meet people and know when opening come up. It's called networking. It worked for me, after trying for off and on for 7 years, I started volunteering and got a job in 6 weeks. Oh yeah...before people complain about it's who you know...I'm a 80%, 12 year Vet.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

110 months ago

jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California said: Yes....try volunteering at an organization that you want to work with. If you want to work at the VA, Naval Hospital, Base Legal, or wherever....I'm sure they need volunteers and it will give you a chance to meet people and know when opening come up. It's called networking. It worked for me, after trying for off and on for 7 years, I started volunteering and got a job in 6 weeks. Oh yeah...before people complain about it's who you know...I'm a 80%, 12 year Vet.

Networking = "Who you know". You volunteered and they got to know you, right? Thanks for your post but it further proves our point. The hiring system, as it is now, does not work. Its causes people to network; therefore hiring managers get to know you; thus they OFFER you a job.

OPM needs to change its hiring rules and add "Networking" as a step to getting a job. You just proved that. I cant understand why the word "Fair" seems to rub people the wrong way?

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

110 months ago

David Stokes in Fort Worth, Texas said: Hello fellow veterans and non-veteran bloggers. You know I am a veteran(8yrs Army)as well(non-disabled). I just want to throw in my 2 cents on what you all are saying in this blog.

1. For my fellow veterans on here who are receiving disability, stop mentioning over and over your disability rating!! There are many vets like myself(OIF&OEF vets by the way) who get who get NOTHING,NADA,ZIP from the VA. At least you guys have that extra money to pay bills with or whatever the hell you want to do with it i.e car payment, gamble, alcohol, rent, crack, or even trick!

I have met many disabled vets working in defense contracting who is mentally and physically able to work just like myself, who is working and getting that money as well. If I was 80% disabled I would not give a flying %$&K about federal employment!! Same for retiree's. I commend you all for your service, but you guys need to realize that there is VETS like myself who don't get disability or retirement and probally could use money more than you really need it unless you is down right GREEDY or trying to live way beyond your means.

AMEN!!

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

110 months ago

Jarhead,

I appreciate your thoughts, but the whole networking thing really isn't the correct process in attaining federal employment. The process is in place for a reason. I don't need to kiss up to a hiring official just to get a job I should be hired on my own merit and the skill sets I learned while on active duty. I have done everything to make myself marketable for the federal government and if the government doesn't want someone with 5 college degrees that include two graduate degrees and they want to continue to discriminate against an 80% disabled veteran with 15 years of honorable service then I guess it just wasn't meant to be and it's their loss.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

110 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: Jarhead,

I appreciate your thoughts, but the whole networking thing really isn't the correct process in attaining federal employment. The process is in place for a reason. I don't need to kiss up to a hiring official just to get a job I should be hired on my own merit and the skill sets I learned while on active duty. I have done everything to make myself marketable for the federal government and if the government doesn't want someone with 5 college degrees that include two graduate degrees and they want to continue to discriminate against an 80% disabled veteran with 15 years of honorable service then I guess it just wasn't meant to be and it's their loss.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!! Must often, you are more qualified than the hiring manager anyway.

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jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California

110 months ago

Networking isn't "Ass Kissing" it's something that is practiced in all fields of employment, civilian and goverment. While I can appreciate the fact that you have served your country, sustained injuries (or at least recieved a disability rating), and have an education; you need to realized that YOU are not the only person out there with qualifications. Perhaps you have spent too much time in a classroom. I also might add that from the tone of your comments, you seem to have a real sense of entitlement which may be coming across when/if you get an interview. I'm not intending to insult you, just trying to provide a little perspective.

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jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California

110 months ago

I guess because I'm a "jarhead" that suppose to mean I'm uneducated. Well, I also have an advanced degree, just one masters, not five. Which I have focus my education to one area of study, not all over the place. But enough about our credentials, we need to get you a job. I still stand by the whole volunteering idea. It allows you to know what and when somethings going to opening up. It also lets you add first hand experience to your resume. FYI...when I got hired, it wasn't for a GS job, I got picked by a civilian contractor. But, because I was already volunteering, I knew the opening was there and I knew which contractors where utilized, which by the way are from another state, so I've never even met them. I'm still hoping to convert to a GS position.

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sdgal in South Dakota

110 months ago

Thank You to everybodys input

To Jagman, Jarhead and HRTruth, I can appreciate both sides of the story, I totally understand Jagman frustrations, been there, maybe not as long but still share the sentiment. I also understand where HrTruth is coming from, Mr Jarhead the networking is a good idea but it does feed into who you know, but you can not look at it that way, I guess what your trying to get at is utilizing all your resources, use networking as a tool, Think of it as RECON! I had 11 and half years NG and 3and a half years USAFR. It has helped me some is all and I have 4 MOS's, I have a disability but not service related. I thank all of you guys for your full time service, I have a part time job now in HR and am trying to learn as much as I can, I even asked my boss to make me a "Job Book"...lol She didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Jagman, If I was you I would maybe "Dummy Up" your resume a little and then after your hired bring up the other education, tough to swallow but it might help. I am going to try the networking a little I don't have time to volunteer yet.
I know it is tough to take, that the very government we swore to defend and protect won't help, the system needs to be fixed, just not sure if venting here is the answer. Take care guys and good luck.

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

107 months ago

Hello again. Does anyone have good advice on how to get a government job? I continue to apply but no bites so far and I have been told that I'm too educated. How do you get around being too educated? I always thought that the federal government wanted veterans or their employees to have brains and could think logically, but I may be wrong, maybe the federal government just want people they can control and manipulate. I just think its sad that you have so many veterans out there that want to serve their country again and the government HR employees for all of these various agencies fail to recognize employable veterans. I appreciate any input.

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OhhRah2500 in Fallbrook, California

106 months ago

"Management" degrees are can be generic. I hope you are tailoring your resume for the position. You need to look at the KSA's and make your experience fit what they are looking for. Remember, hundreds of other applicants are submitting for the same position, so you need to be very specific. Don't count on your education to be your "ace" to guarantee you the job...lots of people have degrees, it's a competetive world. I would also only list the degree that is relevant to the position you are applying for, otherwise you will look indecisive.(If the degrees are in different areas of study)

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Brehus in Kingwood, Texas

105 months ago

I worked on a military instillation for over 9 years as a civilian and I must say while I was there I seen a lot of questionable hiring going on. Lets just that the friends and family first plan was in full effect it seemed like many of the Jobs were filled by Vets it was just filled with Vets who had a job lined up before they but they got out of the service. It was the ones that didn’t have a job lined up before they got out of the service that seemed to have a hard time landing a job.

Do you want to know how they work their magic to get their friends and family hired?
They make sure that the person’s resume that they want to get the job matches the job description perfectly before they turn the job description into the hiring agency for posting. They do this to make sure their buddy gets through the filter and get referred. Once their buddy gets referred they continue to work their magic to get their buddy hired.
If for some reason their buddy gets beat out they will simple close the job and not hire anybody and recreate the job again and hope that the person who beat out their buddy doesn’t apply again.

Government Contract jobs were even worse many of those jobs never got posted anywhere and the only person who hears about the job was person they wanted to get the job.

I was in an ACAP classroom before doing some work and I did over hear the ACAP instructor telling the people getting out of the service that a lot of the jobs are rigged. Yea even the ACAP people know that it is rigged.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

David Stokes in Fort Worth, Texas said: 2. As veterans we all need to come to ONE BIG REALIZATION such as I recently have. VETERANS ARE A DIME A DOZEN!!

David, you have lost focus on one important fact. No one, not even me is thinking I am promised a government job. As a matter of fact, I have worked five years after military retirement with private companies. The point of the arguments is two fold. Point#1 - The hidden culture that prevents "qualified" vets from getting a job that "obviously" qualify for..........and Point#2 - When agencies hire "lesser qualified" civilians to PREVENT vets from getting a job! or.....When they hire "lesser qualified" vets (nepotism, cronyism, etc.." to keep the MORE QUALIFED vet from getting the job!

Thats the real issue here!

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: Well Mr. Stokes I am an OIF vetern with a disability rating, unemployed, have two kids, two graduate degrees and I assure you I don't live high off the hog. I struggle everyday to provide for my family that's what 15 years in the service gets me and I can't even get a federal job. I will complain as much as I want.

Trust me, Jagman! You are more qualified than most civilians but your education and experience threatens the hiring manager. Its ridiculous that you cant even get a job with the feds!

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California said: Yes....try volunteering at an organization that you want to work with. If you want to work at the VA, Naval Hospital, Base Legal, or wherever....I'm sure they need volunteers and it will give you a chance to meet people and know when opening come up. It's called networking. It worked for me, after trying for off and on for 7 years, I started volunteering and got a job in 6 weeks. Oh yeah...before people complain about it's who you know...I'm a 80%, 12 year Vet.

Jarhead, many friends of mine did the same thing. They are retired. When they networked and applied for jobs they were told, "Well, arent you getting a paycheck??" As if to say just because they are retired - they dont deserve a job!

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

Brehus in Kingwood, Texas said: I worked on a military instillation for over 9 years as a civilian and I must say while I was there I seen a lot of questionable hiring going on. Lets just that the friends and family first plan was in full effect it seemed like many of the Jobs were filled by Vets it was just filled with Vets who had a job lined up before they but they got out of the service. It was the ones that didn’t have a job lined up before they got out of the service that seemed to have a hard time landing a job.

Do you want to know how they work their magic to get their friends and family hired?
They make sure that the person’s resume that they want to get the job matches the job description perfectly before they turn the job description into the hiring agency for posting. They do this to make sure their buddy gets through the filter and get referred. Once their buddy gets referred they continue to work their magic to get their buddy hired.
If for some reason their buddy gets beat out they will simple close the job and not hire anybody and recreate the job again and hope that the person who beat out their buddy doesn’t apply again.

Government Contract jobs were even worse many of those jobs never got posted anywhere and the only person who hears about the job was person they wanted to get the job.

I was in an ACAP classroom before doing some work and I did over hear the ACAP instructor telling the people getting out of the service that a lot of the jobs are rigged. Yea even the ACAP people know that it is rigged.

I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THIS IS FACT!!! SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

105 months ago

TheHrTruth,

Thank you for your posting. It's a shame that you get penalized for having an education. I was always told growing up that if you get an education you'll get a good job, well, I did my 15 years in the Navy, played by the rules, got all of my education by busting my tail and only get 2 hours of sleep a night, 7 days a week for 5 years straight, so what happens when I get out of the Navy? I hear from HR Chiefs that I'm too educated for a federal job, what kind of crap is that?

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California said: Networking isn't "Ass Kissing" it's something that is practiced in all fields of employment, civilian and goverment. While I can appreciate the fact that you have served your country, sustained injuries (or at least recieved a disability rating), and have an education; you need to realized that YOU are not the only person out there with qualifications. Perhaps you have spent too much time in a classroom. I also might add that from the tone of your comments, you seem to have a real sense of entitlement which may be coming across when/if you get an interview. I'm not intending to insult you, just trying to provide a little perspective.

Jarhead, Id like to share my perspective with you; if I may. Before I do let me express to you that I am certified in human resources for over 10 years. I believe the tones come from frustration from a lack of fairness. I know for a fact that hiring managers are selective and often "unfair". THEY have a sense of privledge that causes them to believe they know "who" should get a job. That being said, most vets are trained to self-improve, follow rules, and become competitive. Would you happen to know how it feels to serve with honor and integrity..........and sense of preparedness for something; only to learn that people in power are doing everything "BUT" that! Here is what happens:

1.) Hiring managers already know if they want a vet or not
2.) They review certification lists as if there are too many vets on it.....
they DONT USE IT.
3.) Most hiring managers in fed service have a sense of privledge that
suggest that ANYONE entering the fed service need to start at a
certain level......regardless of education.
4.) I personally know hiring managers that have asked me, "Why does a vet
want to come in here at a 12 level?"

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

TheHrTruth in Atlanta, Georgia said: Jarhead, Id like to share my perspective with you; if I may. Before I do let me express to you that I am certified in human resources for over 10 years.

5.) They sit on cert lists hoping the vet will forget about the job. If the
vet pushes the issue; they simply DO NOT fill the position and "cite"
budget issues.

6.) Think Im joking? Here is an example of discrimination against vets. At the Atlanta Regional Vet Office on Clairmont Road....they hired 23 vets with excellent service, masters degrees, law degrees, and more experience than half of all the entire educational department. These are the same vets that have been trying for years to get a job but the Executive Order made them hire them. So what they do? Hire them temporary using the ARRA funds but using the Vets to catch up their "back log" of work. These vets are SMOKING the work and completing it with high efficency and wayy ahead of schedule but some of them are applying for permanent jobs. No answer or opportunity....and they are WORKING there.

Before you judge the vets and assume they need to fix this or that, network, or may possess a sense of entitlement.............there is hard evidence of discrimination. This was said to me, "Why should I give a vet a gs-12 position regardless of degrees or experience when they are retired and give free benefits. Hell, they are making more than me???

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

There is no such thing as "too educated". Thats code for, "You aint getting a job here? Your Master's degree is threatening to many people who have been complacent in here for years. If I hire you, I cannot take the risk to my working environment if you advance up faster than the folks that have been sitting here................but never "self-improved".

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

105 months ago

TheHrTruth,

I understand what your saying, but legalally this is not right. Why doesn't the federal government get smart and simply implement a program that would place those veterans transitioning out of the military into federal positions and if they don't work out after their 90 probation, then do all of the illegal hiring practices.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: TheHrTruth,

I understand what your saying, but legalally this is not right. Why doesn't the federal government get smart and simply implement a program that would place those veterans transitioning out of the military into federal positions and if they don't work out after their 90 probation, then do all of the illegal hiring practices.

Because that would be "discriminatory" against non-veterans..............which is NOT the answer either. There is only ONE solution. There must be OVERSIGHT over the hiring managers. They need to oversee the process, review certification lists, and all applicants.........who were rated with bias and left off the cert list. My only argument is.............hire the BEST qualified! Dont use personal predujice or preconcieved ideas to help make a decision. Or circuvention techniques when VETS are clearly more qualifed then their desired choice! Honor the education VETS have earned and their experience......

Also honor the coporate civilian with experience!!!

Jagman, Ive seen a hiring manager who failed to legally get around a cert list where the top three applicants on the list were VETS with masters and doctorate level education. So, the hiring manager didnt fill the position and closed it. Than, the hiring manager called an old friend who actually worked in the fed system and performed in the role years ago. Invited this ole friend to take a pay grade demotion (one level down) in a higher locality pay area - just to come back to Atlanta. Reposted the job 90 days later so his friend's application would hit the cert list and gave his friend the job! All the while vets who went to school and only want to take care of thier family are suffering!!

Now all agencies are doing this...........but many do!

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

Jagman, what is your disability rating?

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

105 months ago

TheHrTruth,

I believe what your saying. I was trying to get a job in the VA in Western Pennsylvania in the HR field and I experienced a female HR Chief tell me that I would never get a job in HR even though I have a masters degree because I don't wear a skirt, talk about discrimination and you complain and contact your senators like I did in here in Pennsylvania and all the VA does is cover their tracks and say they did everything correct. I submitted a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request to attain records to review their hiring practices and they said they couldn't release that information, which is absurd because I know they can because I worked with FOIA for over 15 years in the Navy.

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

105 months ago

TheHrTruth,

My disability rating is 80%, why? I have been unemployed since May 2009.

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jarhead93 in Fallbrook, California

105 months ago

Well....Yes I do know what is like to serve (12 years USMC, med retired 90% disability). And, yes I do value an education (BS degree), work ethic, integrity, and all the other qualities that made us good citizens and military men and women.
There's an old saying "If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem" If you sat around and tolerated others in the HR department behaving as you stated in your previous comments to me then, in my opinion, you have no room to complain. If you saw an injustice, you had an obligation to stand up against it....and please don't feed me the "There was nothing I could do" crap. Every person has a voice, and as a HR representative/worker you were in a better position than the rest of us. I guess you don't like the sting now that you are on the other side.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: TheHrTruth,

My disability rating is 80%, why? I have been unemployed since May 2009.

Something doesnt make sense. You are a vet with a disability of 80% and you have two masters degree. Are you familiar with the VETGUIDE? Its here: www.opm.gov/StaffingPortal/vetguide.asp

You are considered a 10-point vet (CPS). However, because of the rule of three, they can pass you over with ANY preference VET (5 or 10 pointer) as long as they are ranked in the top three with you. Are you including your conpensation letter and SF-15 with EVERY application? Make sure you tell them.....you are seeking the VRA Appointment and Veterans Preference.

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jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania

105 months ago

TheHrTruth,

I sure am and I'm very familiar with the reference you provided. Everytime I interview for a position that always say "You interviewed extremely well and your provide a top notch writing sample", but I never get a job offer.

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sdgal in South Dakota

105 months ago

I started in Food Service at 3 hours a day 5 days and moved up from there to tool and parts attendant in the engineering dept and then back to food service, I know it is tough to swallow and humbling but it might be your only recourse to get "into the system" I have a AS and BS in communications and have a disability rating but not military connected, the state gave it to me because I was injured while at the VA and anyway, I have my 3 years in and qualified to just about everything under the sun but I can not get a interview with the feds. I am thinking that the good Lord has other plans for me and maybe he has other plans for you too. Don't beat yourself up over it, channel it somewhere else. I know I have been too "needy" in interviews and that is my down fall, especially when I KNOW I can do the job and would be great at it.
I have put in for 40 jobs since mid Oct, I keep track of them on a spreadsheet, when it comes open and when it closes and if I get a interview. When I have gotten interviews there have been 60-70 applicants for one position they tell me and I was in the top 10 percent. I was even told I had the best packet out of 64 but I never got hired. Try a different branch of the Fed System
Hang in there, God Bless all you VETS, we would not be able to do this with out you.

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thehrtruth in Atlanta, Georgia

105 months ago

jagman298 in Red Lion, Pennsylvania said: TheHrTruth,

I sure am and I'm very familiar with the reference you provided. Everytime I interview for a position that always say "You interviewed extremely well and your provide a top notch writing sample", but I never get a job offer.

One or two things is happening. Either, they are deciding NOT to use the certification list and choosing another recruiting source (which is a crafty way to stop a vet from getting the job).............or they are selecting another preference vet to fill the job. The key for everyone to remember is that WE (VETS) dont follow up and look into things. There is the Office of Special Counsel, EEO and other avenues if a pattern of "prohibited practices" can be established.

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Brehus in Kingwood, Texas

105 months ago

I fully support Vets getting points over us non Vets because they deserve the points but non vets should stand a chance at getting some jobs. I personally think the biggest issue is the friends and family first plan needs to be exposed and fixed. The simple fact is the high rate at which federal jobs are rigged is what is hurting a lot of Vets and Non Vets. I have applied for a job before that had 4 openings I got a 100 rating which is max for a non vet and didn't get a single call. Considering how most of the jobs are rigged I really didn't expect to get a call. I have been referred for several jobs and have never been contacted.

Federal jobs are like the lottery you have to be in it to win it.
You have to try so you can have that less than 1/10th of 1 percent chance of getting a federal job.

Government contract jobs are also rigged many of these jobs never get posted. There are some of these Government contract companies that will actually look for resumes on Monster and CareerBuilder that fits a job opening and actually contract the person and ask if they want their resume submitted for the job. The person they are contacting generally doesn't stand a real chance of getting the job. It is just to make it look like several qualified people applied for the job and then someone's friend of Family member gets the job

These Contract Companies have no interest in doing things the right way. They typically hire the person the Government Rep wants them to because they are interested in winning the contract again when the next bid comes around. Trust me if these contract companies don’t do everything the Government reps wants them to do they won’t get another contract

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lonnirob in Colorado Springs, Colorado

104 months ago

I am upset by the thread. I spent 5 years trying for a custodian job at a school district before i actually got one. Now I was hoping the federal govrenmnet isnt as bad it sounds worse. ugh

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sdgal in South Dakota

104 months ago

Could one of you federal HR folks please tell me what this means?

This refers to the application you recently submitted to this office. You have been rated best qualified and placed on the Promotion Certificate. Your next contact will be from the selecting official if they decide to interview.

because I got notification a week ago saying I wasn't qualified for competitive

now I am confused
Thanks

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