Employers -- How do you look at degrees from Devry, University of Phoenix, and other similar schools?

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Heather in Coppell, Texas

75 months ago

Hoapres, I had this same exact question. Will my credits transfer to another university if I wanted to do a B.S. in HIM? I called University of Cincinnati and spoke to an admissions advisor/rep. To get into their program you need to have an associates degree in HIT. It does not matter where as long as it is CAHIIM accredited. They will accept all of your classes, for profit or not.

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Debbie in Branford, Connecticut

75 months ago

I think a lot of people get their AAS from schools like DeVry then when they get a job in their field they continue on their education with other schools for their BA. A lot of companies offer tuition reimbursement only for the field they are employed in so this helps solve a big dilemma for people that need the tuition assistance. This allows them to have a better paying job and still continue their education.

I actually had to interview several people so far that have HIT/HIM careers in the field and the president of the NJHIMA was a lady that started her career later in life as well. She went to a CC but when she got out with her AAS she started in the file room at a big well known hospital. She worked hard and moved up the ladder and look where she is now. But hence she still had to start at the bottom even though she went to a brick and mortar school. I also interviewed the Coordinator for Audit and Quality Monitoring and oversees the manager for the release of information department and neither of them not once made me feel my education or I was ever inferior because I was attending DeVry. You will always see "education snobs” that feel their degree is better no matter even if you got it at a brick and mortar school. But trust me there are people out there that are in positions were you want to work that understand that people come from all walks of life and education and might have had to obtain their degrees later in life like so many people are. They also know how hard it is to attend classes while holding down and job and family and see people that are willing to do that to education people that are hard workers and can balance workloads successfully. If you are working a full-time job, raising a family and still don’t care if it takes you 4 years or more to get AA,S then that is great. The HIT/HIM online programs whether DeVry or online CC’s have to be CAHIMA approved, which means either program has to pass the same standards.

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Bean counter in San Jose, California

75 months ago

It's very sad but read many of these bad schools' graduates actually decided to omit their graduate degree on their resume due to the prevalent discrimination from employers. I remember the first time (20+ years ago) I actually heard about UoP was when an engineering manager commented to me that how embarrassing it was to have only 1 degree and that's from UoP! Subsequently I heard and read so much negative and horrible experience the students suffered after obtaining their only degree and graduate degree -- that not only they couldn't compete in the job market but got stuck with the stigma and student loan.

I completely understand the employers' negative view of these type of schools -- poor quality on both the schools and students who are perceived as lazy .... just want a quickie diploma which is really equivalent to one that you can buy online for a small fee. My colleague is a instructor at UoP and honestly, she's a joke in our dept and it's pathetic she's allowed to teach the same subject matter that she clearly is not qualified for....

UoP's aggressive and harmful recruiting (student) tactics is well publicized, they know the slim job prospects for their graduates and their questionable ability to pay off their loans -- which resulted in taxpayers forking over our hard-earned money to enrich UoP executives.

I was 40, divorced with a child and worked full time when I graduated from california state, I could have grab my degree from UoP but my common sense would not allow me to even consider it for one second. It took me 8 years but I sure glad I did it the legit way.

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Tracy B in Malvern, Ohio

57 months ago

Debbie in Madison, Connecticut said: Employers -- How do you look at degrees from Devry, University of Phoenix, and other similar schools? I am wondering how employers look at these online schools verses a degree from a brick and mortar school, community college , or four-year college? I want to get my AAS in Health Information Technology and am torn between a community college's online program versus Devry.

Debbie


Debbie I graduated with my Associates in Health Information Technology from DeVry in March 2013, my school loans came to an outstanding 41,000 dollars, and that was wihout taking the certification from AHIMA. The good thing is Devry pays for your first exam through AHIMA.Secondly, I haven't been able to find a job in my field in Ohio. All jobs for Medical Billing and Coding require the certification and a BA in Health Information Technology. Good luck. I start classes again this Fall for a BA in HIT Administration, and it will cost another 47,000 dollars. Seems like 88,000 dollars is alot for only making 32,000 dollars a year before taxes??

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Johnny Bulky in Phoenix, Arizona

42 months ago

II would like to offer readers the benefit of having over 10 years-experience with Online education as an Instructor and Course Designer. Anyone who wants to challenge my comments, please have the guts to tell us your credentials prior to making your challenge.
Let me be blunt, do not, I say again do not attend any for profit school (online or on campus). As more and more traditional Colleges and Universities develop Online programs, there are many, many options for people who can only attend college online. I have heard scores of stories from my own former students who could not get a job in their chosen field because they attended a “for profit” College/University. Some of the "for profits" are in real trouble with the Government and a number are in danger of losing both their accreditation as well as their access to student loan programs. There are many, many problems with the “for profits”; chief among these is getting employers to consider them “real schools”. For example, one of the largest "for profits" is infamous for continuing to pull money out of student loan accounts after students have withdrawn from their school. The end-result is the student incurs more debt for classes they never took. Check postings on the internet BEFORE you even contact the school. The "for profits" are no longer about education, they are about revenue generation. They donate MASSIVE amounts of money to political causes and that's why the industry has not been policed better. Look at their graduation rates too...if it is below 65 %, don't even bother with them. Here's is very simple way to determine if an Online school is legit and attending will help your career; find out if their students take exams. Exams are the single most important method to measure learning and if a school does not give students exams, despite any of their claims, it is almost impossible to measure if real learning has take place...employers know this fact and your resume will be tossed out.

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joey66215 in Gulfport, Mississippi

36 months ago

Ryan in Friendswood, Texas said: Stay away from the for profits like DeVry, ITT, Herzing, WGU. All these folks want is your $ and do not care about quality of education . There are cc going to total online programs. Check www.CAHIIM.org in your state and select yes for distance education.

Folks tell me what school is not for profit? Go in and ask to take a free class.. Every school wants money.. You have schools that are subsidized by the state/city and or county governments then they also get Title IV funding or students pay out. Private schools - Get funding from Title IV or out of pocket cost.
This whole "for profits" thing is silly.

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RHIA in Saint Petersburg, Florida

36 months ago

Ryan in Friendswood, Texas said: Stay away from the for profits like DeVry, ITT, Herzing, WGU. All these folks want is your $ and do not care about quality of education . There are cc going to total online programs. Check www.CAHIIM.org in your state and select yes for distance education.

Western Governors University (WGU) is not a "for profit" university like the others you listed.

It is, in fact, a highly respected school. Their RHIA in health information management/health informatics is one of the best in the country. It is regionally and CAHIIM accredited to teach an RHIA program. Their graduates have a 100% pass rate on the RHIA exam and also graduate with an AHIMA coding certification and a number of Microsoft computer programming certifications.

It is very low cost and can be completed in less time than a bachelor's at other universities because it is self-paced.

The only negative is that they do not accept everyone and you have to actually learn all the material, because they are competency-based. It is a lot more work than at most colleges, but that is why their graduates pass the RHIA. They get great jobs in informatics, data analytics, and other new HIM fields, too.

(Just fyi, the pass rate on the RHIA for graduates of other colleges is less than 50%. WGU is 100%.)

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xboxer in Cactus, Arizona

36 months ago

joey66215 in Gulfport, Mississippi said: Folks tell me what school is not for profit? Go in and ask to take a free class.. Every school wants money.. You have schools that are subsidized by the state/ city and or county governments then they also get Title IV funding or students pay out. Private schools - Get funding from Title IV or out of pocket cost.
This whole "for profits" thing is silly.

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I agree.
They just want you to think they don't get anything out of pushing you into an already-saturated field.

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Decemberist in Killeen, Texas

35 months ago

Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

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RHIA in Saint Petersburg, Florida

35 months ago

You could consider the RHIA in Informatics from Western Governors University. It would only take you about 2-1/2 years and 10 or 12k. It is not a diploma mill or for-profit. Their pass rate on the RHIA is 100%, I think. You could then get a remote job in coding.

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Cosmogal in Leesburg, Florida

31 months ago

Bean counter in San Jose, California said: Stay away from these schools, for a long time now, employers despise them, many companies refuse to include them in their education reimbursement program... one VP of my brother's company once angrily commented "why are we getting all these resumes from applicants with U of Phoenix degree?!?"

Their nasty recruiting tactics resulted in the wasting taxpayers' money -- because many of their students defaulted on their student loans and we, the taxpayers end up paying... while the filthy rich founder of U. of Phoenix and his son bought mansions in Malibu...

You cannot default on students loans! You cannot even put them in bankruptcy! If they are government backed student loans they are not allowed in bankruptcy and they will apply liens on homes, bank accts and take any tax return where there is a refund.

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Christine in Sumter, South Carolina

25 months ago

I am a working person and find it very hard to get a quality education in the traditional non-profit school as they require in school testing at unreasonable hours. I also have been very challenged by Keller School of Management with my online courses. I am definitely not a lazy person in the least. I always give a 150%, therefore I think employers will look at this as a positive thing that I am trying to improve myself professionally and personally.

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leah in Las Vegas, Nevada

22 months ago

Tracy B in Malvern, Ohio said: Debbie I graduated with my Associates in Health Information Technology from DeVry in March 2013, my school loans came to an outstanding 41,000 dollars, and that was wihout taking the certification from AHIMA. The good thing is Devry pays for your first exam through AHIMA.Secondly, I haven't been able to find a job in my field in Ohio. All jobs for Medical Billing and Coding require the certification and a BA in Health Information Technology. Good luck. I start classes again this Fall for a BA in HIT Administration , and it will cost another 47,000 dollars. Seems like 88,000 dollars is alot for only making 32,000 dollars a year before taxes??

If you graduate with a BA and are still only making 32k then something is wrong. I have seen jobs offering way more then that.

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rstargazer in Lake Villa, Illinois

22 months ago

AMEN!!!

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rstargazer in Lake Villa, Illinois

22 months ago

All schools want money!!! Devry doesn't just let anyone in!

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msdoppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

22 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

Please be extremely careful. For-profits specifically take advantage of working adults or those who face logistical challenges in attending traditional, non-profit higher education. I've heard stories of fly by night tech and vocational for-profits absconding with grant and student's money. Students are left to find a note on the door saying the school is closed when they arrive for class. Also, if for some reason you ever need to transfer to another school or want to earn a post grad degree, a lot of regionally accredited schools will not accept transfer credits from nationally accredited for-profits.

Since it seems that you're specifically interested in a Bachelor's, more regionally accredited, non-profit colleges and universities are adding online programs. Check to see if any of the state/public schools in TX have online programs so that you can take advantage of in-state tuition.

Hope this point you in the right general direction at the least and best of luck

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GabbyGary in Yorktown Heights, New York

18 months ago

Divorce?

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GabbyGary in Yorktown Heights, New York

18 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

Divorce?

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Hughes in Yorktown Heights, New York

18 months ago

I knew an accounting "professor" who taught (or, perhaps, still teaches) at a diploma mill college in the Bronx. I noticed he was visibly agitated one day and I asked what was wrong. He angrily explained that the feds wanted to withhold future eligibility to student aid funding money being funneled to his "school" until it was demonstrated to their satisfaction that the school's graduating students had a reasonable shot at gainful employment that would enable them to re-pay their debt to society.

He said it was gonna cost his institution millions.

I said, "So, they're gonna invest in raising the school's standards?"

His reply, "No, the millions of dollars will be directed towards lobbying to discourage the new mandate's enactment."

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Ecw in Tampa, Florida

18 months ago

leah in Las Vegas, Nevada said: If you graduate with a BA and are still only making 32k then something is wrong. I have seen jobs offering way more then that.

Just curious, what state do you live in? What jobs are you referring to? Of course there are jobs that pay more than that.It doesn't mean there are enough of them. The job field also plays a huge factor on the salary. Unfortunately this is not a one size fits all scenario.The median income in the US is less than 60,000. Millions of people make less than 60,000 dollars a year. Yes, something is wrong.

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sfbmod in Waco, Texas

18 months ago

As a technology expert with over 20 years of experience and being a student of both public and private schools, I could not disagree with this assessment more.

I found public schools are unfortunately very behind the technology curve compared with private industry, and can provide many details if asked.

During my frustrations with having to bring my public school professors up-to-speed with current technology standards, I naturally looked for better schools. I was actually surprised to learn that one of the most respected and knowledgeable engineers at one of my places of employment had been a DeVry University graduate. I began researching and asking questions about this school around 2007 with as many professionals as I could, including our chief HR Executive about her opinions of schools such as DeVry. I'll never forget her immediate response, "If a company rejects a resume because an applicant went to a private school such as DeVry, that's probably not a very good company to work for." And I was sold.

I graduated from DeVry in 2011. Every professor I had was not only very knowledgeable but were also very accomplished in their given fields of study. My IT Infrastructure professor for example was the chief IT Administrator of the Kennedy Space Center, working part time as an adjunct professor for DeVry university. The professor for one of my first introductory classes for my degree had retired from NASA with over 40 years of experience. I could provide other examples.

I've been a coder all my life, first teaching myself BASIC as a 10 year old in the 1980s. The professors at DeVry make you work for your grade. I've had friends whom I tried to help through several classes whom could not keep up, and had to take failing grades despite every effort I and our professors could provide. I always read comments with great skepticism when I hear how DeVry professors allegedly "give the answers to tests away."

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sean2339 in Tucson, Arizona

13 months ago

msdoppelganger in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: Please be extremely careful. For-profits specifically take advantage of working adults or those who face logistical challenges in attending traditional, non-profit higher education . I've heard stories of fly by night tech and vocational for-profits absconding with grant and student's money. Students are left to find a note on the door saying the school is closed when they arrive for class. Also, if for some reason you ever need to transfer to another school or want to earn a post grad degree, a lot of regionally accredited schools will not accept transfer credits from nationally accredited for-profits.

Since it seems that you're specifically interested in a Bachelor's, more regionally accredited, non-profit colleges and universities are adding online programs. Check to see if any of the state/public schools in TX have online programs so that you can take advantage of in-state tuition.

Hope this point you in the right general direction at the least and best of luck

Your wording is very problematic. For profit vs non-profit vs governmental are tax statuses that have no impact the accreditation. The University of Phoenix is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission, the same commission that accredits The University of Arizona and the University of Chicago. My friend who has a undergrad from the U of P was accepted into a Harvard graduate program and has since graduated with a Master's in IT from the University of Boston, which was ranked #1 in IT when he went there. He is now director of IT at an aerospace/defense company. Also, most online public schools are unstructured afterthoughts. It may look better to an employer, but your education will suffer. If you actually want to learn the subject online, you should favor a college that has an emphasis on online education if you care about learning.

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yftrght6r in San Francisco, California

13 months ago

In general for-profit schools, units do not transfer to other universities, and they state that in thier advertisement. ALso they have highly aggrssive recruiting tactics, and is even more expensive than traditional schooling as well. Most employees will disregard for-profit diplomas anyways. becauase you payed for such an "Easy education"

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Vince

10 months ago

yftrght6r in San Francisco, California said: In general for-profit schools, units do not transfer to other universities, and they state that in thier advertisement. ALso they have highly aggrssive recruiting tactics, and is even more expensive than traditional schooling as well. Most employees will disregard for-profit diplomas anyways. becauase you payed for such an "Easy education "

Nonsense! I have a BS from UOP and I can go to any college I want for a graduates degree. If your talking about individual classes applying via student transfer, you are corrrct, but only partially. You run into challenges getting units to transfer between any college. The class description and class name really need to be on the money. Even public universities are income driven, they don't want to take your transfer coursework, no money in it for them. I transferred 3 public universities before UOP, at every point, multiple classes needed to be retaken.

UOP is not the joke degree mill people see it as. The only place they fall short is job placement. Absolutely abysmal. They basically give you a link to monster.com and tell you to kick rocks. That is the only knock.

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Grad School in Florida

10 months ago

Vince said: Nonsense! I have a BS from UOP and I can go to any college I want for a graduates degree. .

That is not completely correct. You may think that you can go to any graduate school you want with that degree, but you would be in for a surprise. You will end up being stuck with more for-profit schools. There's a remote possibility that some state schools might take you, but more reputable graduate schools will not take you with a degree from a for-profit university. They evaluate you on the basis of your GRE or other test scores, as well as on the rigor of the undergraduate work that you completed. For-profit colleges are not considered rigorous because they aren't. They are lightweight. They have to be easier or they would have to throw out too many students and lose money. If you have only gone to a for-profit college, you will not be able to recognize that because you have never been to a better university.

There is another problem with attending universities like that. Every time they go out of business, your degree instantly becomes even more worthless. When you can no longer get transcripts you can't further your education. No graduate school will take you if you can't get a transcript from your former university.

The only people who will hire someone to degree like that are people who already have that same kind of degree. You might not realize this, but that is a major factor in unemployment.

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Ecw in Tampa, Florida

10 months ago

Does it really matter, everyone is poor.

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Joel in Austin, Texas

10 months ago

Please do not give people with these sorts of opinions much credence. For profit school degrees are not only accepted by every major company and government positions, but are often preferred by most high technology fields. All schools, especially public, need profit to grow their business, attract the best teachers, and continue to compete for students. Schools like DeVry specifically seek teachers who are active professionals in their fields to offer the best real world education and experiences available. It's also why most private school students are more mature adults with work experience and do not gain much from professors who have never held real jobs or maintained any kind of career outside of academia.

I was able to get into the high tech nanotech and microchip industry after gaining good experience in a technical military background. I started to gain an engineering degree at the best public school in my area, but found my course work and professors' knowledge were around 10 years behind what we were working in the industry. They appreciated me bringing real world knowledge to class, allowing me to help teach and work on school R&D projects. I talked to a lead engineer at work about other schools who said he went to DeVry in the 80s. I talked with my HR VP about her thoughts on for profit schools who said any employer who did not like those types of schools are probably not worth working for.

I went to DeVry for a software degree to balance my hardware background. I was hired by RDECOM during my Senior project class, before graduating. I had a low point in my career after losing a child and moving to CA. I work for SpaceX today, going back to Keller for my masters.

If Elon Musk likes to hire people from for profit schools, there's no honest reasons any employer wont.

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Trying to Help in Detroit, Michigan

10 months ago

Frankly, I don't care what school someone got their degree from. I don't even care if they have a degree (unless it's a professional position). The only thing I care about is that they actually took the courses and didn't just buy the degree. After that, I don't care. For profit, non-profit, really doesn't matter.

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Lexsir in Atlanta, Georgia

10 months ago

When I was in high school my electricity teacher would always boast about one of his former students who went to Devry and how he had this great job. He always advised me to look into it. I took the traditional route and went to college, but later transferring to Devry after wasting about 3 years. My first day at Devry, the instructor told our class that if you did well, companies from California would come and fly you out for interviews. I was like, yeah..right...you guys just want my money. Fast forward 3yrs later as I was in my last trimester before graduating with a BS in EET, Varian Associates comes to campus, fly a few of out for second interviews. I was hired before graduation. Coming from a small rural town in SC, that was the beginning of my life and perspective changing. After I got into the High Tech arena, I started meeting all of these other people in the industry who had graduated from Devry from around the country. I remember thinking how there was this stigma about going to Devry as compared to a traditional college or University. I felt like it was a big secret, and most people bought into the traditional educational way. While my friends were graduating from college with no job offers, I was already hired and ready to go out the gate. Getting a job that soon had already given me a substantial head start... Don't believe the tribe. Talk to people who have done it and see where they are at in their careers.

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Former-Army-Wife in Colorado Springs, Colorado

9 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

This type of negative attitude is why military spouses get a bad rap. The lack of ability to think outside of the box and be a problem solver is the likely reason most can't find decent jobs. It has nothing to do with being a military spouse. I was married at 20 to someone in the military (and E-3, not officer) and moved to Deridder, LA (Ft. Polk). I lived in GA prior and starting looking for a job a month before the wedding. I had a job as a store manager before even arriving in the state. At 23, we were transferred to Hopkinsville, KY (Ft. Campbell) and I had a job in an engineering firm the day after we arrived. Yes, I obtained it through a temp agency as that's the best way to show what you can do. They had no idea I was married or was associated with the military in any way since marital status and the job of my husband was irrelevant. After 6 months, they hired me permanently and even paid my tuition to get an engineering degree. The hubs volunteered for 2 years in Germany so that we could extend our stay at Ft. Campbell and I could finish up while he was overseas. It can be done, but if one decides early on that their only options are cashier and waitress, then that's about as far as they'll get.

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Former-Army-Wife in Colorado Springs, Colorado

9 months ago

yftrght6r in San Francisco, California said: In general for-profit schools, units do not transfer to other universities, and they state that in thier advertisement. ALso they have highly aggrssive recruiting tactics, and is even more expensive than traditional schooling as well. Most employees will disregard for-profit diplomas anyways. becauase you payed for such an "Easy education "

This is true. The firm I work for will not hire anybody with this type of degree. They are viewed more as something that was purchased and not earned.

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Former Military in Saint Petersburg, Florida

9 months ago

Decemberist in Killeen, Texas said: Bean Counter -

What is your suggestion to a military spouse who is only able to find a job they are grossly overqualified for due to the fact their partner is stationed in an city where you only find an abundance of strip clubs, pawn shops, tattoo parlors and chain restaurants? There is a community college here, but how do you obtain a Bachelor's degree without an online school? I only ask as you seem to morally and educationally superior to the so-called lazy students who lack common sense. How should one go about spending 8 years on a 4 year degree when they move every 2 years?

If you are not working, it will not take 8 years to earn a 4-year degree. You should be able to do it in about 3, possibly less, at Western Governors University, which is fully online, very reputable, remarkably inexpensive, and definitely not a for-profit. There are many other fully online programs at state universities. They don't care how often you move and neither should you.

As for refusing to work in chain restaurants because you are grossy overqualified . . . that sad attitude will hold you back more than anything else.

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sfeff in San Francisco, California

9 months ago

Former-Army-Wife in Colorado Springs, Colorado said: This is true. The firm I work for will not hire anybody with this type of degree. They are viewed more as something that was purchased and not earned.

wierd my posts arent going through, yea employers shouldnt choose people who basically just bought thier diplomas online over someone who spent 4 years getting a degree. For-profit instituitions wouldnt transfer credits over to non-profit anyways, so theres red-flags there already. So this means the courses itself are not equivalent, or comprehensive as a brick and mortar school, and i read around that the course is so easy to the point you dont even need to go over material.

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TashaDanielle in Illinois

8 months ago

Which school would be better to attend, Kaplan University or Devry University?

Have anyone every heard of Ultimate Medical Academy?

Thanks

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Alexander in Covington, Georgia

8 months ago

Vince said: Nonsense! I have a BS from UOP and I can go to any college I want for a graduates degree. If your talking about individual classes applying via student transfer, you are corrrct, but only partially. You run into challenges getting units to transfer between any college. The class description and class name really need to be on the money. Even public universities are income driven, they don't want to take your transfer coursework, no money in it for them. I transferred 3 public universities before UOP, at every point, multiple classes needed to be retaken.

UOP is not the joke degree mill people see it as. The only place they fall short is job placement. Absolutely abysmal. They basically give you a link to monster.com and tell you to kick rocks. That is the only knock.

I'm not at all sure the "any graduate school at all" thing is even close to accurate. Most reputable schools, if not all of them, will want regional accreditation for the undergraduate degree, plus acceptable GRE scores.

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NO-UOP in San Francisco, California

8 months ago

Alexander in Covington, Georgia said: I'm not at all sure the "any graduate school at all" thing is even close to accurate. Most reputable schools, if not all of them, will want regional accreditation for the undergraduate degree, plus acceptable GRE scores.

I suspect he is promoting for the for-profit school. Its already been investigating many times that schools like these fudge thier results, or encourage illegal activities to get a diploma from these schools. For-profit will never be considered for graduate studies, Since you wouldnt even have any undergrad experience, and the classes itselfs are a joke. There were "nurses or Nurses assitant" that graduated from these schools, and they wernt even considered actual nurses because they did none of the clinical experience.

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Hayden in Valley View, Texas

7 months ago

GabbyGary in Yorktown Heights, New York said: Divorce?

Lol.

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Hayden in Valley View, Texas

7 months ago

sean2339 in Tucson, Arizona said: Your wording is very problematic. For profit vs non-profit vs governmental are tax statuses that have no impact the accreditation. The University of Phoenix is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission, the same commission that accredits The University of Arizona and the University of Chicago. My friend who has a undergrad from the U of P was accepted into a Harvard graduate program and has since graduated with a Master's in IT from the University of Boston, which was ranked #1 in IT when he went there. He is now director of IT at an aerospace /defense company. Also, most online public schools are unstructured afterthoughts. It may look better to an employer, but your education will suffer. If you actually want to learn the subject online, you should favor a college that has an emphasis on online education if you care about learning.

"... It may look better to an employee, but your education will suffer. " Is the subject you are pertaining to mill degrees or a university? I hope you common sense says it is not the latter. Your "friend" Was accepted into Harvard's graduate program for what? Then says who likes Harvard,
I'm going to UoB? With a undergraduate from UoA? To be fair UoA is not as bad as Devry and UoP. I can see it being more likely for transfer credits from UoA.

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davidcraddock in Blackwood, New Jersey

4 months ago

First thought this was supposed to be an EMPLOYER based response which does not seem to be the case.
Second i would bet over 75% of the responses on this were actually from traditional college/university marketing departments trying to bad mouth the competition.
Third Higher Education and schooling in general is probably the third largest money makeing business in this country behind insurance companies and big pharma, let that sink in.

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Dude in Chino Valley, Arizona

4 months ago

Grad School in Florida said: That is not completely correct. You may think that you can go to any graduate school you want with that degree, but you would be in for a surprise. You will end up being stuck with more for-profit

People like to put the UOP down because they see it as taken the easy way out. I've talked to professors and educators from for profit schools and public schools. All say the same thing, good points and bad points. UoP students learn how to research and write many papers, Public schools take exams to measure how much you learned. Ive taken many exams in my days, and a week later could not remember what was on those exams, (data dump) as we call it in the military. UoP has great experienced instructors, most of them having over 30 years in the field they are teaching, and are very successful in the field they teach. Whereas, Ive met instructors from ASU who only have education. Which would you prefer? My sister got a degree from IUK and her first job was making 16,000 a year. Alot of it depends on the person, if you go to school just to get a grade and thats what you will get, but if you apply yourself and want to learn, you will. I got a bs from UOP, and I know I worked hard for it. Im sure it will pay off, now I might have to start at the bottom and work my way up. I have the skills to do it, Im confident in that. Another issue, when I was recruiter for military, most those kids that came in from public schools could not even pass a basic enlistment test for math and reading.Most kids that were homeschooled would blow those public school kids away on the test, as well as public college kids. Call any recruiting office and they will tell you the same thing. Public education from states are not the end all be all. They want money just like uop. Also, ASU was going to accept my UOP education.

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Dude in Chino Valley, Arizona

4 months ago

Johnny Bulky in Phoenix, Arizona said: II would like to offer readers the benefit of having over 10 years-experience with Online education as an Instructor and Course Designer . Anyone who wants to challenge my comments, please have the guts to tell us your credentials prior to making your challenge.
Let me be blunt, do not, I say again do not attend any for profit school (online or on campus). As more and more traditional Colleges and Universities develop Online programs, there are many, many options for people who can only a

LET ME BLUNT.
As a recruiter for the military I saw and experienced first hand the product of public education, and believe me half those we tested couldnt even pass a basic enlistment test. We are talking about people who went to public colleges as well. Most of the kids I tested that were homeschooled and private colleges would blow the kids from public education away. Now explain that Mr, if public education is so good. Call and ask any recruiter they will tell you the same thing. I tested young adults daily, at the high schools, and the colleges. If we got one that passed, man it was like we won the lottery. There is your public education that you speak highly of. The military rates education as teir 1 thrue 3, being teir 1 is public brick and morter. Teir 1 public education better start with teaching students how to read so they can pass a basic enlistment test for the military.

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Barb24 in Wheaton, Illinois

3 months ago

If you're looking for a career in medical coding, the most important thing employers will look for on your resume is a credential from AHIMA or the AAPC. They don't care about your schooling as much as just finding candidates who can get a CPC or CCS credential.
If you don't have tens of thousands of dollars and 2-4 years to complete a degree, you can still get your credential in medical coding. There are some educational requirements but they can be completed with a certificate.
Career Step's program can be completed with 6 months of full time study, but they give you access to the materials for a year for people who can't study full-time. It's completely self-paced so you can work while you study and finish the program without incurring debt.
Career Step's medical coding curriculum is one of the few completely online programs to be AHIMA approved and was written by two top AHIMA consultants.
It's a great program if you don't have time and money for a degree or if you already have one and are ready for a career change.
They also have 2 tuition payment options, and they often have tuition discounts for students who pay in full. Right now you can get $400 off your tuition. Plus it includes a voucher to take one certification exam and a year of graduate placement assistance:
referral.careerstep.com/mc?ref=36530

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davidcraddock in Blackwood, New Jersey

3 months ago

NO-UOP in San Francisco, California said: I suspect he is promoting for the for-profit school. Its already been investigating many times that schools like these fudge thier results, or encourage illegal activities to get a diploma from these schools. For-profit will never be considered for graduate studies, Since you wouldnt even have any undergrad experience, and the classes itselfs are a joke. There were "nurses or Nurses assitant" that graduated from these schools, and they wernt even considered actual nurses because they did none of the clinical experience.

Are you for real?
All schools are for profit- if they charge a tuition and make money then they are "FOR PROFIT" I haven't found a school yet that does not charge tuition have you?

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Vincent in Carmichael, California

3 months ago

To be fair, for profit or non profit are two separate things. 1 takes the profits and puts them into someone’s pockets, the other takes the profits and reinvests in higher pay, infrastructure, etc. not saying 1 is inherently “better” than the other, just that they ARE different.

That said, the post you were commenting on is 100% wrong. I have a BS from UOP and I can get into any graduate program I want. If it’s highly competitive them maybe I need to have one hell of an essay and GMAT(etc) to beat out someone else with a traditional “not for profit” undergrad, but I can get in. I firmly believe that I am far better written and educated than the vast majority of undergrads I’ve met, but I think that has more to do with me, than it does my degree and where it came from. I have an AA from (gasp) a community college, and I strongly believe that learning the fundamentals from a brick and mortar with a real live professor gave me a significant advantage over many of my UOP peers, many of whom couldn’t manage to compose a paragraph with proper grammar and punctuation. Then again, I went to a cal state Uni for a year and it wasn’t much different there.

As far as my job prospects with my degree, it’s a joke. I mine as well not have one at all. Does that have more to do with the name on my BS, or the degree in business itself? Can’t say for sure. A business degree from a traditional, run of the mill state college, is likely just as worthless.

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Jen in Banning, California

3 months ago

Vincent in Carmichael, California said: To be fair, for profit or non profit are two separate things. 1 takes the profits and puts them into someone’s pockets, the other takes the profits and reinvests in higher pay, infrastructure, etc. not saying 1 is inherently “better” than the other, just that they ARE different.

That said, the post you were commenting on is 100% wrong. I have a BS from UOP and I can get into any graduate program I want. If it’s highly competitive them maybe I need to have one hell of an essay and GMAT(etc) to beat out someone else with a traditional “not for profit” undergrad, but I can get in. I firmly believe that I am far better written and educated than the vast majority of undergrads I’ve met, but I think that has more to do with me, than it does my degree and where it came from. I have an AA from (gasp) a community college , and I strongly believe that learning the fundamentals from a brick and mortar with a real live professor gave me a significant advantage over many of my UOP peers, many of whom couldn’t manage to compose a paragraph with proper grammar and punctuation. Then again, I went to a cal state Uni for a year and it wasn’t much different there.

As far as my job prospects with my degree, it’s a joke. I mine as well not have one at all. Does that have more to do with the name on my BS, or the degree in business itself? Can’t say for sure. A business degree from a traditional, run of the mill state college, is likely just as worthless.

Great Response!!!
There is a real difference between profit and non-profit. It is a bit deeper than just thinking it is a business that generates revenue.
For all the inquiries on this board, it is about supply and demand. Employers and military alike will become more snooty when choosing candidates if job seekers are more than the amount of jobs available. For California, the market is flooded with job seekers that have degrees, even the brick and mortar ones.

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goodjob in Morgan Hill, California

1 month ago

You are not 100% correct either. I graduated from Devry with a EET and had no problem finding a job. Devry in Phoenix was a very well known and respected school in the late 90's. There were many large prestigious corporate company's recruiting from this location. After getting my first Job, I decided to go for my masters at UoP but ended up cutting it short for personal reasons. A few years later I decided that UoP was not the best choice and did more research to find that well known Universities were starting online Masters programs in Business and found North Eastern University which has the same accreditation as all other well known business accredited schools. I have never had an issue with promoting where I graduated and have had colleagues who've reach to high level positions with no problem. I have done well with my degree from DeVry and proud that I went this route. The program was not easy and we had to put in hours and hours of hard work with courses and labs. Anyone saying all for profit schools are scams are biased and have not done their full research.

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